PUP's fall from grace over the last 10 years?

[SC Maintenance]

It doesn't matter to the oil manufacturers either that we argue. The vast majority of the population has bigger worries than what type of oil it's in their engine. Most people couldn't tell you what they run.

By that definition it should be a pure commodity and the only one that should sell, ever, would be the lowest priced one?

FWIW I like what's cheapest, but I do like to run the same thing consistently.

 

[ndarkside93]

I walked through the automotive section of my local Walmart a month or so ago and didn't see it either but it seems like it is readily available on their website with free shipping.

Yes readily available online, but a lot of people prefer to stick with an oil they can grab off the shelf without planning. Especially those that are meticulous about going an exact oci and never going over.
Just a slight inconvenience but enough to put off some people.
I’ve always had good luck with it when I’ve used it in family cars.but I personally prefer a euro 0w30 and they don’t offer one anymore that is readily available.

 

[ndarkside93]

I'd say it relates to more competition in the market. Besides, Quaker State is pretty much the same stuff for +- $3 per 5 quarts cheaper.

Quaker state would be fairly comparable to the platinum with a little less additive. The ultra platinum is a bigger jump with the borate esters and high quantity of add pack compared to both.

 

[FlyingTexan]

Does Pennzoil have a product similar to Valvoline Restore & Protect? That stuff is amazing.

It is but it’s amazing at cleaning. Diesel is as well. So is BGR products. All men can’t be all things. It’s not about if it’s good at cleaning. I have a 227k pickup that after putting a scope in it looks as clean as it came off the line. An oil focusing on cleaning isn’t needed in my truck. Pennzoil and QS are shell products with LOADS of approvals, even used by Ferrari, so not as good at cleaning but but better at protection and since I don’t have anything dirty thats what’s best for me.

 

[FlyingTexan]

Quaker state would be fairly comparable to the platinum with a little less additive. The ultra platinum is a bigger jump with the borate esters and high quantity of add pack compared to both.

Have to be careful. Some are full vs low saps

 

[Shel_B]

Might it not being Dexos certified have anything to do with it?

 

[ndarkside93]

Have to be careful. Some are full vs low saps

Good point. I wrongly assumed he was referring to just the ultimate protection as that’s the one often compared and with similar add packs.
Which as oils are full saps?

 

[ATex7239]

Why the change in popularity of PUP around here? We're just a fickle bunch, I guess.

The OP missed when TGMO was all the rage for a while. Remember when folks were driving to Toyota dealerships to get TGMO and they didn’t even have a Toyota. Ah. Good times.

 

[OilUzer]

The Wal-Mart near me used to have Pennzoil Euro L all the time and at a very good price. Once I warmed up more to the idea of using it more often, they stopped carrying it.
They do carry M1 ESP 0W-30 now. Let's see how long will that last.

You need to have a good volume to occupy the shelves no matter how good you are. Otherwise, they'll move you to their website.

 

[Glenda W.]

PUP took off because of the natural gas hype and Project Farm oil races. All that’s worn off now. I did try it back in 2012 in a Subaru and the oil consumption went through the roof. Nothing scientific but never tried it again, I’m sure it’s fine.

 

[kschachn]

It is but it’s amazing at cleaning. Diesel is as well. So is BGR products. All men can’t be all things. It’s not about if it’s good at cleaning. I have a 227k pickup that after putting a scope in it looks as clean as it came off the line. An oil focusing on cleaning isn’t needed in my truck. Pennzoil and QS are shell products with LOADS of approvals, even used by Ferrari, so not as good at cleaning but but better at protection and since I don’t have anything dirty thats what’s best for me.

Where do you see this amazing cleaning?

 

[MuzzleFlash40]

My go to is Valvoline EP.

Amazon had a flash deal on it a few months back so both of this years OCI’s in the Ram will be PUP.

 

[FlyingTexan]

Where do you see this amazing cleaning?

Google or YouTube it.

 

[kschachn]

Google or YouTube it.

Meh. I thought maybe you had a reason for saying it.

 

[FlyingTexan]

Meh. I thought maybe you had a reason for saying it.

Let me ask you. You seem to be one of the biggest haters here for just about anything. So what would it take for you to believe anything? Real world examples and testimonials with video evidence, statements from Valvoline on its uniqueness, and multiple different engineers that design oils for a living saying it. You - guy on the internet with zero credentials, no first hand experience, nothing but a keyboard and your emotions. What does it take? You don’t want to believe data from labs even. You’re right I didn’t have a reason I made my statement because it’s true, trying to spoon feed you isnt part of it. The info is out there. Use your little fingers and go find it yourself.

 

[robertcope]

I can never find the PUP that I want. I can order all the M1 I want from multiple sources and have it delivered to me either the same or next day. M1 has never failed me, so....

 

[4WD]

I can never find the PUP that I want. I can order all the M1 I want from multiple sources and have it delivered to me either the same or next day. M1 has never failed me, so....

Same - folks here just grab PP and motor on …

 

[Plumb Bob]

Why bother with PUP when you can order PP 5W30 Euro at a low price from Walmart.

 

[Brian123]

The OP missed when TGMO was all the rage for a while. Remember when folks were driving to Toyota dealerships to get TGMO and they didn’t even have a Toyota. Ah. Good times.

He also missed German Castrol 0W-30!

 

[cammyfive79]

He also missed German Castrol 0W-30!

No, I actually remember reading about that when I was a lurker!