Tesla Full Self Driving (FSD)

[97prizm]

Yep. Just like people.
Full disclosure, I have FSD Supervised but rarely use it. But my guess is, more and more vehicles will be on the roads with it whether I like it or not. I may try the new release tomorrow.

Check out the latest Reuters article where information is coming out that even Tesla employees don't trust the technology. This should be a real eye opener but sigh Musk gets to make claims that would get most people jail time.Tesla employees don't believe its safety stats
Data is also coming out that fsd and autopilot aren't 10x safer, the data was cherry picked to make it look safer than it actually is.

 

[97prizm]

Plus look at recent data which to me constitutes fraud
"A key problem with Tesla’s methodology stems from one comparison error that inflated Tesla’s claimed level of safety by a factor of three. The automaker counted Tesla crashes with airbag deployments and compared them with federal data on all crashes in which a tow-truck removed a vehicle — a far less restrictive criterion. Crashes requiring tow trucks often aren’t severe enough to trigger airbags." Why anyone owns a Tesla now that data comes out to support fraud is beyond me.

 

[Torrid]

Plus look at recent data which to me constitutes fraud
"A key problem with Tesla’s methodology stems from one comparison error that inflated Tesla’s claimed level of safety by a factor of three. The automaker counted Tesla crashes with airbag deployments and compared them with federal data on all crashes in which a tow-truck removed a vehicle — a far less restrictive criterion. Crashes requiring tow trucks often aren’t severe enough to trigger airbags." Why anyone owns a Tesla now that data comes out to support fraud is beyond me.

Why you worry about people who buy Teslas is beyond me.

FSD is problematic at best. The biggest issue I had before is back. It stays too close to the center line with oncoming traffic. Usually it gets to the right as they get closer, but the way it hugs the center line scares people on to the shoulder which you can see in these two videos.





Then there was this one where the oncoming truck stayed closer to the center line which typically would make FSD get to the right. It didn't this time. If you watch it was drifting even closer to the center line. I grabbed the wheel and pulled it right which forced disengagement.



Final one was this skid steer that broke down in the road. At first you could see FSD kind of slowing down, but not actively trying to stop. I had to get into the physical brakes to stop. Regen wasn't enough from that distance and I could feel FSD wasn't even in full regen yet, let alone harder braking.



Every one of these videos were from the same day. My 40 mile one way commute to work.

 

[jghall00]

I wholly believe self driving may be safer than the human population as a whole, it is not safer than human drivers who pay attention.

That's the problem: there's a large subset of drivers that just don't pay attention.

Why you worry about people who buy Teslas is beyond me.

FSD is problematic at best. The biggest issue I had before is back. It stays too close to the center line with oncoming traffic. Usually it gets to the right as they get closer, but the way it hugs the center line scares people on to the shoulder which you can see in these two videos.

Every one of these videos were from the same day. My 40 mile one way commute to work.

That seems to be a common issue with many lane centering systems. I don't know why it's so difficult to set an affinity for one side, especially on two lane roads. I don't use lane centering on two-lane highways for this precise reason. I had to teach my daughter to monitor the shoulder so she has an escape route if someone crosses the center marker. I've personally had vehicles completely fail at passing and force me onto the shoulder, one of which was an 18-wheeler. The other was a vehicle towing a trailer that had absolutely no business attempting a pass.

Many people are stupid behind the wheel. FSD can't cure that, but the biggest issue IMO is just Tesla overselling it and letting drivers get complacent while it's in operation. This false marketing, combined with the padding of stats and constant overpromising, demonstrates that Elon has completely lost the plot. I'm convinced he's constantly hyping up the technological advancements of his companies in order to boost their market value and his reported net worth. But purposely putting lives at risk to boost some ill-conceived measure of individual self worth is crossing the line into outright evil.

 

[Arc]

A few? As in more than one?

I never was one for sleeping when I was younger. I would go days without sleep up until late 20's then 4hrs a night till 50 and now it's no more than 6 hours. It was the no sleep for days that was hard on the car and a few army vehicles.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Tesla is trying to make events like this the new normal. I know it happens with other makes. Pretty sure my Audi would never let me drive through trees and into a swimming pool.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...rash-swimming-pool-home?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-1

 

[demarpaint]

Tesla is trying to make events like this the new normal. I know it happens with other makes. Pretty sure my Audi would never let me drive through trees and into a swimming pool.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...rash-swimming-pool-home?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-1

Wow! I heard about the car crashing into the house, I missed the story about the pool. Tragic, sending prayers.

 

[97prizm]

Tesla is trying to make events like this the new normal. I know it happens with other makes. Pretty sure my Audi would never let me drive through trees and into a swimming pool.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...rash-swimming-pool-home?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-1

Tesla also claims their system is "10x safer than a human driver". New info is spilling out that isn't the case. At what point will the NHTSA issue a stop sale and a dieselgate size fine to Tesla.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Let’s hope this helps stop the menace.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c07yp02mxyjo

 

[alarmguy]

Tesla is trying to make events like this the new normal. I know it happens with other makes. Pretty sure my Audi would never let me drive through trees and into a swimming pool.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...rash-swimming-pool-home?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-1

The car that drove into the house killing a 76 year old.
It has not been substantiated if the car was in self driving mode. The whole media BS is leaving out that aspect of the investigation. It's been clearly stated that the driver of the car says it was engaged however police have not confirmed that yet.

The latest-
"The driver’s Autopilot claim has not been independently confirmed."
https://electrek.co/2026/06/22/nhtsa-tesla-katy-crash-federal-investigation/

Previous hasn't changed much
https://electrek.co/2026/06/20/tesla-autopilot-katy-texas-home-crash-woman-killed/

Im not defending Tesla. I am defending transparency over media sensationalism that people lap up like a thirsty dog.
Im not doubting the guy (maybe I am) but you read all these media reports (except for the above) and the headlines forget to tell you it is not confirmed yet. Think about it, anyone screwing around in a car can blame self driving to avoid their negligence. Give the police a chance to confirm. Im sure it will be easy check.

 

[Vercingetorix]

The car that drove into the house killing a 76 year old.
It has not been substantiated if the car was in self driving mode. The whole media BS is leaving out that aspect of the investigation. It's been clearly stated that the driver of the car says it was engaged however police have not confirmed that yet.

The latest-
"The driver’s Autopilot claim has not been independently confirmed."
https://electrek.co/2026/06/22/nhtsa-tesla-katy-crash-federal-investigation/

Previous hasn't changed much
https://electrek.co/2026/06/20/tesla-autopilot-katy-texas-home-crash-woman-killed/

Im not defending Tesla. I am defending transparency over media sensationalism that people lap up like a thirsty dog.
Im not doubting the guy (maybe I am) but you read all these media reports (except for the above) and the headlines forget to tell you it is not confirmed yet. Think about it, anyone screwing around in a car can blame self driving to avoid their negligence. Give the police a chance to confirm. Im sure it will be easy check.

The driver, a 44-year-old man, told investigators from the Harris county sheriff’s office that the vehicle’s “automated driving assistance system” was engaged at the time, according to a statement from the agency.

Dunno what else needs to be said.

 

[Vercingetorix]

And even if I tried, any modern accident avoidance system simply won’t let driving into a house be a thing. It hits the brakes and squawks and flashes lights. It’s annoying with a bike rack.

Edit: Oops my bad, forgot Tesla doesn’t use life saving radar.

 

[dogememe]

First of all, Autopilot and FSD are two different things.

Second, Tesla has already checked the data and determined that the driver was not using either Autopilot or FSD and had the throttle floored the entire time.

FSD is very safe. Sometimes I subscribe to it, sometimes I don’t, but when I use it, my disengagements at this point are always for navigation or convenience, not safety concerns.

 

[Vercingetorix]

First of all, Autopilot and FSD are two different things.

Second, Tesla has already checked the data and determined that the driver was not using either Autopilot or FSD and had the throttle floored the entire time.

FSD is very safe. Sometimes I subscribe to it, sometimes I don’t, but when I use it, my disengagements at this point are always for navigation or convenience, not safety concerns.

It matters not. Tesla has been proven to lie. It shouldn’t hit the house like every other car. It’s flawed. I couldn’t do it if I wanted to. If Teslas data showed it was floored why didn’t it hit the brakes?

 

[dogememe]

It matters not. Tesla has been proven to lie. It shouldn’t hit the house like every other car. It’s flawed. I couldn’t do it if I wanted to.

What are you talking about. I can get in my Tahoe and put cruise control at 75mph or floor it and drive 75mph and crash into a house.

 

[Vercingetorix]

What are you talking about. I can get in my Tahoe and put cruise control at 75mph or floor it and drive 75mph and crash into a house.

Tahoes are not Teslas. What year and does it have anti collision? Anti collision will attempt to slow down.

 

[dogememe]

Tahoes are not Teslas. What year and does it have anti collision? Anti collision will attempt to slow down.

You said “like every other car” then you don’t like the car I picked to compare it to?

 

[Vercingetorix]

You said “like every other car” then you don’t like the car I picked to compare it to?

Every other car that has any form of self guidance/ collision avoidance.

 

[dogememe]

Every other car that has any form of self guidance/ collision avoidance.

Well our 2025 Equinox EV has that and my ex still managed to hit something with it. So again, cars are not at fault for drivers issues.

When some old lady crashed into my Tesla it alerted me, braked, and attempted to swerve. This is probably the only reason it was not damaged enough to total and I got it back after they fixed it. If I had been driving myself I likely wouldn’t have been able to respond that quickly as I am just a human. Not an AI.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Glad to see so many somehow know all the facts. But here's Tesla's instruction on AP use: The driver remains in control and legally responsible.

The haters love the clickbait articles...