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SUV driver runs over bikers
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Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Defensive driving 101:
The most deadly weapon you have is your vehicle, in this case a pretty good one a big SUV.
If he feared bodily harm to him or his family he needed to switch gears so to speak from normal driver to survival driving.
1. Keep moving, speed is safety, stopping as seen at the end of the video can be deadly.
2. Their are only two types of surfaces, drivable and undrivable. Sidewalks, medians, grass, are all GTG, especially with a 4wd.
3. If traffic impedes you move it, ie ram your way threw. Just don't do it fast enough to disable your vehicle.
4. Get in contact with authorities and keep them updated as to your location.
I would have used that Range Rovers power to push the Camry out of my way, or reversed and went over the bikers.
Towards the end of the video I was left wondering why he left the relative safety of the freeway. My strategy would have been to stay on the freeway and go at a very low speed, maybe 20-30 mph, and steadily swerve back and forth across the width of the highway with a few random spurts of acceleration and brake checks. That would have removed sidewalks and the need to push vehicles out of the way from the equation, because I wouldn't want to endanger anyone else. Of course I'm also on the phone with the police the entire time.
On an open freeway at low speeds, even a big SUV has a maneuverability advantage over a motorcycle. If I felt my wife and kids were in danger I'll happily put a few offenders in the ground.
Defensive driving 101:
The most deadly weapon you have is your vehicle, in this case a pretty good one a big SUV.
If he feared bodily harm to him or his family he needed to switch gears so to speak from normal driver to survival driving.
1. Keep moving, speed is safety, stopping as seen at the end of the video can be deadly.
2. Their are only two types of surfaces, drivable and undrivable. Sidewalks, medians, grass, are all GTG, especially with a 4wd.
3. If traffic impedes you move it, ie ram your way threw. Just don't do it fast enough to disable your vehicle.
4. Get in contact with authorities and keep them updated as to your location.
I would have used that Range Rovers power to push the Camry out of my way, or reversed and went over the bikers.
Towards the end of the video I was left wondering why he left the relative safety of the freeway. My strategy would have been to stay on the freeway and go at a very low speed, maybe 20-30 mph, and steadily swerve back and forth across the width of the highway with a few random spurts of acceleration and brake checks. That would have removed sidewalks and the need to push vehicles out of the way from the equation, because I wouldn't want to endanger anyone else. Of course I'm also on the phone with the police the entire time.
On an open freeway at low speeds, even a big SUV has a maneuverability advantage over a motorcycle. If I felt my wife and kids were in danger I'll happily put a few offenders in the ground.
Originally Posted By: sentra
The delay in police response might be due to cops failing to amass enough officers to deal with the sizable number of unruly riders. Surely, the dispatcher didn't want to send a cop or two to deal with the situation without sufficient backup.
Considering how many police are in NYC I'm shocked it went on so long.
Bloomberg has a pretty good sized army at his disposal.
The delay in police response might be due to cops failing to amass enough officers to deal with the sizable number of unruly riders. Surely, the dispatcher didn't want to send a cop or two to deal with the situation without sufficient backup.
Considering how many police are in NYC I'm shocked it went on so long.
Bloomberg has a pretty good sized army at his disposal.
Originally Posted By: Mykl
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Defensive driving 101:
The most deadly weapon you have is your vehicle, in this case a pretty good one a big SUV.
If he feared bodily harm to him or his family he needed to switch gears so to speak from normal driver to survival driving.
1. Keep moving, speed is safety, stopping as seen at the end of the video can be deadly.
2. Their are only two types of surfaces, drivable and undrivable. Sidewalks, medians, grass, are all GTG, especially with a 4wd.
3. If traffic impedes you move it, ie ram your way threw. Just don't do it fast enough to disable your vehicle.
4. Get in contact with authorities and keep them updated as to your location.
I would have used that Range Rovers power to push the Camry out of my way, or reversed and went over the bikers.
Towards the end of the video I was left wondering why he left the relative safety of the freeway. My strategy would have been to stay on the freeway and go at a very low speed, maybe 20-30 mph, and steadily swerve back and forth across the width of the highway with a few random spurts of acceleration and brake checks. That would have removed sidewalks and the need to push vehicles out of the way from the equation, because I wouldn't want to endanger anyone else. Of course I'm also on the phone with the police the entire time.
On an open freeway at low speeds, even a big SUV has a maneuverability advantage over a motorcycle. If I felt my wife and kids were in danger I'll happily put a few offenders in the ground.
That's a good plan, I95N would have been ideal for this. However in that area its also quite possible he could have gotten boxed in with traffic and guardrails. In that case your really stuck.
Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Defensive driving 101:
The most deadly weapon you have is your vehicle, in this case a pretty good one a big SUV.
If he feared bodily harm to him or his family he needed to switch gears so to speak from normal driver to survival driving.
1. Keep moving, speed is safety, stopping as seen at the end of the video can be deadly.
2. Their are only two types of surfaces, drivable and undrivable. Sidewalks, medians, grass, are all GTG, especially with a 4wd.
3. If traffic impedes you move it, ie ram your way threw. Just don't do it fast enough to disable your vehicle.
4. Get in contact with authorities and keep them updated as to your location.
I would have used that Range Rovers power to push the Camry out of my way, or reversed and went over the bikers.
Towards the end of the video I was left wondering why he left the relative safety of the freeway. My strategy would have been to stay on the freeway and go at a very low speed, maybe 20-30 mph, and steadily swerve back and forth across the width of the highway with a few random spurts of acceleration and brake checks. That would have removed sidewalks and the need to push vehicles out of the way from the equation, because I wouldn't want to endanger anyone else. Of course I'm also on the phone with the police the entire time.
On an open freeway at low speeds, even a big SUV has a maneuverability advantage over a motorcycle. If I felt my wife and kids were in danger I'll happily put a few offenders in the ground.
That's a good plan, I95N would have been ideal for this. However in that area its also quite possible he could have gotten boxed in with traffic and guardrails. In that case your really stuck.
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NY is not a stand-your-ground state and so the RR would have to retreat but how do you retreat on a highway when you are surrounded 360 degrees by an angry motorcycle mob at a stand still? If the RR did not instigate a road rage incident then that was a justified self-defense move on his part.
I hate non stand-your-ground States where you have to run away like a coward when you are genuinely fearing life & limb because the laws state you should, therefore, we choose not to reside in them.
I would not have hesitated to drop the 1st biker w/ my sidearm who approached on foot after I had no where to escape if this occurred in a State which acknowledges Stand Your Ground. Of course I would not have instigated a road rage incident to begin with and simply had driven off. But if I was targeted I would have done the same as the RR driver and then some to protect my family.
I hate non stand-your-ground States where you have to run away like a coward when you are genuinely fearing life & limb because the laws state you should, therefore, we choose not to reside in them.
I would not have hesitated to drop the 1st biker w/ my sidearm who approached on foot after I had no where to escape if this occurred in a State which acknowledges Stand Your Ground. Of course I would not have instigated a road rage incident to begin with and simply had driven off. But if I was targeted I would have done the same as the RR driver and then some to protect my family.
I saw enough in the video by way of provocation that there would have been teeth, hair, and eyeballs all over that roadway! I had a similar incident to this one back in the early 80's. I was minding my own business driving the speed limit when I found myself surrounded by a crew of about 10 maggots on big Harley hog type bikes. They came off a 2-lane secondary road onto the 2-lane primary road I was on and quickly caught up to me. They decided they would pass me, and put on a little show...like speeding up, and then slowing down between 30 and 40 MPH while swigging and spitting their Buds at each other. This went on for about 5+ or so miles during which they would speed up where it was safe to pass to the rate of speed I would speed up to pass them and then slow down again to their slow speed on hills or other no passing zones. This went on for about the next 10 miles or so. This went on forever at speeds up to and over 100 MPH! Finally, the leader, who was staying right with me as I'm trying to pass, looked over while I was looking at him and shaking my head "NO" and he decided to break it off. The look on my face alone probably gave him pause, and I doubt he really understood how close he came.
What they couldn't know was they were testing my internal PTSD off-switches. To this day, given excess stress, especially of an intimidation kind or direct overt provocation I become very unhinged, start to experience tunnel vision, and for all other purposes out of control, with respect to knowing right from wrong. Worse, I've in the past didn't care enough to fight the urge to do again what I was so well trained to do back in the day. As luck would have it, this issue has only come up about three times since the 60's with no bad outcome. I honestly don't think, given what I see on the video, a bad outcome would be avoidable. I'm so glad I wasn't there!
What they couldn't know was they were testing my internal PTSD off-switches. To this day, given excess stress, especially of an intimidation kind or direct overt provocation I become very unhinged, start to experience tunnel vision, and for all other purposes out of control, with respect to knowing right from wrong. Worse, I've in the past didn't care enough to fight the urge to do again what I was so well trained to do back in the day. As luck would have it, this issue has only come up about three times since the 60's with no bad outcome. I honestly don't think, given what I see on the video, a bad outcome would be avoidable. I'm so glad I wasn't there!
in NYC, you can't have a firearm right? didn't plaxico burress go to jail for 3 years for shooting himself in the leg at a club. so this guy had no weapon except his SUV and called the cops with his wife and 5 month old in the backseat. bad situation. I would have ran them over with the SUV one by one. if there are 30 of them, when you come to a stop, one of them will get to him. he should have stayed on the interstate, but when you freaking out like that, you can't think straight
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Well done, RR!
such biker gangs as the one in video deserve nothing better. They clearly started it.
(Not saying all bikers are like this)
I also wonder what would have happened if the RR driver stayed in his vehicle and called 911 when he stopped the 1st time...he might have been afraid that the bikers would attack him before cops arrived, though, so I guess that's what made him ride over them.)
again, well done, RR driver.
such biker gangs as the one in video deserve nothing better. They clearly started it.
(Not saying all bikers are like this)
I also wonder what would have happened if the RR driver stayed in his vehicle and called 911 when he stopped the 1st time...he might have been afraid that the bikers would attack him before cops arrived, though, so I guess that's what made him ride over them.)
again, well done, RR driver.
To be honest, we can only comment on what's seen in the video. We do not know what happened prior to that. Was the RR driver being a [censored] and thus provoked the bikers? Probably not, but still, how can you tell for sure?
Granted, this does not excuse anything else the bikers did afterwards.
Granted, this does not excuse anything else the bikers did afterwards.
I see what you're saying, Pete, but Very likely the bikers started this with no reason - you can see that all other bikers are riding on, except that ONE biker clearly stopping in front of the SUV and starting it - if the SUV had done something prior to that, I think the other bikers would have also stopped like that one biker. I also think it's highly unlikely that the RR driver would provoke about 30 bikers with his wife and 2 yr old child in the car.
I often see bikers (not in gangs, even as single ones), just almost always riding erratically and purposefully annoying any driver they can, unless it's another bike. It's like they have some automated hate against all other car types.
I often see bikers (not in gangs, even as single ones), just almost always riding erratically and purposefully annoying any driver they can, unless it's another bike. It's like they have some automated hate against all other car types.
There is a whole boatload of stupidity going on in that video...
You guys have no idea what happened before the video started so you can't say "who started it"...
Regardless of who started it, brake checking an SUV on a motorcycle is flat out ignorant.
Thinking you can out maneuver or outrun a Sportbike or Motard in an SUV is pretty darn ignorant too...
This sort of thing is why I don't like to ride in a group of more than 3 or 4 because the cage drivers get irritated/distracted/intimidated and do ignorant crud and the riders do ignorant crud trying to stay together... just a recipe for a bad ride all around...
I don't think anyone in this video did anything particularly well save perhaps the few riders that appeared to break it off...
You guys have no idea what happened before the video started so you can't say "who started it"...
Regardless of who started it, brake checking an SUV on a motorcycle is flat out ignorant.
Thinking you can out maneuver or outrun a Sportbike or Motard in an SUV is pretty darn ignorant too...
This sort of thing is why I don't like to ride in a group of more than 3 or 4 because the cage drivers get irritated/distracted/intimidated and do ignorant crud and the riders do ignorant crud trying to stay together... just a recipe for a bad ride all around...
I don't think anyone in this video did anything particularly well save perhaps the few riders that appeared to break it off...
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
You guys have no idea what happened before the video started so you can't say "who started it"...
Very likely the bikers started this with no reason - you can see that all other bikers are riding on, except that ONE biker clearly stopping in front of the SUV and starting it - if the SUV had done something prior to that, as in HE started it, I think the other bikers would have also stopped like that one biker. I also think it's highly unlikely that the RR driver would provoke about 30 bikers and start this, with his wife and 2 yr old child in the car.
You guys have no idea what happened before the video started so you can't say "who started it"...
Very likely the bikers started this with no reason - you can see that all other bikers are riding on, except that ONE biker clearly stopping in front of the SUV and starting it - if the SUV had done something prior to that, as in HE started it, I think the other bikers would have also stopped like that one biker. I also think it's highly unlikely that the RR driver would provoke about 30 bikers and start this, with his wife and 2 yr old child in the car.
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
You guys have no idea what happened before the video started so you can't say "who started it"...
Very likely the bikers started this with no reason - you can see that all other bikers are riding on, except that ONE biker clearly stopping in front of the SUV and starting it - if the SUV had done something prior to that, as in HE started it, I think the other bikers would have also stopped like that one biker. I also think it's highly unlikely that the RR driver would provoke about 30 bikers and start this, with his wife and 2 yr old child in the car.
Absolutely unfounded accusation, you don't know period, you're only showing your bias...
It is at least as likely that the RR driver tried to kill one of the bikers (whether or not he knew it) driving with his head up his rear end or making goo-goo eyes at the kid or wife... or may be he was intimidated by all the scary bikers around him... but that is my bias and I have no more idea what actually happened than you do...
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
You guys have no idea what happened before the video started so you can't say "who started it"...
Very likely the bikers started this with no reason - you can see that all other bikers are riding on, except that ONE biker clearly stopping in front of the SUV and starting it - if the SUV had done something prior to that, as in HE started it, I think the other bikers would have also stopped like that one biker. I also think it's highly unlikely that the RR driver would provoke about 30 bikers and start this, with his wife and 2 yr old child in the car.
Absolutely unfounded accusation, you don't know period, you're only showing your bias...
It is at least as likely that the RR driver tried to kill one of the bikers (whether or not he knew it) driving with his head up his rear end or making goo-goo eyes at the kid or wife... or may be he was intimidated by all the scary bikers around him... but that is my bias and I have no more idea what actually happened than you do...
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
you can see that all other bikers are riding on,
I dunno... it's really hard to tell. It kind of looks like they're all swarming the SUV.
Anyway, I'm not defending them. I'm just withholding the judgement since I wasn't there and don't know the whole story.
you can see that all other bikers are riding on,
I dunno... it's really hard to tell. It kind of looks like they're all swarming the SUV.
Anyway, I'm not defending them. I'm just withholding the judgement since I wasn't there and don't know the whole story.
It's just more likely that the bikers started it - you know, they're just rowdier by nature and RR drivers are a more refined type of person, automatically. So I don't think RR guy started it.
Just kidding, BUT I do still believe that the bikers started it, and we will probably find out (hopefully) who started it, for a fact. If I was betting, Id bet it was the bikers.
Since multiple sources have covered this and none of them mention the driver of the RR attacking any of the motorcyclists prior to the video I'm going to guess that the driver didn't do much to provoke the mob. Had he been guilty of anything I'd like to imagine that the guy he ran over who ended up with the broken leg would have mentioned it by now.
I didn't see a brake check so much as I saw an idiot on a white sportbike pulling too close in front and then gradually slowing down. Looked like he got bumped. Doesn't even look like he went down.
Couldn't really see what happened that made the Range Rover driver counter the stupidity of the sportbike rider with what may have been more stupidity or may have been legitimate defensive action.
I've ridden in large groups on multiple occasions. I have only observed one attack on a car driver. A drunk that ran a redlight and clipped the back wheel of one of the riders. He hit several other bikes trying to get away. He was dragged out of the window and beaten while I checked on the downed rider. (he was okay. little banged up)
Cops left him in handcuffs on the ground bleeding while they questioned us. He was the only one that got arrested that night.
Couldn't really see what happened that made the Range Rover driver counter the stupidity of the sportbike rider with what may have been more stupidity or may have been legitimate defensive action.
I've ridden in large groups on multiple occasions. I have only observed one attack on a car driver. A drunk that ran a redlight and clipped the back wheel of one of the riders. He hit several other bikes trying to get away. He was dragged out of the window and beaten while I checked on the downed rider. (he was okay. little banged up)
Cops left him in handcuffs on the ground bleeding while they questioned us. He was the only one that got arrested that night.
I have gotten much more mindful of the need to protect my own safety, and to avoid being hit from behind. If someone cuts in front of me, making certain assumptions about where I'm looking, how good my reaction times are and what I will do to avoid him, he may find out that my driving priorities are not what he thinks they are. The fact is that I'm getting older and no longer willing to take extreme actions to protect someone else from their own stupidity.
Originally Posted By: TechnoLoGs
Originally Posted By: bvance554
I'm sure they're all nice people individually, but you get that many people together it becomes a gang of thugs harassing the public.
That's not necessarily true.
What is not necassarily true? I didn't say in every case. In this case it certainly is. Go work on your blazer. This is an adult conversation.
Originally Posted By: bvance554
I'm sure they're all nice people individually, but you get that many people together it becomes a gang of thugs harassing the public.
That's not necessarily true.
What is not necassarily true? I didn't say in every case. In this case it certainly is. Go work on your blazer. This is an adult conversation.
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