yea it still paper end cap type
Should I give fram TG a try over FL820S ?
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Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: stickybuns
Fram ToughGuard and Fram Ultra's best attributes are:
1. Not make by Purolator like the Motorcraft is (tears).
2. Better filtering efficiency and dirty capacity before clogging.
3. I can't think of a third one.
3. The MC has steel end caps and the TG has paper end caps.
Use the MC. And, One Filter, One OCI!
Paper end caps? Exaggerate much?
Just what I read.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: stickybuns
Fram ToughGuard and Fram Ultra's best attributes are:
1. Not make by Purolator like the Motorcraft is (tears).
2. Better filtering efficiency and dirty capacity before clogging.
3. I can't think of a third one.
3. The MC has steel end caps and the TG has paper end caps.
Use the MC. And, One Filter, One OCI!
Paper end caps? Exaggerate much?
Just what I read.
Originally Posted By: MetalSlug
Well I finally caught BITOG Fram TG bug. I would like give this a try. Will it better then FL820S on the ADBV, because I believe motocraft ADBV is superior . It look different and beefy then most ADBV.
Get an OCOD. They're the best.
Well I finally caught BITOG Fram TG bug. I would like give this a try. Will it better then FL820S on the ADBV, because I believe motocraft ADBV is superior . It look different and beefy then most ADBV.
Get an OCOD. They're the best.
Originally Posted By: yvon_la
Fram eg is for conventional oil.tg is for blend of synth and conventional.and lastly ultra is for full synthetic.or so one of ffam saleman or women say!
Yeah I bet they say that.
Fram eg is for conventional oil.tg is for blend of synth and conventional.and lastly ultra is for full synthetic.or so one of ffam saleman or women say!
Yeah I bet they say that.
Originally Posted By: 123Saab
FWIW, On my 03 Ranger I used P1 once and had startup rattle.
With the 820s, Nice and quiet.
No clue why that is, But it is enough for me to stick to MC on My Ford.
Good reason. I have a P-Classic on my truck and it ticks less than the Napa Gold that came off. Odd.
FWIW, On my 03 Ranger I used P1 once and had startup rattle.
With the 820s, Nice and quiet.
No clue why that is, But it is enough for me to stick to MC on My Ford.
Good reason. I have a P-Classic on my truck and it ticks less than the Napa Gold that came off. Odd.
The TG is superior to the MC in repsect to durability and efficiency.
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Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
The TG is superior to the MC in repsect to durability and efficiency.
I think you'd have to prove durability. The FL-820S is not a Purolator classic and it has the threaded-end bypass that Ford prefers.
Regarding efficiency, the FL-820S is 93.7% @ 20 microns. Yes, the TG is more efficient but the difference isn't huge. In comparison, the Honda A02 is 66.5% and the Toyota 90915 is 51.0%.
The TG is superior to the MC in repsect to durability and efficiency.
I think you'd have to prove durability. The FL-820S is not a Purolator classic and it has the threaded-end bypass that Ford prefers.
Regarding efficiency, the FL-820S is 93.7% @ 20 microns. Yes, the TG is more efficient but the difference isn't huge. In comparison, the Honda A02 is 66.5% and the Toyota 90915 is 51.0%.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Media tears allow quicker oiling system envelopment and less ticking.
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Okie dokie.
Media tears allow quicker oiling system envelopment and less ticking.
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Okie dokie.
TG has a stronger paint job and burst strength AFAIK.
The latest 820s that was posted has terribly wavy pleats and it was only at 5000 miles. The TG is rated for double that. The wavy pleats aren't necessarily bad, but I personally would prefer something a bit more stout like the TG.
The 820s on my dads truck is about done and will have about 5500 miles on it. I can't wait to cut it open, but I fear it will be the last MC filter I run.
The 820s on my dads truck is about done and will have about 5500 miles on it. I can't wait to cut it open, but I fear it will be the last MC filter I run.
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Originally Posted By: dlundblad
The latest 820s that was posted has terribly wavy pleats and it was only at 5000 miles. The TG is rated for double that. The wavy pleats aren't necessarily bad, but I personally would prefer something a bit more stout like the TG.
The 820s on my dads truck is about done and will have about 5500 miles on it. I can't wait to cut it open, but I fear it will be the last MC filter I run.
The Motorcraft isn't "rated" for anything other than the factory OCI. And mine certainly haven't been "done" at 5K.
FRAM also states:
Originally Posted By: FRAM
1 Follow recommended change intervals as noted in your vehicle owner's manual
If the OLM on an F-150 takes the truck past 10K miles, then the FL-820S is good for that
The latest 820s that was posted has terribly wavy pleats and it was only at 5000 miles. The TG is rated for double that. The wavy pleats aren't necessarily bad, but I personally would prefer something a bit more stout like the TG.
The 820s on my dads truck is about done and will have about 5500 miles on it. I can't wait to cut it open, but I fear it will be the last MC filter I run.
The Motorcraft isn't "rated" for anything other than the factory OCI. And mine certainly haven't been "done" at 5K.
FRAM also states:
Originally Posted By: FRAM
1 Follow recommended change intervals as noted in your vehicle owner's manual
If the OLM on an F-150 takes the truck past 10K miles, then the FL-820S is good for that
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Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
TG has a stronger paint job and burst strength AFAIK.
A stronger paint job? LOL!!!
I see no mention of burst strength listed for the FL-820S nor by FRAM for the TG2:
http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=TG2
I think you are reaching a bit at this point
TG has a stronger paint job and burst strength AFAIK.
A stronger paint job? LOL!!!
I see no mention of burst strength listed for the FL-820S nor by FRAM for the TG2:
http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=TG2
I think you are reaching a bit at this point
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
The latest 820s that was posted has terribly wavy pleats and it was only at 5000 miles. The TG is rated for double that. The wavy pleats aren't necessarily bad, but I personally would prefer something a bit more stout like the TG.
The 820s on my dads truck is about done and will have about 5500 miles on it. I can't wait to cut it open, but I fear it will be the last MC filter I run.
The Motorcraft isn't "rated" for anything other than the factory OCI. And mine certainly haven't been "done" at 5K.
FRAM also states:
Originally Posted By: FRAM
1 Follow recommended change intervals as noted in your vehicle owner's manual
If the OLM on an F-150 takes the truck past 10K miles, then the FL-820S is good for that
I never said it was "rated" for anything. I just said an 820s was one posted here that had 5000 miles on it with very wavy pleats. Since the TG is rated for 10,000, I can see it easily passing the MC in durability.
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
The latest 820s that was posted has terribly wavy pleats and it was only at 5000 miles. The TG is rated for double that. The wavy pleats aren't necessarily bad, but I personally would prefer something a bit more stout like the TG.
The 820s on my dads truck is about done and will have about 5500 miles on it. I can't wait to cut it open, but I fear it will be the last MC filter I run.
The Motorcraft isn't "rated" for anything other than the factory OCI. And mine certainly haven't been "done" at 5K.
FRAM also states:
Originally Posted By: FRAM
1 Follow recommended change intervals as noted in your vehicle owner's manual
If the OLM on an F-150 takes the truck past 10K miles, then the FL-820S is good for that
I never said it was "rated" for anything. I just said an 820s was one posted here that had 5000 miles on it with very wavy pleats. Since the TG is rated for 10,000, I can see it easily passing the MC in durability.
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Originally Posted By: dlundblad
I never said it was "rated" for anything. I just said an 820s was one posted here that had 5000 miles on it with very wavy pleats. Since the TG is rated for 10,000, I can see it easily passing the MC in durability.
And I've pulled a TG with 3,000 miles on it and it had wavy pleats. Guess that means it is rated for half the Motorcraft interval? (whatever that is)
We are judging durability based on wavy pleats now?
This is like hyperbole after hyperbole here. The OEM filter is rated for the OEM OCI. The TG is recommended for up to 10K miles, or the OEM interval, whichever is shorter. There really isn't a difference there.
The TG is an excellent filter. So is the FL-820S. Neither has its media woven from Hercules' pubic hair nor its canister hand formed by Zeus. While I get that FRAM is the flavour of the month on BITOG right now I think we need to reign in the fanboyism/hysteria a tad.
BTW, this is a Motorcraft with 8,000 miles on it out of my Expedition (pulled in October):
I'm not trying to be rude, so please don't take my post that way. I just see a lot of pretty wild "FRAM IS THE BEST!!!" vs "insert other filter here" as of late in the filter section and some of it seems to be getting a little out of hand. They are certainly top-ranked in efficiency, particularly the Ultra, which is probably the best filter available at its price point, no argument from me there. But when we start talking about "more durable" and "stronger paint" and then basing these statements on some pictures of wavy pleats and God knows what else I think we've taken a bit of a departure from reality in terms of what can be proven by looking at a few pics on the Internet and what can't.
I never said it was "rated" for anything. I just said an 820s was one posted here that had 5000 miles on it with very wavy pleats. Since the TG is rated for 10,000, I can see it easily passing the MC in durability.
And I've pulled a TG with 3,000 miles on it and it had wavy pleats. Guess that means it is rated for half the Motorcraft interval? (whatever that is)
We are judging durability based on wavy pleats now?
This is like hyperbole after hyperbole here. The OEM filter is rated for the OEM OCI. The TG is recommended for up to 10K miles, or the OEM interval, whichever is shorter. There really isn't a difference there.
The TG is an excellent filter. So is the FL-820S. Neither has its media woven from Hercules' pubic hair nor its canister hand formed by Zeus. While I get that FRAM is the flavour of the month on BITOG right now I think we need to reign in the fanboyism/hysteria a tad.
BTW, this is a Motorcraft with 8,000 miles on it out of my Expedition (pulled in October):
I'm not trying to be rude, so please don't take my post that way. I just see a lot of pretty wild "FRAM IS THE BEST!!!" vs "insert other filter here" as of late in the filter section and some of it seems to be getting a little out of hand. They are certainly top-ranked in efficiency, particularly the Ultra, which is probably the best filter available at its price point, no argument from me there. But when we start talking about "more durable" and "stronger paint" and then basing these statements on some pictures of wavy pleats and God knows what else I think we've taken a bit of a departure from reality in terms of what can be proven by looking at a few pics on the Internet and what can't.
At less than four bucks, the MC filter is a great value.
For the drain intervals you're doing, a less than two buck oil filter would probably be fine.
Fram TG?
If you want to give it a try, then why not?
I don't think that you'd gain anything, though.
For the drain intervals you're doing, a less than two buck oil filter would probably be fine.
Fram TG?
If you want to give it a try, then why not?
I don't think that you'd gain anything, though.
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
The latest 820s that was posted has terribly wavy pleats and it was only at 5000 miles. The TG is rated for double that. The wavy pleats aren't necessarily bad, but I personally would prefer something a bit more stout like the TG.
The 820s on my dads truck is about done and will have about 5500 miles on it. I can't wait to cut it open, but I fear it will be the last MC filter I run.
The Motorcraft isn't "rated" for anything other than the factory OCI. And mine certainly haven't been "done" at 5K.
FRAM also states:
Originally Posted By: FRAM
1 Follow recommended change intervals as noted in your vehicle owner's manual
If the OLM on an F-150 takes the truck past 10K miles, then the FL-820S is good for that
I never said it was "rated" for anything. I just said an 820s was one posted here that had 5000 miles on it with very wavy pleats. Since the TG is rated for 10,000, I can see it easily passing the MC in durability.
Let's not forget the elephant in the room; the TG has paper end caps VS the MC's steel end caps.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
The latest 820s that was posted has terribly wavy pleats and it was only at 5000 miles. The TG is rated for double that. The wavy pleats aren't necessarily bad, but I personally would prefer something a bit more stout like the TG.
The 820s on my dads truck is about done and will have about 5500 miles on it. I can't wait to cut it open, but I fear it will be the last MC filter I run.
The Motorcraft isn't "rated" for anything other than the factory OCI. And mine certainly haven't been "done" at 5K.
FRAM also states:
Originally Posted By: FRAM
1 Follow recommended change intervals as noted in your vehicle owner's manual
If the OLM on an F-150 takes the truck past 10K miles, then the FL-820S is good for that
I never said it was "rated" for anything. I just said an 820s was one posted here that had 5000 miles on it with very wavy pleats. Since the TG is rated for 10,000, I can see it easily passing the MC in durability.
Let's not forget the elephant in the room; the TG has paper end caps VS the MC's steel end caps.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
The TG is an excellent filter. So is the FL-820S. Neither has its media woven from Hercules' pubic hair nor its canister hand formed by Zeus.
^^^
Well, we know Purolators can't have media woven from Hurcules' pubic hair, otherwise it would never tear ...
The TG is an excellent filter. So is the FL-820S. Neither has its media woven from Hercules' pubic hair nor its canister hand formed by Zeus.
^^^
Well, we know Purolators can't have media woven from Hurcules' pubic hair, otherwise it would never tear ...
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