Supertech Synthetic Not Viper and Corvette approved anymore?

[Mike_dup1]

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I fail to comprehend the reasoning though...yes, ST may be made by the lowest bidder, but if it meets 4718M, and GM calls for 4718M in this specific application, what's the problem

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You can quote specs all day long but I would never use ST or recommend anyone to use it, ever. Amsoil meets these specs too but you guys slam it till the cows come home. The money you save buying ST oils wasted going to Walmart all the time.

Only buy brand name products from Walmart if you must go there, stay away from their store brands. The source of those products changes with the wind, if they find it a nickle cheaper in China, thats where ST will come from next. I don't trust them.......


All you guys perpetrating this tale that you can't use Synthetic Oil in new engines read this From Mobil 1 site


I wonder how many who own these cars visit this site? How many use ST elcheapo oil in them?

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Myth:
You should break in your engine with conventional oil, then switch to a synthetic oil like Mobil 1.


Reality:
You can start using Mobil 1 with SuperSyn Technology in new vehicles at any time, even in brand new vehicles. In fact, Mobil 1 with SuperSyn Technology is original equipment (it is installed at the factory) in:

Aston Martin
Bentley Amage and Bentley GT
Cadillac CTS, XLR, SRX and STS
Chevrolet Corvette
Dodge Viper
Mercedes-Benz AMG vehicles
Mercedes SLR
Mitsubishi EVO
Pontiac GTO
All Porsche vehicles
One of the myths that surrounds synthetic oils is that new engines require a break-in period with conventional oil. The fact is, current engine manufacturing technology does not require this break-in period. As indicated by the decisions of the engineers who design the high-performance cars listed above, Mobil 1 can be used starting the day you drive the car off the showroom floor.

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btw - GM engines are not fired till they are in the car. For them to run engines would be a EPA nightmare not to mention a huge health risk for workers. The test run them using other means but not by running. Once the Vette is fired, it is run thru some paces before it leaves the plant. Its fired up about 200 ft from the end of the line, driven off by 2 women to the alignment racks, then driven to the DVT (dynamic vehicle testing) DYNO and run up to 75 mph till it passed the tests, brakes are tested, car driven on to water leak testing booths and then out the door 1/2 mile to the staging area for shipping. So before it even gets to the dealer is been driving fairly hard.

[ February 07, 2005, 11:51 AM: Message edited by: Mike ]

 

[Norm Olt]

Good (enough?)

Better? (In some opinions, maybe?)

BEST? Brand "X" is the ABSOLUTE BEST!!!

If the FACTORY spec for a Corvette is 4718M one is foolish (IMHO) to use an oil that does not meet (or EXCEED) that specification.

Ergo, an oil that MEETS that specification is satisfactory. I don't believe that the group, or even the nature of the oil (100%syn, semi-syn or GASP! even a DINO) makes any difference when it meets the spec and is, therefore, an appropriate choice..

A BETTER choice is, of course, a possibility, as some oils ARE ACTUALLY BETTER than others.

BEST is a matter of opinion (& active debate, for SURE) on this site and others.

As to the question of how much of what is one's presumably hard-earned money one $HOULD $pend in order to meet the required specification, it all depends upon the individual situation. If I were leasing a Corvette and planned to buy it out at the end of the lease I would be more inclined to take the longer term approach, just as if I was buying it to begin with. If it was goin' back to the dealer at 36 months I might be satisfied in using the required specification oil and still responsibly calling it good (enough?).

The list of vehicles using M1 from the factory is very impressive: I wouldn't want to have a warranty claim denied nor EVER have to pay for a major necessary engine REPAIR (note: I did not say "rebuild") on any of them!

It would probably be more than I paid for my last motorcycle!

Cheers!

 

[Mike_dup1]

First of all, I am not trying to be an Ahole here. I just see so many people who are so concerned with cost of something that they will jump over a dollar to pick up a dime.

I don't understand the fascination with ST oil and beer can oil filters. Is it only because it is cheap? Why not buy the name brand oil that sits right next to it? Its only money!

What if it were 50 cents more then Mobil 1, would you still use it? What if you found out that it just makes the spec you mention, while Mobil 1 exceeds it by 10 miles? Still buy ST?

I would like to know your reasoning for using it?

Its been said that Warren Distribution makes the oil but do they really? I have it that they are just a repackager and buy oil from anyone and everyone who' gives them the best price for the items they desire. They then repackage it for many stores

 

[Jelly]

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Originally posted by Mike:
Still buy ST?

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First off, I completely understand where you are coming from and I've witnessed my fair share of people who are "penny wise and dollar foolish"...for example, when getting groceries, they'll buy store brands to save every little penny, yet spend big dollars on boats, trucks, big houses, etc, etc...

Would I use ST if I had a Corvette...heck no! Then again, I'm a oil nut, and for the average consumer, I'd have no problems recommending it to someone as long as it had the proper approvals, although I'd suggest something else.

Beer can oil filter? The only brand name that sits next to the Ecore SuperTech is Fram...are you telling me I should go with Fram?

 

[Korean_redneck]

WPP finally emailed me back!!!! heres what they wrote...

From: Dietz Brock
Cc: Bob Porter
Subject: Re: Fwd: Supertech Synthetic in COrvette or Viper.
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 09:58:25 -0600


John,

The Super Tech Full Synthetic 5w30 SL GF-3 is fully qualified for use
in 2004 and prior year Corvette and Viper. The product is being
upgraded to conform to the new SM GF-4 qualifications and we are taking
off the statements about Corvette and Viper until they release their new
specifications for engine oils. We have every confidence that they will
meet the new specifications when they are released but we can't be
certain until they are. Hopefully this answered you question.

Dietz Brock
Warren Distribution

 

[Ray H]

I found some 5w30 weight "SJ" at a local under-a-buck store. Would that be OK for my new 'vette? Says right on the bottle that it's "precisely blended for all modern automobile engines". I could invest the savings in one of these miracle 10-15% return investments noted above.

 

[Jelly]

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Originally posted by Mike:
You can quote specs all day long but I would never use ST or recommend anyone to use it, ever. Amsoil meets these specs too but you guys slam it till the cows come home.

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Who's slamming Amsoil?

You refuse to run ST oil, not because it's not of acceptable quality according to GM (if it meets 4718M), but because you've got some serious hangups with Wal-Mart. You're simply discounting this oil because of what's printed on the label and not what's actually in the bottle...

If you don't want to use ST, then so be it...I have nothing to lose. Maybe you should try basing your opinions on factual information though? By this, I mean if ST meets 4718M and GM states you need an oil with this approval for use in a Corvette, what's the hangup?

Good enough for GM but not good enough for Mike because it has SuperTech printed on the label?

[ February 07, 2005, 12:14 PM: Message edited by: Jelly ]

 

[Mike_dup1]

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Beer can oil filter?

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The ST metal can is as thin as a beer can...I seen where someone dropped one on the floor and dented it in.