Roadrage gone all WRONG!!!

[OriginHacker21]

I would say this video worked together pretty well to be something that really happened. I mean, the 0-60 runs and what not - that seemed to be staged in my opinion. The part where the BMW dude's wife goes to take the camera - come on - no one would ever do that - all the toyota dude has to do is grab her and demand that the BMW guy drop the gun. Could have gotten bad quick.

Either way, road rage shows the worst of humanity in my opinion. Along with other posters - I've gotten hostility for following the speedlimit. Now, I usually follow the speed of traffic (usually 5-10mph over limit). I've seen some bad roadrage but never anything this long like the movie.

Either case - call 911 right away on your cell phone and say you are being harassed - stay in your car - and don't do aggressive things (such as fast take offs, fingers, etc...) - in my experience - the road rage wears of quickly if you don't respond to it.

When I have responded to road rage - the offender (a woman of all people) slammed on their brakes and tried to get out of their car to come at me in the middle of traffic - I just turned off at a parking lot at a Vons grocery store - they didn't follow. fun fun.

 

[427Z06]

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What if the goobers in the pick-up were packing too?

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Same as a fist fight. The guy that gets the first shot in is usually the victor. Indecisiveness kills.

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No doubt. The first unprovoked goober that comes at me with a baseball bat while I'm packing won't have time to utter a second syllable before he drops.

But in the civilian world, the concept is to avoid the fight, not provoke it. That is, unless you want to spend a lot of money and time in courtrooms. Then there's the girlfriend/wife situation. Unless she's packing and combat trained, what's to prevent one of them getting a lucky shot off on her.

 

[cousincletus]

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FAKE. When was the last time you saw:

1)Rednecks in a toyota.
2)Rednecks in Canada.

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LOL! Good call.

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The nicest people drive imports. Haha.

 

[BOBISTHEOILGUY]

first, you never ever pull over for a fight.
I have seen truckers do stupid things from time to time. since I have a class a lic and drive from time to time an 18wheeler I see a lot of people cut me off. they don't realize that the space in front of the tractor is for safety reasons not to let someone in front of you. It takes longer for and 18 to slow down. but since they are now ahead it makes them no difference.

I see where people stop on the hwy since they missed their exit and wait to get over thereby causing a traffic jam.

the other thing is the sign says "slower traffic keep right" not if your doing the speed limit you can stay left. if you are slower than the guy behind you, move over to the right. It makes no difference what speed they are doing, 100 or 10mph. remember, "SLOWER TRAFFIC keep right".

thats my 2cents worth.
bob

 

[buster]

haa. Stupid rednecks. I've seen this video before. I've had several confrontations before while driving. In today's world with so many people packing heat, I won't pull over. I don't want to get shot.

 

[Cujet]

Can't say if it is real or not. But very much the same thing happened to me. AND, the behavior was the same! Chilling actually.

If it is a fake, the producer had a very good understanding of human nature.

Chris

 

[OriginHacker21]

Quick question for Police Officers here: If the BMW guy had been a cop - he could have arrested the two as soon as they got out of the truck and pulled a bat right? Or at least called a unit and had them arrest the truck for disrupting the peace or something?

 

[simple_gifts]

Independent of whether this is real....

It would be curious to sit in a courtroom and watch a prosecutor rip the BMW guy to shreds had shots been fired.

So you left a well travelled highway in broad daylight down a dirt road while being followed and taunted? Why didn't you travel to a crowded area?

Did you have a cell phone?

Have you heard of the 911 service? Why did you not call it?

This guy would have been in heaps of legal doo doo; certainly not cut and dry "self defense" since he contributed to the situation which caused him to draw a gun; many other options were available. Take the gun in this situation away, were his actions intelligent; not really. He stopped and got out of the car with his wife there with two belligerant guys? This guy lucked out.

Not taking the side of the followers, sometimes I get the impression that some people who carry look for a reason to use it. 100's of other ways to deal with that situation than leading them down a road and pulling a gun.

 

[Kestas]

Around here there was a case where two women got into road rage. At a stop, one lady stepped out of her car to confront the second lady. The second lady pulled out a gun and shot her, claiming self-defense. In court she was asked why she pulled the trigger when just showing the gun would have been enough.

It appears the second lady overreacted, giving credence to simple gifts' observation of "looking for a reason to use it".

 

[MarkC]

Given a lot of comments I've read here and elsewhere, there are many people who it seems would like nothing better than the opportunity to shoot somebody and claim they had it coming.

 

[Quickbeam]

What simple gifts said. Right or wrong had that gotten out of control the guy in the BMW would've been in deep legal doo-doo in a majority of states. As for sending his wife for the camera so what? What was the hick going to do? When you're the only one with a bullet launcher you're holding all the cards.

 

[simple_gifts]

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What was the hick going to do?

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Take a hostage?

 

[TomJones76]

That basically looks real; had it been scripted the insults would have been a little bit better thought out, wittier, and more planned. BMW guy's abuse towards our Canuckistanian terrorist friends would certainly have been more eloquent were this a show.
A drawn firearm is certainly *NOT* a good reason to put yourself in this kind of situation.
For anyone who doesn't understand that last paragraph, I suggest reading about the 21-foot rule and some real-life training discoveries regarding firearm draw time and effectiveness. [1]
BMW guy got away with it, sure. Remember the part where the hillbilly spends time rummaging through the back of his truck for his baseball bat? What if he'd bum-rushed the BMW the moment he stopped, and had the bat in the cab and not the truck bed? What if his friend had done the same thing. Want to lay odds on an armed civilian actually being able to disable both of them while maintaining custody of the gun then?
I've often noticed that the craziest drivers out there seem to drive BMWs, Pontiacs and pick-up trucks. Plenty of nice guys driving those vehicles, too, but when I saw this tape I told my wife that if we just had a guy in a Pontiac involved we'd have won the tri-fecta.
Seriously, life is short and precious; I'm a family man now with people I love depending on me, and no way I'm getting into any fight with a stranger that I have any way of avoiding. I have NO IDEA what the guy I'll be driving next to on the way to work Tuesday has in his car; I had a college buddy who used to keep an Ingram on his passenger seat. The same guy spent years training as a boxer, and I happen to know I can't lay a finger on him if he doesn't let me land it. That guy, now a lawyer, oddly, could kill me without breaking a sweat or having to think very hard about it.
Don't drive like a jerk, don't respond to jerks, and if you get hassled, keep the doors locked, the windows up, and keep rolling. I've met enough complete nutjobs to know that a fool will do terrible things for no good reason, and I got no desire to found out how insane the next guy I meet is.
As to whether or not you could arrest the guy once he hopped out of the truck and retrieving his bat, absolutely. Try to make a good excuse for getting the bat in that situation that doesn't involve at the least simple assault by threatening someone and you'll have an excuse no jury in this country would buy!
I wonder if BMW guy has gotten arrested yet for this whole stunt? He certainly comitted armed robbery on tape.
I can't decide who was stupider... him for publishing the video clip or the guys in the pickup for videotaping their own felony shenanigans.
If I'm going to break the law, I'm going to make the cops provide evidence against me; I'm not going to manufacture it for them and hand it to 'em on a silver platter. That whole thing is so stupid it makes my head want to explode.

[1] http://www.usadojo.com/articles/21-feet-valid.htm

 

[Don Stefanik]

In my opinion it's a fake.
Who in their right mind would keep videoing with a gun pointed at them ??!!!!
Also the girl looks like she almost had a smirk on her face.
15 minutes of fame for them.

 

[4esorselrahc]

Definitley fake.

 

[toocrazy2yoo]

Simple Gifts:

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It would be curious to sit in a courtroom and watch a prosecutor rip the BMW guy to shreds had shots been fired.

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In Va., unlike anywhere north of Maryland clear up to Vermont where you get your rights back, we're allowed to defend our lives out on the street, within and around our domain and that includes our cars. In Va., I believe with the camera film rolling videotape before the Grand Jury, the shooting of the bat-wielder would have been a "good" shooting. The endless tailing, the cut-off at the bottom of the cul-de-sac, and then the approach of the redneck with the bat would 100% have justified two in the chest. His running mate, as long as he got nose-in-the-dirt and behaved himself til the cops showed up, I'd let him live, but the bat-guy?

Toast.

Surely the world is better off without furballs such as that stuck to the surface, breathing the air, burning the gas, food and water.

 

[MarkC]

If you know how to shoot, why do you need to use two in the chest instead of one in the leg?

 

[Pablo]

I would have just shot 'em both in the head and immediately posted the tape on youtube. Then I would have dumped the ugly girlfriend and bought myself a real hooker. And a real car, too.

 

[Oil Changer]

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If you know how to shoot, why do you need to use two in the chest instead of one in the leg?

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If you're gonna shoot, why not shoot to kill? Dead men tell no tales.

Legs are less of a target to shoot at ie. harder to hit, even for an accomplished shooter. And...

If you do hit the leg, there is a thing called the femoral artery. You can bleed someone out real quick if that is ruptured.

I was taught if you don't want to kill, to shoot the ground directly in front of the bad guy. Fragments from the ground spraying up coupled with the muzzle blast has a serious psychological effect on a person, even causing them to think that they have been struck by a bullet. This technique would have been effective because of the gravel road and the fact that the bad guys really are not bad.

 

[toocrazy2yoo]

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If you know how to shoot, why do you need to use two in the chest instead of one in the leg?

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That's not how it's taught. You shoot to kill, not to disable. Your life is threatened or it isn't. Further, you have to consider your tactical situation. What's your backstop in the event of a miss or exit of a round through the perpetrator? Traffic? A park? Homes? You don't want to hit a bystander. Therefore, a center of mass, thoractic hit is the best fire solution as that's the area that offers the most resistance to an exit of the round. Other issues need to be considered such as whether to carry hollowpoints or ball ammunition, revolver or semi-auto, caliber, and the power of the load.

Head shot? Leg shot? Only in the movies. The head is too small to use for a target as a practical matter, and most professional agencies don't recommend or train a head shot except for snipers in a hostage or other must-kill-now situation. Do head shots occur? Sure, but in police shootings, that's incidental, not intended, for the most part.

NRA self defense training here advises center of the mass double-taps, evaluate, double-tap. It's about stopping the fight, ending the threat to your life. That's the only justification. These folks with large caliber, long barrel handguns in apartment buildings, driving around in their cars, or in public are clueless. These issues are a complex combination of tactics, weapon and ammunition selection-considerations, nerves and legal liabilities. Most folks, even those with CCW permits, haven't even begun to scratch the surface of the many, many issues surrounding the use of firearms for self-defense. In Va., liberal as they are with CCW permits, you WILL be examined by a Grand Jury in the event of a shooting, so you need to really think about it, study, practice, and use your imagination as to how it will affect your life going forward if you ever DID kill someone, justified or not, with your CCW.

I for one, feel there's been a complete lack of attention paid to the tactical side of CCW training, which is what leads to questions such as the above, absolutely no offense intended to MarkC.