Purolator 20k C&P

[ZeeOSix]

I asked for efficiency/micron rating and they refused, the customer service was piss poor.

They didn't even rattle off the efficiency footnote on the Purolator website?

 

[AJB0009]

Pentius is on Amazon.

PGI filters include Carquest Premium, Microgard Select, Napa Gold, Premium Guard etc.

Since when is a Napa Gold not just a Wix with a different sticker on it?

 

[AJB0009]

Some have mentioned their love for M1 filters from Wal-Mart. Did something change with them? I thought they were always well-constructed, but only rock catchers.

 

[Glenda W.]

Since when is a Napa Gold not just a Wix with a different sticker on it?

A couple years now.

 

[Glenda W.]

Some have mentioned their love for M1 filters from Wal-Mart. Did something change with them? I thought they were always well-constructed, but only rock catchers.

Recently they changed from M+H made with all kinds of problems, to Highline Warren acting as a middle man from factories in Vietnam and S Korea. Very similar to PGI and Pentius filters.

 

[Elkins45]

Explore the PGI and Pentius family of filters. Currently top notch QC, at least this month.

I see no reason not to use up all of the Pentius filters I bought on sale before I start using the Puroilator and Motorcraft I already had. I think I trust them more than any other maker at the moment.

I hope my next vehicle uses cartridges.

 

[Olds394]

This case is behind a paywall, but it’s a fair labor standards lawsuit.
James English and James R. English, Jr. .V. Mann & Hummel.

Maybe it’s part of all the reason someone is letting that slop leave the factory.
Because someone is knowingly letting them be shipped..

I couldn’t see any details of the case, for all I know those two guys are to blame.

 

[ZeeOSix]

This case is behind a paywall, but it’s a fair labor standards lawsuit.
James English and James R. English, Jr. .V. Mann & Hummel.

Maybe it’s part of all the reason someone is letting that slop leave the factory.
Because someone is knowingly letting them be shipped..

I couldn’t see any details of the case, for all I know those two guys are to blame.

Here's what it's about:
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66639939/1/english-v-mann-hummel-usa-inc/

Summary info:
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66639939/english-v-mann-hummel-usa-inc/

 

[Topo]

I'm not psychic, but I'm predicting it will look just like a current Fram inside.

That being said, I always use an AC Delco on my Corvette and haven't had any issues.

 

[Topo]

Sample size of one and all that good stuff.

Bought a Purolator LX7317 at Wally World. I think I’ll continue to pass on Purolator.

Lots of loose glue. I can’t guarantee that that I didn’t knock anything loose cutting the filter element, but I found 3 large pieces of loose adhesive inside the pleats. Lots of loose glue outside the element. Half of the top metal plate didn’t adhere, but I doubt that matters under pressure.


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My Purolator 20K held up real well, pleats were beautiful, filter was in for my 4th oil
Change on Valvoline Restore and Protect. Looked lot better than the Fram Ultra I pulled out last oil change. 8400 on oil change.

 

[Glenda W.]

My Purolator 20K held up real well, pleats were beautiful, filter was in for my 4th oil
Change on Valvoline Restore and Protect. Looked lot better than the Fram Ultra I pulled out last oil change.

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That black sloppy glue has been known to break free and make its way past the bypass and into the engine….pleats do look good.

 

[Topo]

That black sloppy glue has been known to break free and make its way past the bypass and into the engine….pleats do look goodMoat of it isnsealed over

That black sloppy glue has been known to break free and make its way past the bypass and into the engine….pleats do look

It's not Aesthetically pleasing to have glue on end plates but many do, engine oil doesn't get hot enough to melt away. At end if day, the same glue is holding your filter element to end plate and that doesn't disappear and oil flows around that, so it's absolutely nothing to worry about.

 

[Glenda W.]

It's not Aesthetically pleasing to have glue on end plates but many do, engine oil doesn't get hot enough to melt away. At end if day, the same glue is holding your filter element to end plate and that doesn't disappear and oil flows around that, so it's absolutely nothing to worry about.

Tell that to the guy here that had black glue pieces drain out of his oil pan….it’s been an ongoing problem.

 

[DannyM]

It's not Aesthetically pleasing to have glue on end plates but many do, engine oil doesn't get hot enough to melt away. At end if day, the same glue is holding your filter element to end plate and that doesn't disappear and oil flows around that, so it's absolutely nothing to worry about.

end caps come off quite a bit on the Purolator's. https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/purolator-pl20195-cut-open.394488/

and then you can see here the glue coming off all over another one : https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/purolator-lx7317-5k-mi.398386/#post-7326391

who knows how much came off on yours. .. it looks like quite a bit might of come off the end caps.

 

[ZeeOSix]

It's not Aesthetically pleasing to have glue on end plates but many do, engine oil doesn't get hot enough to melt away. At end if day, the same glue is holding your filter element to end plate and that doesn't disappear and oil flows around that, so it's absolutely nothing to worry about.

When it comes off and goes into the engine (which is has been shown to do on Purolator built Motorcrafts using similar glue) it's something to be concerned about.

 

[Fair enough]

It's not Aesthetically pleasing to have glue on end plates but many do, engine oil doesn't get hot enough to melt away. At end if day, the same glue is holding your filter element to end plate and that doesn't disappear and oil flows around that, so it's absolutely nothing to worry about.

They are using the PRC and Vietnam, as is their right, so not sure what the endless posts about how bad what they don’t use is about. You can use the Boss which has a different glue.

 

[Topo]

end caps come off quite a bit on the Purolator's. https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/purolator-pl20195-cut-open.394488/

and then you can see here the glue coming off all over another one : https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/purolator-lx7317-5k-mi.398386/#post-7326391

who knows how much came off on yours. .. it looks like quite a bit might of come off the end caps.

Well i'm not highly concerned at-least it wasn't in bypass like I had a K&N or torn pleats on Fram Ultra or metal shavings iin a Bosch or horribly distorted pleat spacing, In manufacturing there isn't going to be perfect every time unfortunately. But i will contact purolator with pics and share their response.

 

[Topo]

When it comes off and goes into the engine (which is has been shown to do on Purolator built Motorcrafts using similar glue) it's something to be concerned about.

It was covered by anti drain back seal, it's basically a leak proof wall, oil not passing by end caps. If comes off it had to pass through filter. Glue is not an abrasive materiel. Must have had correct catalyst ratio to it, media wad firmly locked into end caps. Glue on end caps happens from time to time. A line worker that doesn't care about quality or Quality inspector passes it or management signs off off on defect. You be surprised what gets passed in manufacturing when you're about to miss a shipment. I have seen glue on many other branded filters endcaps.

 

[Glenda W.]

It was covered by anti drain back seal, it's basically a leak proof wall, oil not passing by end caps. If comes off it had to pass through filter. Glue is not an abrasive materiel. Must have had correct catalyst ratio to it, media wad firmly locked into end caps. Glue on end caps happens from time to time. A line worker that doesn't care about quality or Quality inspector passes it or management signs off off on defect. You be suprised what gets passed in manufacturing when your about to miss a shipment.

It’s been passing through the bypass valve. It’s a serious problem, vvt screens etc.

 

[ZeeOSix]

It was covered by anti drain back seal, it's basically a leak proof wall, oil not passing by end caps. If comes off it had to pass through filter. Glue is not an abrasive materiel. Must have had correct catalyst ratio to it, media wad firmly locked into end caps. Glue on end caps happens from time to time. A line worker that doesn't care about quality or Quality inspector passes it or management signs off off on defect. You be surprised what gets passed in manufacturing when you're about to miss a shipment. I have seen glue on many other branded filters endcaps.

If it made it into the sump (as a few people have reported - even some YouTube videos showing Motorcrafts doing this), it got out of the filter ... and it would have to be through the filter's bypass valve, not past the ADBV obviously. Or some of the black glue that was already on the clean side of the media broke off.