PU Euro question

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Originally Posted By: Ayrton
My opinion is the difference between cleanliness on Euro 5w40 and Mobil 1 0w40 probably isn't as great as 5w30 PU compared to Mobil 1 5w30.

The NOACK of PU Euro is oh so impressive, but on paper you see more visible additives in Mobil 1 0w40. I know Euro Ultra is probably don't something different to make up for that, but I prefer to choose the product that I can see more of what's going on. I like to see the Moly, Boron, etc. that isn't apparent on the PU Euro.

I'd probably try it, but I don't see a reason to switch if I'm happy.


I agree with what your saying, but the perception is such that PU is "as close to factory clean" sales pitch makes you "believe" its for ALL their oils are that way.

Yes its a "sales pitch" and it works...haha I will give them that. When you see the "Euro Oils excluded" at the bottom though it makes me feel that it ISNT any cleaner than M1 or any other to that fact.

Jeff
 
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I thought about GC, but not sure if I want to use it. Seems to me the M1 and PU are better oils.[/quote]

I wouldnt say per say they are "better" just more advanced?? If GC is close to the original formula other than color, I am sure M1 and PU are more advanced in its additive package IMO.

Jeff
 
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: kjbock
I am debating between M1 0W40 and PU 5W40 Euro right now for my next oil change. The only negative for the M1 I have is the stories about increased engine noise in Bimmers and the only negative for the PU Euro being availability (of course Amazon does have a pretty good deal for the oil.). I do like the idea of the cleaning ability of the PU.

Only reason why I would go with PU 5W40 is very low NOACK!
However, M1 also has decently low NOACK, and you can get it in Wal Mart. Amazon will deliver, but first and last time I did that, 4 out of 6 bottles were leaking.


What is the NOACK of the new GC 0w30 anyway? Just curious. Dont forget too that the VI of M1 I think is better than GC as well.

So your VW's are "quieter" on GC 0w30? Can you go into detail on this. Assuming you have the 2.0T models. Are yours FSI or TSI?

Jeff
 
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX


I thought about GC, but not sure if I want to use it. Seems to me the M1 and PU are better oils.

I wouldnt say per say they are "better" just more advanced?? If GC is close to the original formula other than color, I am sure M1 and PU are more advanced in its additive package IMO.

Jeff


For some reason It has not been an easy decision for me to choose which oil. I might just use each one (of course that means it will take me three years to decide), perform a UOA, then pick which one does the best in my car. Who would've thought I could make picking a motor oil such a big decision?
 
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Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
but we all know on this Forum that Redline is one of best oils out there

Not trying to pick a fight, but what makes Redline one of the best oils out there?
 
Originally Posted By: kjbock
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX


I thought about GC, but not sure if I want to use it. Seems to me the M1 and PU are better oils.

I wouldnt say per say they are "better" just more advanced?? If GC is close to the original formula other than color, I am sure M1 and PU are more advanced in its additive package IMO.

Jeff


For some reason It has not been an easy decision for me to choose which oil. I might just use each one (of course that means it will take me three years to decide), perform a UOA, then pick which one does the best in my car. Who would've thought I could make picking a motor oil such a big decision?


Join the Club haha

All of them are "Good" oils though. I just hate switching brands. I have tried a couple in my Vdub and have not noticed any difference between PU or M1 at this point. I may still try GC and RL 5w30 though. Will see. Its just M1 is so easy to get and is so cheap in comparison. No one here really says anything bad about M1 0w40. That is a good thing for an oil that is had so cheap by comparison.

Jeff
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
but we all know on this Forum that Redline is one of best oils out there

Not trying to pick a fight, but what makes Redline one of the best oils out there?


Group 5, Great HTHS, Low NOACK. Great VI by weight, Used in COUNTLESS racing applications including my own 10 year track use on past "tracked" cars with EXCELLENT UOA's.

Need I say more? That is just my experience.

Is it worth the extra MooLa though is the question??? I wont know unless I try it in the VW.

Jeff
 
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Is it worth the extra MooLa though is the question???

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. M1 0w-40 is also one of the best oils out there, costs less, and on top of it carries official mfg approvals.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Is it worth the extra MooLa though is the question???

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. M1 0w-40 is also one of the best oils out there, costs less, and on top of it carries official mfg approvals.


That is a HUGE Plus indeed. I mean I am not cheap, but $23 for 5qts of M1 is well the best bang for the buck of any oil I know (for a Euro Spec Oil).

Jeff
 
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: kjbock
I am debating between M1 0W40 and PU 5W40 Euro right now for my next oil change. The only negative for the M1 I have is the stories about increased engine noise in Bimmers and the only negative for the PU Euro being availability (of course Amazon does have a pretty good deal for the oil.). I do like the idea of the cleaning ability of the PU.

Only reason why I would go with PU 5W40 is very low NOACK!
However, M1 also has decently low NOACK, and you can get it in Wal Mart. Amazon will deliver, but first and last time I did that, 4 out of 6 bottles were leaking.


What is the NOACK of the new GC 0w30 anyway? Just curious. Dont forget too that the VI of M1 I think is better than GC as well.

So your VW's are "quieter" on GC 0w30? Can you go into detail on this. Assuming you have the 2.0T models. Are yours FSI or TSI?

Jeff


Fopr TSI, GC is much smoother then M1. At least my observation. If I was still in CA, I would use GC over M1 no question asked! I would not even think about M1.
 
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: kjbock
I am debating between M1 0W40 and PU 5W40 Euro right now for my next oil change. The only negative for the M1 I have is the stories about increased engine noise in Bimmers and the only negative for the PU Euro being availability (of course Amazon does have a pretty good deal for the oil.). I do like the idea of the cleaning ability of the PU.

Only reason why I would go with PU 5W40 is very low NOACK!
However, M1 also has decently low NOACK, and you can get it in Wal Mart. Amazon will deliver, but first and last time I did that, 4 out of 6 bottles were leaking.


What is the NOACK of the new GC 0w30 anyway? Just curious. Dont forget too that the VI of M1 I think is better than GC as well.

So your VW's are "quieter" on GC 0w30? Can you go into detail on this. Assuming you have the 2.0T models. Are yours FSI or TSI?

Jeff


It is def below 10%, probably very similar to M1.
Both my cars are TSI. Used GC in older Passat 1.8T in older and newer formula. Noticed much smoother engine and better cold start (regardless of M1 higher VI).
M1 is extremely good oil. I used it now in CC, but as I mentioned, bcs of higher flash point.
In the end of the day, we are discussing about top of the line oils, oils that most of the people never heard about, not even paid attention to when they passing by in Wal mart aisle.
 
I'm just curious what "smoother" means to you? The car idles smoother?

GC runs about $10 a qt here where I am and is rarely on sale. That would make it 2x's more expensive than the M1.

So is it 2x's smoother?

Jeff
 
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
I'm just curious what "smoother" means to you? The car idles smoother?

GC runs about $10 a qt here where I am and is rarely on sale. That would make it 2x's more expensive than the M1.

So is it 2x's smoother?

Jeff

When it comes to good oil, i do not care about price!
I am from Europe, lived there until 8yrs ago, I paid synthetic oil $80-100!
I am buying car that is 33-35k and I am not gonna think whether oil is $25 or $50.
I do not drive on AS tires, I switch them in winter. I do not put gas in Costco, I do not buy food in Wal Mart etc, etc.
So $25 per one OCI will not save me from bankruptcy!
Do not get me wrong, I did same things when I was student living on fellowships.
 
Don't get me wrong I understand what your saying. It's just M1 is less expensive doesn't mean it's not good. That is the thing. It's very good at a killer price.

In my VW I can't feel it idle with M1 it's so quiet so I'm not sure what you mean that GC is smoother?

Maybe you just have brand bias? I don't know. Maybe I will give the GC a try.

I think the M1 though has more approvals than GC that mmust say something.

I can always try it and go back to M1 if I notice no difference.

What is the NOACK of GC do you know?



Jeff
 
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Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Don't get me wrong I understand what your saying. It's just M1 is less expensive doesn't mean it's not good. That is the thing. It's very good at a killer price.

In my VW I can't feel it idle with M1 it's so quiet so I'm not sure what you mean that GC is smoother?

Maybe you just have brand bias? I don't know. Maybe I will give the GC a try.

I think the M1 though has more approvals than GC that mmust say something.

I can always try it and go back to M1 if I notice no difference.

What is the NOACK of GC do you know?



Jeff


I mentioned on several places that I use M1 right now, as you can see in my profile!
My wife is still in San Diego, and in her Tiguan I put GC.
Anyway, if I thought that M1 is bad oil, I would order Motul X-Cess online or some other oil that is equivalent to GC but with higher flash point! Since I can buy M1 in Wal Mart, that was obvious choice.
 
Edyvw if your saying GC makes the 2.0T TSI run smoother I may have to try it and find out.

So your using M1 for the flashpoint factor?

If GC has PAO wouldn't the flashpoint be higher than that of the VISOM M1?

Maybe VISOM is better in high heat but sucks in cold temps? Kinda throws a wrench in the whole 0w part doesn't it? With a MRV of 35000?

I'm confused.

Jeff
 
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: kjbock
I am debating between M1 0W40 and PU 5W40 Euro right now for my next oil change. The only negative for the M1 I have is the stories about increased engine noise in Bimmers and the only negative for the PU Euro being availability (of course Amazon does have a pretty good deal for the oil.). I do like the idea of the cleaning ability of the PU.

Only reason why I would go with PU 5W40 is very low NOACK!
However, M1 also has decently low NOACK, and you can get it in Wal Mart. Amazon will deliver, but first and last time I did that, 4 out of 6 bottles were leaking.


What is the NOACK of the new GC 0w30 anyway? Just curious. Dont forget too that the VI of M1 I think is better than GC as well.

So your VW's are "quieter" on GC 0w30? Can you go into detail on this. Assuming you have the 2.0T models. Are yours FSI or TSI?

Jeff


It is def below 10%, probably very similar to M1.
Both my cars are TSI. Used GC in older Passat 1.8T in older and newer formula. Noticed much smoother engine and better cold start (regardless of M1 higher VI).
M1 is extremely good oil. I used it now in CC, but as I mentioned, bcs of higher flash point.
In the end of the day, we are discussing about top of the line oils, oils that most of the people never heard about, not even paid attention to when they passing by in Wal mart aisle.


Doesn't GC have a higher flash point of 465F vs M1 446F or there a bouts?

I'm confused.
 
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Edyvw if your saying GC makes the 2.0T TSI run smoother I may have to try it and find out.

So your using M1 for the flashpoint factor?

If GC has PAO wouldn't the flashpoint be higher than that of the VISOM M1?

Maybe VISOM is better in high heat but sucks in cold temps? Kinda throws a wrench in the whole 0w part doesn't it? With a MRV of 35000?

I'm confused.

Jeff

Flash point of GC is 215c, M1 is 230c.
PU 5W40 flash point is also 215.
Reason why I am using it here, on this altitude, is that flashpoint of M1 is actually 223c and GC around 207c.
I never said M1 sucks at cold, I just said I observed with GC smoother start.
 
I read on the matrix oil site that GC had a higher flash point then the M1. Maybe was a typo then on their behalf.

So edyvw your saying that where your vw is now the M1 is your best bet, but where your wife is its the GC?

All because of flashpoint of a 15c difference?

Please elaberate I'm curious.

Jeff
 
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