Shell Rotella Gas Truck

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by PimTac
Additives are now antioxidants. I guess that sounds better to consumers.

Contains tomato juice!

 

[1978elcamino]

Originally Posted by PimTac
Additives are now antioxidants. I guess that sounds better to consumers.


like blueberries and pomegranate! Its good for you and has to be good for your rod bearings and cam lobes too!

 

[BLND1]

I'm not saying that this is what is happening, but this is what it LOOKS like.

A quick timeline on stealth marketing:

1. SGT is rolled out. Initial board responses are skeptical (the norm for this board, because if it isn't green or GTL in a "conventional", people are bored).

2. SOPUS (Shell) offers to do a Q&A on SGT because of "all of the board interest."

3. Shell Q&A falls flat, marketing parroted answers don't resonate well.

4. Subsequent threads on SGT are tepid at best, antagonistic at worst.

Enter THIS thread:

1. Low post count user (one in this case) expresses interest in SGT. "Hey, first time poster, etc." Expresses interest in slightly more technical aspects of SGT (the very things Shell couldn't or wouldn't discuss in its Q&A). Mentions support of Mobil 1 to start comparison fixing and show an unbiased opinion.

2. Responses to initial post are skeptical and dismissive.

3. SECOND low post count user chimes in, "hey first time poster here, I'm also interested...seems to be xxx (low price) at WM, etc."

4. Response is ambivalent at best.

5. Higher post count user with a history of Shell/SOPUS support chimes in with comparisons to mobil 1 AP (high performance product) and "shell is right," "it hits the target market's needs," and "I trust SOPUS," along with other boiler plate facts that push the narrative.

6. Somehow we end up talking about whether blueberries are a better antioxidant choice for high mileage oils.


YMMV.

 

[PimTac]

Originally Posted by BLND1
I'm not saying that this is what is happening, but this is what it LOOKS like.

A quick timeline on stealth marketing:

1. SGT is rolled out. Initial board responses are skeptical (the norm for this board, because if it isn't green or GTL in a "conventional", people are bored).

2. SOPUS (Shell) offers to do a Q&A on SGT because of "all of the board interest."

3. Shell Q&A falls flat, marketing parroted answers don't resonate well.

4. Subsequent threads on SGT are tepid at best, antagonistic at worst.

Enter THIS thread:

1. Low post count user (one in this case) expresses interest in SGT. "Hey, first time poster, etc." Expresses interest in slightly more technical aspects of SGT (the very things Shell couldn't or wouldn't discuss in its Q&A). Mentions support of Mobil 1 to start comparison fixing and show an unbiased opinion.

2. Responses to initial post are skeptical and dismissive.

3. SECOND low post count user chimes in, "hey first time poster here, I'm also interested...seems to be xxx (low price) at WM, etc."

4. Response is ambivalent at best.

5. Higher post count user with a history of Shell/SOPUS support chimes in with comparisons to mobil 1 AP (high performance product) and "shell is right," "it hits the target market's needs," and "I trust SOPUS," along with other boiler plate facts that push the narrative.

6. Somehow we end up talking about whether blueberries are a better antioxidant choice for high mileage oils.


YMMV.




Are you suggesting the new posters are Shell social media representatives trying to sway opinion?

Interesting thought.

 

[BLND1]

I posted an abbreviated timeline and set of observations, and mentioned no names.

Whether or not those are completely representative of the state of affairs is debatable.

 

[PimTac]

I understand. It's a touchy area.

 

[Jimmy_Russells]

I have no doubt this product likely offers some benefit, but whether or not that benefit is really tangible remains to be seen.

I'm kind of surprised oil manufacturers haven't tried a 'DI specific' oil marketing angle yet.

 

[ford4wd08]

Originally Posted by 1978elcamino
Originally Posted by ford4wd08
First time poster as well.... I am interested in using this in my 2.7 Ecoboost....

I'm seeing prices on here for ~$24 for the 5 quart jug at Walmart. I haven't had a chance to see if they stock it at my store yet or not.


This shell gas truck oil cost 1 dollar more per 5qt jug vs the motorcraft oil at WM. So my f150 with the 5.0 will cost 2 dollars more vs motorcraft per oil change. Once members post analysis's we can actually see if its worth the extra two bucks with my vehicle. My guess would say it is, but at 24 bucks there are multiple choices for that price point.


The 5.0 and Ecoboost have different oil needs from what I understand. You have a port injected V8. You don't have to worry about the DI problems as much as an ecoboost does and fuel dilution.

The 5w20 Synthetic blend by Motorcraft has always treated me well in my previous Ford V8's, just from what I am reading the SRGT might be a tad better due to full synthetic and thicker visocity for a 5w-30.

 

[Whimsey]

Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
I have no doubt this product likely offers some benefit, but whether or not that benefit is really tangible remains to be seen.

I'm kind of surprised oil manufacturers haven't tried a 'DI specific' oil marketing angle yet.

Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
I have no doubt this product likely offers some benefit, but whether or not that benefit is really tangible remains to be seen.

I'm kind of surprised oil manufacturers haven't tried a 'DI specific' oil marketing angle yet.


That's probably because most people don't change their own oil and haven't the foggiest idea of what a DI engine means or care about it. Maybe that's something quick lube places can market to and make extra money on

. Sad to say I feel that DIY oil changes are becoming less and less with the younger generations.

Whimsey

 

[ford4wd08]

Originally Posted by BLND1
I'm not saying that this is what is happening, but this is what it LOOKS like.

A quick timeline on stealth marketing:

1. SGT is rolled out. Initial board responses are skeptical (the norm for this board, because if it isn't green or GTL in a "conventional", people are bored).

2. SOPUS (Shell) offers to do a Q&A on SGT because of "all of the board interest."

3. Shell Q&A falls flat, marketing parroted answers don't resonate well.

4. Subsequent threads on SGT are tepid at best, antagonistic at worst.

Enter THIS thread:

1. Low post count user (one in this case) expresses interest in SGT. "Hey, first time poster, etc." Expresses interest in slightly more technical aspects of SGT (the very things Shell couldn't or wouldn't discuss in its Q&A). Mentions support of Mobil 1 to start comparison fixing and show an unbiased opinion.

2. Responses to initial post are skeptical and dismissive.

3. SECOND low post count user chimes in, "hey first time poster here, I'm also interested...seems to be xxx (low price) at WM, etc."

4. Response is ambivalent at best.

5. Higher post count user with a history of Shell/SOPUS support chimes in with comparisons to mobil 1 AP (high performance product) and "shell is right," "it hits the target market's needs," and "I trust SOPUS," along with other boiler plate facts that push the narrative.

6. Somehow we end up talking about whether blueberries are a better antioxidant choice for high mileage oils.


YMMV.


I'm a real user, who just bought my Ecoboost in January. I have never owned a Ecoboost or DI engine. I have always had overhead cam Triton engines and used the synthetic Blend 5w-20 from Motorcraft that I know is a Conoco Phillips Oil.

I have never owned a truck with less than 75,000 miles. My new truck has 36,000 miles on it as of today. I am trying to pick an oil that is easy to access and will work well for my application.

I know there is more than one way to skin a cat as they say.

Sometimes marketing for a good product works. That's why I am on here asking about the new oil SOPUS has put out. I have also had good luck with Rotella conventional in the past on a previous truck.

I am an BSME in education and a Quality Engineer by trade, so research on these topics is why I'm here on BITOG.

I have to admit, I'm new to the oil game, but I came here to learn and ask questions.

I frequent many other forums and now decided to join and post on this one to learn more.

No conspiracy here......

 

[oil_film_movies]

Originally Posted by 1978elcamino
Originally Posted by PimTac
Additives are now antioxidants. I guess that sounds better to consumers.
like blueberries and pomegranate! Its good for you and has to be good for your rod bearings and cam lobes too!

The truth is Anti-oxidants have a very important chemical function in motor oils.
Start with:
https://www.amsoil.com/newsstand/articles/the-role-of-additives-in-motor-oil/
Take a look at Page 7 of:
https://www.palmerholland.com/Asset...0stocks%20Brochure%20November%202015.pdf
Then maybe graduate to:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8030257.html
https://www.stle.org/images/pdf/STL...ve%20Lubricants_tlt%20article_Sept08.pdf

 

[oil_film_movies]

Originally Posted by ford4wd08
I am an BSME in education and a Quality Engineer by trade, so research on these topics is why I'm here on BITOG.

I have to admit, I'm new to the oil game, but I came here to learn and ask questions.

I frequent many other forums and now decided to join and post on this one to learn more.

No conspiracy here......


Ignore the cynics. Sometimes these threads get an influx of ignorance.
I'd go with Rotella Gas Truck due to Shell having an excellent reputation alone. Then, add the fact that they have the intellectual property (IP) to produce great products, this oil has dexos1 Gen2 approval, and some extra viscosity to battle high temperatures & possible fuel dilutiion. Price is cheap at Walmart too.

I don't know yet if its made up of mostly Group3+ base stocks like Shell's Pennzoil Platinum sister product. It could be Group3 only. Group3+ performs very well in the cold & is about as stable as PAO (Group4).

 

[ford4wd08]

Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Originally Posted by ford4wd08
I am an BSME in education and a Quality Engineer by trade, so research on these topics is why I'm here on BITOG.

I have to admit, I'm new to the oil game, but I came here to learn and ask questions.

I frequent many other forums and now decided to join and post on this one to learn more.

No conspiracy here......


Ignore the cynics. Sometimes these threads get an influx of ignorance.
I'd go with Rotella Gas Truck due to Shell having an excellent reputation alone. Then, add the fact that they have the intellectual property (IP) to produce great products, this oil has dexos1 Gen2 approval, and some extra viscosity to battle high temperatures & possible fuel dilutiion. Price is cheap at Walmart too.

I don't know yet if its made up of mostly Group3+ base stocks like Shell's Pennzoil Platinum sister product. It could be Group3 only. Group3+ performs very well in the cold & is about as stable as PAO (Group4).


Thank you for the comment.

These are my thoughts as well.

I confirmed it is at my Walmart tonight for the reported ~$24 a 5 quart bottle.

I think that is a pretty good deal myself.....

 

[Dragon44]

Lol I'm active duty military and have no affiliation with them lol it was a genuine question.

 

[Dragon44]

Shell's Q&A fizzled out and didn't get the reception they hoped for. Now we are seeing several 1 post count new members here "really interested in gas truck, anyone have any good info?"

Please. [/quote]

Lol I'm active duty military lol I have no affiliation with them. It was a genuine question

 

[Dragon44]

Thanks to some of the guys who gave some help I appreciate it.

 

[PimTac]

It's just too new to be able to show any analysis or experience with it.

 

[oil_film_movies]

Originally Posted by PimTac
It's just too new to be able to show any analysis or experience with it.
To me, the usual Blackstone or PQIA or other oil analysis we see on these forums don't tell us one of the most important things, being Piston Deposits. Just about every oil does a good job of controlling wear (low iron ppm in an analysis). How black the pistons get is something in the performance specs like dexos1, SN, etc., except there are probably oils that barely meet their spec and those that do better.

It comes down to trusting the engineers at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUr7-Ug1Uqc Shell's Houston center.

It would be good to know how this "new" oil is related in formulation to all the other Shell syn oils that can be used in gasoline engines:
1. Pennzoil Platinum PurePlus (Group3+)
2. Quaker State Ultimate Durability
3. Shell Rotella T6 Multi-Vehicle
--- all SOPUS products
And then there is the link Exxon-Mobil and Shell SOPUS has, as they both own the additive company https://www.infineum.com/en/about-us/overview/ , which might mean the popular Mobil1 synthetics could be related to this Shell Rotella Gas Truck as well.

 

[BLND1]

Post falls off the front page? Let's bring it back with another round of SOPUS marketing and comparison fixing. Mobil1 again, I guess we can tell who the market leader is.

None of what oil film movies posted had anything do with what PImTac said.

I guess we should just "trust shell's engineers," at shells Houston center, no less. *insert handy marketing link*

"By the way, check out these other great SOPUS products for gas engines."

"Oh hey by the way, Mobil1 and SGT might even share the same or similar add packs, so here's another example of comparison fixing to mobil1."
*insert relavent Infineum link*

I'll stop being a broken record now.

 

[PimTac]

If I was going to run a Shell product I would just go with Pennzoil Platinum. Easily available everywhere and at lower prices. It doesn't say TRUCK on the jug but millions of trucks and suv have been using it all this time.