Switching from 0w-20 to 0w-30 experience

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2021 Jeep GC 3.6 4x4. Owned since new currently with 87k. Used various brands of 0w20 with Valvoline flavors for the last 20k. Mostly 5-6k intervals. Switched to Amsoil SS 0w-30 for this oil change.

I know this isn’t a laboratory test. But this trip we take from Ohio to Florida is one we take every summer for the last 16 years with the same route without deviation. Once there our vehicle sits for the week and we take the FIL’s van when we go places. So it’s as close to a consistent “real world” experience as I can personally get.

Engine: The 3.6 is relatively noisy as is. With the 0w-30 it sounds less raspy and smoother. I felt no noticeable drag on the engine.

MPG: The cars computer is relatively accurate. The car has the total trip MPG listed at 24.6. I logged my fill ups and by hand it came out to 24 even. Last year with 0w-20 on the same trip the car had it listed at 25 with by hand calculation it was 24.2. So I guess technically it lost a fraction of MPG’s with 0w30 but in my opinion that could be just in the margin of error.

Oil Temperature: With 0w-20 oil temperatures would top out at 199 degree. Usually sitting at 194 most of the time. I don’t ever remember it hitting 200 on these trips. With 0w-30 it sat at 197 most of the trip but would peak at 204.

Oil Pressure: With 0w-20 during idle and cruising it sat at 30 psi and top out at 78 psi under hard acceleration. With 0w30 during idle/cruise it sat at 31-32 psi and top out at 82 psi under hard acceleration.

Oil Usage: During these trips I’d usually “top off” a small negligible amount to bring it back to the top of the full mark. This trip it’s stayed exactly on the same full mark. No top off needed.

With my OCD I researched for months going back and forth on if I should move from a 20 to a 30 weight. With these engines having dry start concerns I landed on 0w30 over a 5w-30. Will it all make a difference in engine life? I have no idea, I sure hope so! Thanks for reading.
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The Subaru folks and I have been talking about this a lot lately in regards to the FA24F engine which shreds most 0W20 oils and will quickly shear down any Xw-30. The difference being that while the 0w20 lubes do shear down but not as rapidly and drastically as other heavier grade lubes.

I did a little experiment using two quarts of 0W20 (M1 AFE) that I had left over with 3 quarts of 0W30 (M1 ESP). Even at this mix I'm noticing a bit of lag with the engine and I wouldn't say that fuel economy has taken a big hit but it's still a few MPG short of what I was getting with straight 0w20.

For me I'm going to try using Castrol EP and PUP 0w20 oils next because they have proven to not shear out of grade in this engine during a standard OCI. Otherwise I will likely try out M1 ESP, HPL, and Redline 0w20s in the future to see what results I get with those products.
 
I would change it over to a good 5w-30 if was mine. I watch some auto repair youtubes and the newer v6 like your are having cam/rocker issues like this video i will post. Cams are back ordered to the tune of 12,000 when he made this video not long ago.

 
With my OCD I researched for months going back and forth on if I should move from a 20 to a 30 weight. With these engines having dry start concerns I landed on 0w30 over a 5w-30. Will it all make a difference in engine life? I have no idea, I sure hope so! Thanks for reading.
Unless you are starting your engine at about minus 35 F, there is no difference in "dry start" (however you choose define that) performance between a 0w-30 and a 5w-30. Lots of things to worry about...but this isn't one of them.
 
Your experience generally mirrors ours in our '20 Wrangler Sport 6MT after we switched to Redline 0w-30. I say "generally" as I was less diligent in my observations and we have very few long trips in this vehicle.

Thank you for sharing this!
 
The Subaru folks and I have been talking about this a lot lately in regards to the FA24F engine which shreds most 0W20 oils and will quickly shear down any Xw-30. The difference being that while the 0w20 lubes do shear down but not as rapidly and drastically as other heavier grade lubes.

I did a little experiment using two quarts of 0W20 (M1 AFE) that I had left over with 3 quarts of 0W30 (M1 ESP). Even at this mix I'm noticing a bit of lag with the engine and I wouldn't say that fuel economy has taken a big hit but it's still a few MPG short of what I was getting with straight 0w20.

For me I'm going to try using Castrol EP and PUP 0w20 oils next because they have proven to not shear out of grade in this engine during a standard OCI. Otherwise I will likely try out M1 ESP, HPL, and Redline 0w20s in the future to see what results I get with those products.
I lost 5mpg with m1 esp 0w30 +continental dws06+ tires..... and 100f temps with AC on.
otherwise it was 1-2mpg and in the noise..
Tires definitely affected significantly more than engine oil.. even with a 12cst euro 0w30 the oil affected the mpg less than .5mpg after being warmed up.
maybe slightly more during warmup and short trips.

OTOH: I disagree with many conclusions you have drawn.. but this thread isn't the place to go offtopic about it.
 
I would change it over to a good 5w-30 if was mine. I watch some auto repair youtubes and the newer v6 like your are having cam/rocker issues like this video i will post. Cams are back ordered to the tune of 12,000 when he made this video not long ago.


What primal instinct drives people to click on videos with a cover photo that looks like it was made by a toddler, or some mouth-breather with an IQ of 75? It really speaks to the state of Western society when this is the cover one uses to reach an audience :(. It makes me appreciate people like Engineering Explained who haven't caved to this trend.
 
What primal instinct drives people to click on videos with a cover photo that looks like it was made by a toddler, or some mouth-breather with an IQ of 75? It really speaks to the state of Western society when this is the cover one uses to reach an audience :(. It makes me appreciate people like Engineering Explained who haven't caved to this trend.
I agree! I couldn’t find it anywhere in those videos where he mentions the maintenance in it. So I cant take it seriously to begin with.

They’ve made 14 million of these engines, so even a small number of failures would seem like a lot in my opinion. I’ve seen too many with high mileage running around. Including vans and small town patrol vehicles that get very high idle hours.
 
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