SUV driver runs over bikers

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Originally Posted By: GenSan
NY is not a stand-your-ground state and so the RR would have to retreat but how do you retreat on a highway when you are surrounded 360 degrees by an angry motorcycle mob at a stand still? If the RR did not instigate a road rage incident then that was a justified self-defense move on his part.


Exactly what type of 'road rage incident' would excuse that type of behavior? None. He was dealing with thugs. Personally i'm not versed on what state is 'stand your ground' or not. Its an over used phrase these days. Fear for my life over rules any 'stand your ground' law. I'm not checking the law books when i'm scared s-less. Its fight or flight. You never know how you'll react until you're in that situation. Its easy to sit here and say yea i would have ran them over.
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog
I didn't see a brake check so much as I saw an idiot on a white sportbike pulling too close in front and then gradually slowing down. Looked like he got bumped. Doesn't even look like he went down.

Couldn't really see what happened that made the Range Rover driver counter the stupidity of the sportbike rider with what may have been more stupidity or may have been legitimate defensive action.

I've ridden in large groups on multiple occasions. I have only observed one attack on a car driver. A drunk that ran a redlight and clipped the back wheel of one of the riders. He hit several other bikes trying to get away. He was dragged out of the window and beaten while I checked on the downed rider. (he was okay. little banged up)

Cops left him in handcuffs on the ground bleeding while they questioned us. He was the only one that got arrested that night.


Then the cops made a mistake in not arresting those who committed an assault. I get that the drunk (alleged) driver ran a red light and hit one of the bikers, thus committing a crime (DUI) and a traffic infraction and endangering others.

How do you justify the commission of another crime (felony assault & battery...by multiple assailants) in what can only be described as retaliation? Had the driver been armed, he would have been justified in shooting those members of your group committing the assault. Clear, simple self defense against a larger group with intent to do serious bodily injury.

You can't just beat someone up because you're angry about what they've done. That's a crime.
 
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And people think folks around NYC don't need a real off road SUV like Range Rover. That was quite impressive it climbing over some POS bike or a few and driving away at speed.

I wish the guy spun himself around and took out the rest of the idiots who stood in the way in the end.

Our local pack animals are road bicyclists who I think normally are decent people. They get together and act like morons not properly adhering to road rules like riding single file on narrow roads along the ocean. They yell at drivers and one or two have been known to assault cars.
 
Originally Posted By: webfors
More videos of the same idiots:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664


As a Motorcyclist, and for most of my adult years a Sportbike rider, I assumed after seeing the first Youtube video, that there was probably some stupidity along those lines as evidenced in these videos. Which lead to the harassment of and assault on the Range Rover driver.

I refuse to ride with large groups of unskilled, idiotic riders, as we see in these videos.

I am ashamed that these idiots now represent the face of Motorcycling, to the non-riding public.

To all of the non-riders, please know that not all Motorcyclist's are morons.
 
Crotch rockets, quads, dirt bikes, a freakshow of punks.

I wonder which one is the Toe Cutter?

I only watched the first video ^^^^^, but I don't have any reasonable doubt about that SUV driver being a crime victim who was very reasonably defending his family.

The victims name has been irresponsibly published, so his family will never be safe from these criminals. It's a shame that the second amendment has been mostly legislated out of existence in New York. If ever there was a need for more than seven rounds, that looked to be it.
 
Originally Posted By: 02SE
Originally Posted By: webfors
More videos of the same idiots:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664


As a Motorcyclist, and for most of my adult years a Sportbike rider, I assumed after seeing the first Youtube video, that there was probably some stupidity along those lines as evidenced in these videos. Which lead to the harassment of and assault on the Range Rover driver.

I refuse to ride with large groups of unskilled, idiotic riders, as we see in these videos.

I am ashamed that these idiots now represent the face of Motorcycling, to the non-riding public.

To all of the non-riders, please know that not all Motorcyclist's are morons.


I ride, have since I was 16. It's been a dry spell of owning a bike since the kids came around. But even when I was a teen I never behaved like the punks in these videos. I have a lot of respect and love for riding. Unfortunately it's clowns like these that tarnish the culture.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14

You can't just beat someone up because you're angry about what they've done. That's a crime.



+1

That is absolutely ridiculous, and I can't believe someone actually thinks they are in the right by having their gang beat someone up.

Tracking them down, getting their plate, following them, etc is fine if you contact the police and make sure the person who committed the crime is taken care of. Self defense is acting to avoid a harmful (to yourself) situation, not getting revenge.
 
Thanks to 02SE and the link to the extra videos of the bikers....I think after watching those, their attitude towards everyone else's safety cannot be at question....they are truly morons.

It's a shame a few dedicated NY'ers didn't take matters into their own hands and adjust these bikers with 2x4's and baseball bats....they deserve no better treatment than that. I truly hope maybe they will bring their "show" to Gettysburg Pa since we have our own "show" for them!

oh yeah....to Ms Domenech's nephew? Remember what yo mama taught you...if you're going to play with fire, you're going to get burnt. Hurts don't it? You need to make better decisions of what you do with your spare time once you heal.
 
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Everywhere I go I see stickers on the back of cars and trucks...."Watch for motorcycles". I cant escape the irony when a few miles down the road a crotch rocket zips between me and the car beside me in the middle with only inches between the 3 vehicles, then proceeds ahead to whip in and out of other vehicles.
So I am supposed to watch for them, but thats only so they can drive like a maniac exceeding the speed limit and act like a complete moron.......BUT if I am in an accident with one of them, despite how it happens....its my fault because I am in the bigger vehicle and should have been watching. I see this all the time on the news, in the paper, on signs all over the sides of the roads where an accident took place.

Now, I have family that ride motorcycles, and they do ride in charity events with several other bikers. Ive been to a few, as well as ridden on the side of such events on the freeways. Typically the bikes that enter these events or ride like this are the heavier cruising bikes and normally they keep to themselves, stay in their lane and are generally respectful of the folks they are sharing the roads with.

From what I can tell in the videos, a pack of bikers come up from behind the SUV, basically surround him and then the one in front slows down and was bumped by the SUV. The SUV did stop until they began to mob around him, then he ran over the initial bike he bumped, and from the looks of it the biker and maybe a few others. The rest proceeded to jump on their bikes and chase him down creating all kinds of havoc on the roadway. I read that the guy had his family with him in the SUV....I feel bad for him, and cant say that I would have did anything different. When it comes down to morons putting my wife and daughter in danger when we were just minding our own business to start with, my family will win out every time.
 
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I'm glad he was in an suv when he ran over that bike. If he were in a car like my civic, it would have probably high centered on that bike since he started from a dead stop, and he'd have been in big trouble.

Looks like a few of the punks got what they deserved. Hopefully justice is served for the rest of them, too.
 
God I wish this would have happened in a location where the 2nd amendment hasn't been highly infringed and legislated away. I much would have preferred to see the Range Rover driver unloading a shotgun into the face of the guy smashing his window out.
 
Originally Posted By: Swarmlord
I like threads that make sweeping generalizations about people...


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Which thread might you be referring to? In case you haven't actually read the thread, mostly every BITOG'er is speaking very specifically about this mob of dangerous bikers in these videos (and any who happen to act similarly,) not every single biker in the country.

I'll add two quick comments:

1. Just because some of these guys are loose cannons (which may have, in turn, instigated others to act similarly) doesn't mean that every single guy you see in the video is to blame for what happened. It very well may be that one of the guys who was run over heard about the "ride" from a buddy or online and wasn't a part of their typical shenanigans.

Most were driving dangerously, but that also doesn't meant that they're all bad guys, like those we see forcing the RR out of his lane and the dummy who brake-checked him.

2. I hope this ends well for Mr. Lien. I really hope that the reports that his car was being dented and his tires slashed can be substantiated, giving him cause to fear for his life. Not every one can process all of what happened to him as quickly as it happened, so I don't think it would be fair to say that he should have honked his horn and made a show of darting off before actually doing so, though it may have prevented his eventually being beaten (assuming a few more dinged bikes would have resulted in only his car being smashed at the end, not him during the tit-for-tat that occurred.)

"Fight or flight" is right, IMO, and when you feel threatened you hit the get-me-and-my-family-out'o-here pedal. This world can be a messed up place; assuming that they only intended to scare me a bit or exchange a dent for a dent isn't always a valid choice these days, in these situations.
 
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We don't know the entire story but as far as I can determine the bikers surrounded the guy in the SUV with his wife and child in the SUV also. I seriously doubt that most guys with their wife and child are going to deliberately attack somebody on a motorcycle, especially when there are several people on motorcycles, so I am going to assume unless I find out differently that the motorcycle people were messing with this guy in the SUV, somebody pulling out in front of him and braking suddenly or whatever.

Anybody could develop fear for the lives of their wife and child and themselves and may have tried to escape. The guy driving the SUV would have no idea what all of those people on motorcycles were going to do and remember he was defending his wife and child also.

If that is what happened I support the SUV driver.

But even if that is not what happened and the SUV driver was impatient and jammed somebody on a motorcycle for no reason, that is still not justification for those people on motorcycles to attack him. Even if the SUV driver was in the wrong somehow the people on motorcycles could have got his vehicle license and reported the assault.

The people on the motorcycles were probably playing some stupid game with this guy in the SUV, braking suddenly in front of him and stuff like that. For them it was a game and there may be consequences when you mess with somebody like that.
 
Originally Posted By: Mykl
More info. Miss Domenech is an idiot. The people to blame for her nephew's hospitalization are not the people in the Range Rover, but the people who tried to attack the occupants of the Range Rover.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/...over-chase?lite


Now hang on a second...

If he was not a threat then the driver of the SUV had no right to injure him.

So it is really your position that running over someone checking on a downed rider is acceptable behavior?

WOW...
 
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