PP vs Amsoil XL

[bigbull2984]

Looking for a good oil to use in our tahoe and RSX. I am about to run out of the 10w30RP I got on sale. I see that PP is $3.98 a qt right now. How does this oil compare to Amsoil XL. I will run the oil for 6 month in each vehicle with a filter change at 3 month.

I know at walmart its 20 for the 5 qt jug but the tahoe needs 6 qts so buying it at $3.98 is cheaper than spending $20 plus 6 at WM.

 

[buster]

PP compares very well to XL. PP can handle 10-12k mile drain intervals, as can the XL. Using oil analysis.

 

[Chris71]

I need six quarts also so I just buy the 5 qt. jug and then just buy the extra qt. of Pennzoil Platinum. It's a very good oil and Amsoil is too expensive anyway.

 

[tenderloin]

The XL is a competitively priced oil. It is high quality as is P. One can state ones opinion without trashing a product. Have you used any Amsoil XL? Too expensive for? If you, then say so. By their sales there are quite a number of people who don't think their products are too expensive.

If you read my posts you will not find me promoting Amsoil....even using it much Just trying to put some sense in shoot from the hip posts that do no one any good.

BTW I have just changed my Explorer from M1 to Amsoil 0W-30. Heading to Lake Tahoe for ten days so I will be putting some miles on the beast. If anything exciting comes up as mileage up or down, I'll report

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: tenderloin
The XL is a competitively priced oil. It is high quality as is P. One can state ones opinion without trashing a product.

BTW I have just changed my Explorer from M1 to Amsoil 0W-30. Heading to Lake Tahoe for ten days so I will be putting some miles on the beast. If anything exciting comes up as mileage up or down, I'll report


It "maybe" as high quality as PP. No one can really say for sure.

Is it M1 0w30 you are comparing it too?

 

[bigbull2984]

I think Amsoil is great. I use sso 0w30 in my Acura TL. Even with the preffered customer prices the XL will run me $5.88 per quart with shipping, Tax, and surcharge. THe PP is $4.26. So its a $1.62 more a quart.

 

[coffee]

And then you can throw Schaeffer's into the mix for another great oil that is more cost effective as well.

 

[JohnBrowning]

Amsoil XL would spank PP in application even though it cost a bit more. PP cannot hold it's TBN even though it does produce nice wear numbers. So decide how long you are going to run it before you decide. We know that XL will make it to 7500 in anything you put it in but PP is a guessing game it might make it or it might not hard to say!

 

[JohnBrowning]

Wich store has it on sale my Dad might be interested.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
Amsoil XL would spank PP in application even though it cost a bit more. PP cannot hold it's TBN even though it does produce nice wear numbers. So decide how long you are going to run it before you decide. We know that XL will make it to 7500 in anything you put it in but PP is a guessing game it might make it or it might not hard to say!


What? PP has shown to be good for at least 10k-12k miles.

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
Amsoil XL would spank PP in application even though it cost a bit more. PP cannot hold it's TBN even though it does produce nice wear numbers. So decide how long you are going to run it before you decide. We know that XL will make it to 7500 in anything you put it in but PP is a guessing game it might make it or it might not hard to say!


What? PP has shown to be good for at least 10k-12k miles.


In how many applications? Hondas that can also make that mileage with low ball conventional? I think John is saying that it's done a decent job for most of the 5k-7k BITOG typical UOAs. We've also seen a few 10k MC 5w-20 UOA in Ford modulars ..but that doesn't make MC 5w-20 an extended drain oil for everyone.

 

[buster]

Well, the starting Tbn for PP is 10. I would say that PP is as every bit as capable as Amsoil XL IMO from what I've seen. I'd have to really look at the UOA's but PP holds it's Tbn very well. As does the XL line.

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
Amsoil XL would spank PP in application even though it cost a bit more. PP cannot hold it's TBN even though it does produce nice wear numbers. So decide how long you are going to run it before you decide. We know that XL will make it to 7500 in anything you put it in but PP is a guessing game it might make it or it might not hard to say!

I don't recall seeing a UOA where the TBN of PP is done for in 7500 miles??

 

[Bill in Utah]

Either.

Skip the oil filter change.

NOT NEEDED for a six month OCI.

Take care, bill

 

[FZ1]

I only need it for 6 months which is about 3750 miles. I'm going to lock and load PP this Fall.

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
Amsoil XL would spank PP in application even though it cost a bit more. PP cannot hold it's TBN even though it does produce nice wear numbers. So decide how long you are going to run it before you decide. We know that XL will make it to 7500 in anything you put it in but PP is a guessing game it might make it or it might not hard to say!

I don't recall seeing a UOA where the TBN of PP is done for in 7500 miles??

..but how many 7500 UOA with PP have you seen? I don't see too many 7500 UOA to begin with. Not to knock PP or bolster XL since I don't see too many UOA with it either. That is, although PP is widely used, it's primarily used because it is the most discounted synthetic oil on the market. It's considered a "value" purchase, but it's mostly treated as a "why use conventional ..when you can have PP for the same price" ..and that's pretty much how people use it. (including BFU when his $0.49 stash is running low

).

 

[buster]

How about Mobil 7500 vs Amsoil XL ?

 

[Gary Allan]

I dunno.

I'd have to see a few 7500 and a few XL's that are used for 7500. Most of our data here is limited in mileage. There are a few mavericks ..but most are pretty tame in terms of getting their oil's worth.

 

[FrankN4]

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This was not any sort of test that I/we conducted. We went to the used oil analysis forum on this site. We took what we beleived to be the five most common synthetic oils: Mobil 1, Pennzoil Platnum, Valvoline Synpower, Castrol Syntec, and Quaker State Q. We made a column for each of the oils. In the coulmn for that oil we put the OCI and the ending 100C cSt compared to the starting 100C cSt. We were then going to average the OCI and ending 100C cSt. We looked for contaminants, fuel, antifreeeze and things that could slip in through the air intake. If we believed the OCI was ridicilous and not a true indication we tossed that out. For example we had one OCI of 20,000+ miles and the ending cSt was 16+.

We discovered that Mobil 1 sheared down past 9.3 less than the other 4. We found that Pennzoil Platnum sheared down past 9.3 the most(2973 miles on the low side and 4818 miles on the high side) and thickened above 10.2, its starting 100C cSt, the most(5300 on the low side and 9352 on the high side).

We just plain old turned chicken and decided we were just going to add fuel to feuding fires, and terminated the research because we were no longer convinced that it would accomplish anything we wanted. It really depends on the vehicle, maintenance habits, driving habits, driving conditions, and much more than just the brand and grade of oil.

We may go back some day and research the UOA forum and check every 5w30 oil looking for nothing but a trend. That is the only thing I think is really worth researching, now.

To compare 0W to 5W to 10W seemed to work out rather well. It was an eye opener for me. To try to determine the best brand of XW-30 compared to other brands of XW-30 is a little beyond my willingness to invest time and effort. Even if you looked at UOA from same year/size/type engines, you still don't really know the driving habits, maintenance habits, driving conditions, and other needful information."

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We are now far enough back on the UOA forum where some SL oils are starting to show up. We are very careful not to get any SL oils in the analysis. We expanded our analysis to include Iron, Lead, and Copper wear metals. We are looking at remaining TBN where reported.

We saw a commerecial where Ford braged that their cars were NOW just as good as Toyota. This got us to thinking that maybe we should have a base/comparison, so.... we decided to use Amsoil 5w30 as our base/comparison for the group 4 oils and Amsoil XL 5w30 as our base/comparison for group 3 oils.

We do seem to see two trends developing but are going to double, triple, etc... check our research.

Everything will be on hold for a few days as I am heading out tomorrow night/Monday morning, with two grandsons, on a fly fishing trip for mountain brook trout.

 

[Edmond]

I'll use PP if I'm sticking with a 6-7k OCI. If I'm going more than that, I'm going to use Amsoil all the way but not XL, I'll go with the ASL.

With a 6-7k OCI, I think it's a perfect job for PP, especially money wise. I think a 6-7k OCI for Amsoil would be a waste of money. If I go ASL, I'm taking it to 12-15k, which usually works out to be about a year.