ram_man's condensed Dodge Dart oil thread

[BreakerBreaker]

Why are we jumping all over the OP.

I think he will be fine with 5W, but. I'd probably go 0W as well. If I had the money.

Walmart 5W-x0 is always there, so, I've used 5W my last change, since I buy more expensive and 0W-x0 oil when my budget lets me..

I do not notice a difference between the two.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Brybo86
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
OP watch this video and pay attention at 2:22



Here is the ultimate answer, but in reality it will never get that cold in Mizurrah. I would stick with a 5wXX at least though


It's only the ultimate answer if the OP is going to be experiencing -40C/F rather than the mentioned 5-10 below...at those tmeperatures, none of the scary stuff that's shown in the Esso videos is going to happen, as none of the oils are going to be anywhere near their limits of pumpability.

OP, the 5W will be OK, but preferably, you should use what your manual offers as the correct grade.

 

[Merkava_4]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
OP, the 5W will be OK, but preferably, you should use what your manual offers as the correct grade.


I'm so happy my manual says 10W-30.

 

[EA82]

Give the guy a break, most of his posts are on the " General and off Topic " forum, discussing family issues.

 

[TFB1]

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Most normal people think 0W flows better than 5W. Nevermind that when you pull the dipstick with the engine hot, the oil evaporates off the dipstick.

That's a lie and you know it(or at least you should)... If such were true, engines would likely be getting 50 mi to a quart...

No I'm not a proponent of the xW-20 oils, all my stuff(six vehicles) gets 5/10W-30/40

 

[4wheeldog]

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Most normal people think 0W flows better than 5W. Nevermind that when you pull the dipstick with the engine hot, the oil evaporates off the dipstick.


Now you are just making stuff up. 0W meets the same requirements as 5W......It just meets more on the very cold end of the scale. Hot, it is the same or better.

 

[53' Stude]

Yeah ole' Merk thinks 10w30 and 20w50 or SAE 70 like top fuel cars is best for applications calling for 5w30. My dad that's retired with a 91 GMC truck with a v-8 doesn't use 10w30

 

[ram_man]

Originally Posted By: BreakerBreaker
Why are we jumping all over the OP.

I think he will be fine with 5W, but. I'd probably go 0W as well. If I had the money.

Walmart 5W-x0 is always there, so, I've used 5W my last change, since I buy more expensive and 0W-x0 oil when my budget lets me..

I do not notice a difference between the two.


O You know it's the typical keyboard bullies. They think they have every right to insult and belittle people.
I have no issue running a 0w oil my issue is at all three Walmarts in the area they don't carry it in qsud or pp or Castrol I'd prefer not to use Mobil products and valvoline is ok I had a bad experience with syn power once it was a 5w30 on a 02 Saturn I put it in and it was like the lifters couldn't pump up and hold pressure they rattled so bad and I do mean it was very loud and terrible. It was so bad I went out and bought a convetional 5w30 I think it may have been pennzoil and it started up ticked for a couple seconds and immediately was fine after that. That was the most noticeable and strangest thing I've ever experienced with an oil. My moms 09 focus also was very noisy in the cold months running synpower. She switched to pennzoil 5w20 and it sounded a lot better but by far the worst was the Saturn and that was in the summer time.
So I can get 0w20 if I'm ok with valvoline or Mobil but I'm not I'd prefer a sopus product or Castrol I've had great luck with both of them.

 

[aquariuscsm]

I always use the thickest oil recommended for my climate. For example,if your fsm says to use 5W30 below 0F and 10W30 at 0F and above,I'd use the 10W30.

 

[MinamiKotaro]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
I always use the thickest oil recommended for my climate. For example,if your fsm says to use 5W30 below 0F and 10W30 at 0F and above,I'd use the 10W30.


10w30 isn't thicker than 5w30 at most temperatures. Actually, many 10w30s are slightly thinner at 40c, 100c, and HTHS than their 5w30 counterparts.

 

[BigD1]

Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
Actually, many 10w30s are slightly thinner at 40c, 100c, and HTHS than their 5w30 counterparts.


Yes that's true, but I don't know why.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: BigD1
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
Actually, many 10w30s are slightly thinner at 40c, 100c, and HTHS than their 5w30 counterparts.


Yes that's true, but I don't know why.


Yeah same here,doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Shannow]

It depends on what the formulator is trying to do.

the 10W30 I put in my Caprice on Saturday is
KV40 - 85
KV100 - 12.4
VI - 142
HTHS >3.5
S.A. 1.22

 

[TFB1]

It would be nice if there was a thickness given at freezing and say 0F, could see how a 5W & 0W compare at real world temps(at least for most of us)... Unless one is in the extreme northern areas of the US or similar in Canada, knowing what the thickness at -30, -35 etc is useless for the remainder of us...

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: TFB1
It would be nice if there was a thickness given at freezing and say 0F, could see how a 5W & 0W compare at real world temps(at least for most of us)... Unless one is in the extreme northern areas of the US or similar in Canada, knowing what the thickness at -30, -35 etc is useless for the most of us...


I get what you are saying, and honestly think that 0C and 100C would make more sense than KV40 and KV100, but that's how it's always been done.

Really, once we are away from the limits of pumpability (the MRV and CCS), there's not really a difference in how quickly the different viscosities prime the system and get to where they need to be...

Yes there's a difference in pump relief flow, but that's of no consequence.

 

[TFB1]

I suppose it's Assumed a 0W will be at least as thin as a 5W at say 0*F or 0*C, but still real world numbers would be nice...

 

[BrocLuno]

Considering that cars and trucks ran fine in MO with 10W-30 for 60 odd years, the difference between 0W and 5W would be less than critical.. They both flow better cold than 10W which worked for a long time ...

 

[Oregoonian]

Originally Posted By: RazorsEdge
Originally Posted By: Rand
Walmarts by me carry M1 AFE, M1 EP, Valvoline, RP, and PP all in 0w20


They carry all of these as well here @ our Wallyworld.
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as well as QSUD 0w20....in several WM I've been to.

 

[RobertStevens]

Pennzoil pure plus, BMW gets 15k, change your filter every 5k. Easy enough to do.

 

[slacktide_bitog]

Assuming 10k is the factory-recommended OCI, any synthetic will be fine. Does your car have an OLM?

Edge, Synpower, and PP are all good choices. That said, Edge is the only one that meets European ACEA standards, which were designed with long OCI's in mind.

I know you said no house brands, but Napa Synthetic is rebranded Synpower, and often available at a great price. More than once a year it goes on sale for $3.49-3.79/qt.