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We're a long way from that. VW still had it right up until a few years ago. The iPad is cheaper for the manufacturer and allows easier changes between models.
I know but it doesn’t mean I have to like it! ;-)

I was in the Tesla SUV - the one with the rear full wing doors - as an Uber. It was a nice car/. I will never get used to the center stack approach. BMW did this with the Z8. I had a chance to buy one at an attractive price years ago and I didn’t because I could never get over that center stack instrumentation. Was a sacrilege to me, but I know the new car buyer is not where I am.
 
Atlas I had:
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Everything located like it was in VW last 30 years. Digital cluster, that provides all important info in front plus ability to move map there.
New Atlas:
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While it looks “cooler,” I dare you to adjust AC during night.

Arguments like: “everyone does it,” is like dumb and dumber. Who will “outdumb” other company.
VW and Audi do the best job of modern interiors that don’t offend me. Had an A6 wagon last time I was in Belgium for work. A lot of technology for me but the dash didn’t make me want to lose breakfast.
 
VW and Audi do the best job of modern interiors that don’t offend me. Had an A6 wagon last time I was in Belgium for work. A lot of technology for me but the dash didn’t make me want to lose breakfast.
Not sure with VW. They went all screen and climate zone controls are absolutely ridiculous in new Atlas. They still offer all in front etc.
they also had those haptic buttons, which was absolute disaster, and luckily VW listen and quickly pulled that out of production.
IMO, now Honda and Toyota have better ergonomics. Actually new Pilot went VW route, while VW decided to ditch what worked. Mostly bcs. cost cutting. That is all shebang with these screens.
 
Not sure with VW. They went all screen and climate zone controls are absolutely ridiculous in new Atlas. They still offer all in front etc.
they also had those haptic buttons, which was absolute disaster, and luckily VW listen and quickly pulled that out of production.
IMO, now Honda and Toyota have better ergonomics. Actually new Pilot went VW route, while VW decided to ditch what worked. Mostly bcs. cost cutting. That is all shebang with these screens.
I take your point. The Audi climate control was not intuitive for me, but I also try not to judge too harshly when I was on a plane the night before and not exactly well rested. But at least appearance wise they don’t have the big iPad. BMW went tht route and while I will always have an affinity for BMW- it was hard to look at. We had a different loaner wagon when we traveled last year for our anniversary. Nice car but the screen, while imparting a lot of information, left me kind of cold.

Hopefully VW goes back to what they have done traditionally with interiors, to your point. The new ones at least don’t look like varying sized jellybeans.

Have a good day folks.
 
I know but it doesn’t mean I have to like it! ;-)

I was in the Tesla SUV - the one with the rear full wing doors - as an Uber. It was a nice car/. I will never get used to the center stack approach. BMW did this with the Z8. I had a chance to buy one at an attractive price years ago and I didn’t because I could never get over that center stack instrumentation. Was a sacrilege to me, but I know the new car buyer is not where I am.
True. I don't absolutely love it. I want a screen for how I use media, but it's not a must to have everything else in there for me. I will say VW did have some redundancy. There's stuff you could do with a button that also had the function the the screen, but they've been removing more buttons while they do that. I must add here that I love good steering wheel controls. I don't like fiddling with stuff on the dash while driving.

I'm not going to say one is safer than the other since many of the physical buttons were low on the center stack and usually did require a glance down to get a bearing on where it is. As much as many like to cite simplicity of buttons and muscle memory I rarely pushed those buttons and would still have to glance. I think people that say otherwise are lying for the sake of winning an argument. Maybe when cars were simpler, but we have climate control instead of three knobs for position, temp, and fan speed these days that actually have ending detents to actually count clicks. Most of the knobs on even VW and Audi can be continuously spun, so it's not exactly "turn to the right until it stops and back three for foot vent only."

I'm sure none of it's better for eyes free operation, but cars are doing more than ever before and it seems no manufacturer wants to go to the old controls and very few(though some) have programmed stop detents that do work with multifunction knobs.
 
I take your point. The Audi climate control was not intuitive for me, but I also try not to judge too harshly when I was on a plane the night before and not exactly well rested. But at least appearance wise they don’t have the big iPad. BMW went tht route and while I will always have an affinity for BMW- it was hard to look at. We had a different loaner wagon when we traveled last year for our anniversary. Nice car but the screen, while imparting a lot of information, left me kind of cold.

Hopefully VW goes back to what they have done traditionally with interiors, to your point. The new ones at least don’t look like varying sized jellybeans.

Have a good day folks.
The BMW screen does offer a lot of info, but it is a screen! I rented X7 recently in Hawaii, and while it does project gauges in front (something that is a must, IMO), the rest are just gimmicks. In BMW's defense, they left some physical buttons like rear and front defrosters, so you don't have to search for those functions on cold mornings, power on/off/volume on the audio system, and some other functions. Vents are manual; no gimmicks to open and close vents through the screen like on Tesla.
But I believe there will be a return to some physical buttons soon among most manufacturers. For example, considering performance of X7, I could get over some stuff on that screen. But, Atlas? It is just another appliance vehicle. I would go Pilot strictly bcs. ergonomics, regardless that Atlas is actually a better family vehicle.
 
The BMW screen does offer a lot of info, but it is a screen! I rented X7 recently in Hawaii, and while it does project gauges in front (something that is a must, IMO), the rest are just gimmicks. In BMW's defense, they left some physical buttons like rear and front defrosters, so you don't have to search for those functions on cold mornings, power on/off/volume on the audio system, and some other functions. Vents are manual; no gimmicks to open and close vents through the screen like on Tesla.
But I believe there will be a return to some physical buttons soon among most manufacturers. For example, considering performance of X7, I could get over some stuff on that screen. But, Atlas? It is just another appliance vehicle. I would go Pilot strictly bcs. ergonomics, regardless that Atlas is actually a better family vehicle.
Yes, that's an interesting thing with the Grand Cherokee. My WK2 has no physical buttons for seat and wheel heat, while the WL, has brought them back and also has a HUD.

WK2:
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WL:
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Yes, that's an interesting thing with the Grand Cherokee. My WK2 has no physical buttons for seat and wheel heat, while the WL, has brought them back and also has a HUD.

WK2:
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WL:
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I think in the end, we will end up with a combination. Some stuff, nonessential, on screen, some stuff that is essential to quickly reach, will be physical. Now, if they would only ditch that transmission dial!
 
I think in the end, we will end up with a combination. Some stuff, nonessential, on screen, some stuff that is essential to quickly reach, will be physical. Now, if they would only ditch that transmission dial!
Smartest thing you've ever said.
 
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