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[hrv]

I’ve seen both the black and blue adbv on the extra guard. If I get the chance I’ll grab them and cut them open

Thanks...

 

[Job]

Do the blue ST adbv even fit in a Fram? Most are ecore type filters. It is a strange thing.

 

[nthach]

OT Just noticed your pic attachment shows a TG box with the orange can. 'If' you pulled the orange can out of that box, sadly that would be a WM switcheroo (low life move).

That’s exactly what happened.

 

[Davejam]

Here's a reference for the freeze test. You can see that Silicone does not represent 1 particular material so properties could vary, but yes it should remain more flexible at freezer temperatures compared to Nitrile.

 

[Davejam]

https://www.nedc.com/why-is-fluorosilicone-blue/

 

[hrv]

Got another email from Fram tech and yes the black is silicone and they will be going to black from now on....Orange ones were made previous and will be replaced with black silicone as they sell out...

 

[Zee09]

Got another email from Fram tech and yes the black is silicone and they will be going to black from now on....Orange ones were made previous and will be replaced with black silicone as they sell out...

Still a dumb move.
I deal in seals and if I change the color of any because I get bored the masses freak like I switched materials...creates nothing but stupidity so I no longer do that.

Fram is batting zero right now.
They had it all sewed up and now they are blowing it.
This coming from a fanboy.

 

[hrv]

Still a dumb move.
I deal in seals and if I change the color of any because I get bored the masses freak like I switched materials...creates nothing but stupidity so I no longer do that.

Fram is batting zero right now.
They had it all sewed up and now they are blowing it.
This coming from a fanboy.

Not really.. It might on this site but if you read the box it does say silicone on it....Fram will continue to do just fine....There are a lot of Fram haters on this site for many many and many years so you will never please them... O well...

 

[Zee09]

Not really.. It might on this site but if you read the box it does say silicone on it....Fram will continue to do just fine....There are a lot of Fram haters on this site for many many and many years so you will never please them... O well...

I think they are trying to be slick to be honest.

 

[hrv]

I think they are trying to be slick to be honest.

or the black one is a cheaper to make....vs orange...

 

[Zee09]

or the black one is a cheaper to make....vs orange...

The masses now assume all red or orange adbv's meant silicone...
Now they will assume all black is too. I think that is the goal here.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Yeah, switching colors of silicone (if actually true) must be a cost reduction move. Use of red/orange silicone has always been the norm for silicone ADBVs from pretty much every filter manufacture.

 

[OVERKILL]

^^^ Almost looks purple in the photo. All the filters are cross-breading, lol.

Was thinking the same, could be an RP one, lol

 

[Davejam]

My best guess is its a supply chain issue.
Supplier makes whatever color a company wants in good times, but in tight times asks them to take whatever they have more of.
Because the color is really an irrelevant specification - not technical in nature at least.

I'd have a harder time believing they accepted a different material altogether, but I wouldn't put it past them.

 

[RyanY]

My best guess is its a supply chain issue.
Supplier makes whatever color a company wants in good times, but in tight times asks them to take whatever they have more of.
Because the color is really an irrelevant specification - not technical in nature at least.

I'd have a harder time believing they accepted a different material altogether, but I wouldn't put it past them.

^this
Many years ago I worked in a factory that produced various silicone parts for cars, military, etc. We made them whatever color they wanted, but when a particular color of material was unavailable they were backordered until the supply arrived. Perhaps this happened with Fram's supply, and they just switched to an available color???

 

[Blagoje]

The local Walmart is decimated, I was looking for Castrol Edge Euro 5W-30. I pulled a random Fram off the shelf and not only was this switched but the ADBV is blue.

d00d!!!111!!11!1!

i NEED that oil filter stat!!!!!!!!

 

[OVERKILL]

My best guess is its a supply chain issue.
Supplier makes whatever color a company wants in good times, but in tight times asks them to take whatever they have more of.
Because the color is really an irrelevant specification - not technical in nature at least.

I'd have a harder time believing they accepted a different material altogether, but I wouldn't put it past them.

But who was ordering black silicone ADBV's before? I understand purple because the RP ones are purple, so they may have more of those kicking around, but black has historically been nitrile and the supplier (typically Parker) would be producing the red/orange ones in silicone almost exclusively.

 

[nthach]

On top, TG4386 with the blue ADBV. On the bottom, a Fram-made Subaru AA15A filter. Black nitrile - the ADBV also has a powdery coating on it. Probably a talc or sterate mold release.

 

[Davejam]

But who was ordering black silicone ADBV's before? I understand purple because the RP ones are purple, so they may have more of those kicking around, but black has historically been nitrile and the supplier (typically Parker) would be producing the red/orange ones in silicone almost exclusively.

Again a guess - but I would think the suppliers have sheets of silicone produced and then do some form of compression/heat molding to make the ABDVs.
So its more about the total supply chain of silicone products, not specific to ABDVs/oil filters.

@RyanY likely could weigh in better on my guess.

 

[Bettez88]

Someone just needs to get a filter with the black “silicone” and cut it open to see if it is or not