So what is the deal with HPL Oil?
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I'm sure its VERY good oil for those who dont care about $$$/Disposable income. But also VERY overpriced 
I'll stick to my stash of clearance Magnatec, Chevron Havoline, Mobil 1 .25 cents-$2 each qt
I'll stick to my stash of clearance Magnatec, Chevron Havoline, Mobil 1 .25 cents-$2 each qt
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I'm sure its VERY good oil for those who dont care about $$$/Disposable income. But also VERY overpriced
I'll stick to my stash of clearance Magnatec, Chevron Havoline, Mobil 1 .25 cents-$2 each qt
yeah, but aren't all modern motor oils meeting multiple specs VERY good no matter the cost factor thereby lending credence to the old adage when a difference makes no difference, go with the cheapest.
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Yes 100% !! Anything SN+ or SP rated will be just fine for 99.9% of all vehicles on the road !! Personally, I put HPL in the same category as Amsoil, Redline and Royal Purpleyeah, but aren't all modern motor oils meeting multiple specs VERY good no matter the cost factor thereby lending credence to the old adage when a difference makes no difference, go with the cheapest.
The guy with the new $100K Vette or Hellcat >might< benefit from it. But does "Bob Oilman" with the 2005 Camry need it ??????
NO !!
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the guy with the 100k Hellcat or Vet probably can't run it, not if it is under warranty simply because that HPL stuff hasn't jumped thru all the hoops it takes to say you "meet or exceed so and so certification" and instead your promotional materials have the disclaimer "it is a suitable replacement for"Yes 100% !! Anything SN+ or SP rated will be just fine for 99.9% of all vehicles on the road !! Personally, I put HPL in the same category as Amsoil, Redline and Royal Purple
The guy with the new $100K Vette or Hellcat >might< benefit from it. But does "Bob Oilman" with the 2005 Camry need it ??????
NO !!
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Good point !! Correction: Once out of warranty. It could benefit those engines to some degree
Good example: My brothers buddy owned a '17 Camaro SS that had an extended factory warranty that he wasnt aware of( he purchased car from used car dealer) and when rear end went out, boy did he learn the hard way on voided warranty with not using correct fluids and schedules!! GM dealer went through car with FINE TOOTH COMB !!!
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I would counter with this ...I'm sure its VERY good oil for those who dont care about $$$/Disposable income. But also VERY overpriced
"Overpriced" is a matter of perspective.
I would agree HPL lubes are expensive; very much so. But to call them "overpriced" is an unfair label. HPL lubes have proven themselves incredibly capable of long OCIs, all while also doing a fantastic job of cleaning an engine.
ROI (return on investment) is a function of how a product is utilized. If the user does not fully utilize the product capability, that's not the fault of the product.
HPL is no more overpriced that any other expensive syn product like Amsoil or Mobil1 when they are changed out too early relative to their ability. Or, no more overpriced that using a Fram Ultra filter for a normal 5k mile OCI.
I would agree that using HPL for repeating 5k mile OCIs is a total waste of money, but that's not a fault of the lube - it's the fault of the user. It's inducing a false economy into the equation.
Use HPL lubes for their intended purpose, and monitor their performance, and the "overpriced" claim fades as the ROI increases. They are expensive; they are NOT overpriced for the potential performance they offer.
oh yeah.... you can look at Amsoil or HPL marketing and see they don't actually claim they meet the certifications, they claim they are a suitable replacement or are better than by some amount and employ some other such attorney type wording that absolves them of responsibility.
Doesn't mean they aren't good lubricants or that anyone should believe clever marketing and pay more either. like some of the others say, people are willing to pay more for exclusivity.
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Depends on the verbiage in the manual.
Note the liberal use of the word "recommends" on the oil portion in contrast to the very specific verbiage when referencing additives:
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AMSOIL does warranty their products for such usage case scenarios with their SS product line (their other products have formal approvals), you can find the warranty language on their website.oh yeah.... you can look at Amsoil or HPL marketing and see they don't actually claim they meet the certifications, they claim they are a suitable replacement or are better than by some amount and employ some other such attorney type wording that absolves them of responsibility.
What clever marketing does HPL employ?
Or more for higher quality. I have a CADEX rifle combo that I spent $13K on. Is that necessary to send lead down range? Absolutely not. Is it objectively better than other rifles that are significantly cheaper? Absolutely.
Same reason we choose to spend more on higher performance and more luxurious vehicles. A used AWD CR-V could get me to work, but it doesn't have 475HP and extended leather. The SRT has better performance and better interior materials.
Do you buy the cheapest possible food? After all, it's approved by the FDA. Do you drive on the cheapest possible Chinese tires? After all, they are approved by the DOT. If you don't, are you just paying more for exclusivity?
What HPL product would be anyoneās ā*** ?hey Overkill... one person's "better" is another person's "*** would anyone spend that sort of money"
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That doesn't really address my point. You are chirping people for spending their money on something you feel is superfluous, but I suspect you do the same in many aspects of your own life because you believe these things are objectively better.hey Overkill... one person's "better" is another person's "*** would anyone spend that sort of money"
That is a true statement. But because itās a government contract, we are not in a position to discuss HPL contractual details.an un named Government fleet drives 180 million fleet miles a year?( FWIW most guvmint agencies use a low bid approach but lets leave that out of the mix) and uses a product promoted almost exclusively on this forum? Lets do the math, that means if the average Government fleet vehicle was driven 50k a year ( 1000 miles a week for those of you from Rio Linda
I wonder which Government fleet it is. ?
So, we are not going to speculate here, but @SubieRubyRoo is correct in the miles and experience.
Speculative posts will be redacted.
Itās quite clear where you stand. Now youāre just trolling.hey Overkill... one person's "better" is another person's "*** would anyone spend that sort of money"
HAHAHAHA Bob Oilman and his 05 Camry. Classic. Dude is probably all about the No VII HPL.
Exactly, and the actual number is even higher than that; being ex-military I know government tends to really overdo things especially on quantity.
However, when presented with the actual numbers of vehicles, OCIs, overall vehicle mileages, and stunning lack of failures when compared to the general population (especially the folks who think their 3.5 EcoBoost is going to self-destruct if they go 2 miles over 5k OCIs), my mind was simultaneously blown at the scope and suitability of HPL for my needs.
Just because one canāt fathom how good a product is nor how wide a companyās footprint can be while not being considered āmainstreamā does not mean that company doesnāt deliver on every promise it makes.
And if he runs it 25-30k or more like heās probably able to, Bob is a smart dude.
Just because thereās a spec, doesnāt mean it actually amounts to much. The test relevance to real-world use is what matters. In these regards, ACEA certs figuratively wipe their butts with API āspecsā.yeah, but aren't all modern motor oils meeting multiple specs VERY good no matter the cost factor thereby lending credence to the old adage when a difference makes no difference, go with the cheapest.
