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Pennzoil Ultra vs Amsoil XL
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Originally Posted By: hemitruck
lockwood, i doubt you want to hear this, but this is not uncommon for the 5.4. if you didn't do the maintainance you did, it most likely would have occurred sooner. sorry for your trouble.
Yes, and pigs fly. Oh, and my Newfoundland can dance the Rumba while playing the entire symphonic section from The Phantom of the Opera.
lockwood, i doubt you want to hear this, but this is not uncommon for the 5.4. if you didn't do the maintainance you did, it most likely would have occurred sooner. sorry for your trouble.
Yes, and pigs fly. Oh, and my Newfoundland can dance the Rumba while playing the entire symphonic section from The Phantom of the Opera.
Originally Posted By: hemitruck
lockwood, i doubt you want to hear this, but this is not uncommon for the 5.4. if you didn't do the maintainance you did, it most likely would have occurred sooner. sorry for your trouble.
I doubt you wanna hear this,but I quite frankly have a hard time dealing with people posting garbage on the internet.There's enough misinformation on this board the way it is anymore.The 5.4 motor has always been a reliable motor.
lockwood, i doubt you want to hear this, but this is not uncommon for the 5.4. if you didn't do the maintainance you did, it most likely would have occurred sooner. sorry for your trouble.
I doubt you wanna hear this,but I quite frankly have a hard time dealing with people posting garbage on the internet.There's enough misinformation on this board the way it is anymore.The 5.4 motor has always been a reliable motor.
Originally Posted By: lockrod
With the 0w20 went with the servere sched 15 thousand tow a camper and thats just 1 once a year,with the XL 7500 miles,mostley before it was due,thats what im trying to figure out,why would it fail,might just be the 5.4 liter ford moter..Don't want to spend another 7 grand anytime soon!
How many 15K intervals did you do on the 0W-20 ASM?
How many 7.5K intervals on the 5W-20 XLM?
I'm really doubting the oil was at fault, I am trying to help. Most likely some issue like a slow HG leak or other issue.
With the 0w20 went with the servere sched 15 thousand tow a camper and thats just 1 once a year,with the XL 7500 miles,mostley before it was due,thats what im trying to figure out,why would it fail,might just be the 5.4 liter ford moter..Don't want to spend another 7 grand anytime soon!
How many 15K intervals did you do on the 0W-20 ASM?
How many 7.5K intervals on the 5W-20 XLM?
I'm really doubting the oil was at fault, I am trying to help. Most likely some issue like a slow HG leak or other issue.
Originally Posted By: lockrod
Like i Said i wasen't down on Amsiol products,just trying to find out what happened,so it will not happen again,truth is the moter did not look clean!
Well, if you followed appropriate OCIs, that's not the problem. You used Amsoil, so that's not the problem. 5.4 L engines are not known as sludgers, so that's not the problem. Therefore, there must have been something else. Coolant intrusion? Bad PCV? Engine and oil never getting up to temps? Serious fuel management issue leading to sludging?
Like i Said i wasen't down on Amsiol products,just trying to find out what happened,so it will not happen again,truth is the moter did not look clean!
Well, if you followed appropriate OCIs, that's not the problem. You used Amsoil, so that's not the problem. 5.4 L engines are not known as sludgers, so that's not the problem. Therefore, there must have been something else. Coolant intrusion? Bad PCV? Engine and oil never getting up to temps? Serious fuel management issue leading to sludging?
Originally Posted By: buster
You need oil analysis if you're going to run drains that long.
I agree. At least one UOA to assure you have no coolant leaks or parts wearing unusually. I say every car you own should have a UOA, regardless of oil choice of length of OCI.
You need oil analysis if you're going to run drains that long.
I agree. At least one UOA to assure you have no coolant leaks or parts wearing unusually. I say every car you own should have a UOA, regardless of oil choice of length of OCI.
Originally Posted By: lockrod
Ok this is for the amsoil guy! I have a 2007 ford f-150 with 109,000 miles on it and the moter just failed!Dead! Have run amsoil since i drove it off the lot,as a matter of fact in tranny and rear end.I went to the shop to take a peak at the moter>>TRASH!SLUDGE!VARNISH! cam lobes worn,timming chains worn,question is was this the moter's design flaw,as in oiling system,or just the [censored] 5.4 liter from ford.Looked like it dropped a valve,Mech said he's no fan of amsoil and he does this for a living,I have read and heard of all the great Amsoil stories about engines lasting for ever1 Now I not so sure,7 grand later and a new moter I think i will try something else1At least for the next 100,000 miles...
As you see from the replies blaming the oil is tough w/o pics and evidence to support it. But I'll toss this out there, I bet shorter OCI's and/or a UOA would have prolonged the life of that engine a little longer. Next time you plan on extended OCI's get a UOA to back it up, don't rely on the blenders claims or sales hype like some people do. I have a friend doing just that with his Hemi Ram, not good IMO.
Were you adding coolant to that engine?
Ok this is for the amsoil guy! I have a 2007 ford f-150 with 109,000 miles on it and the moter just failed!Dead! Have run amsoil since i drove it off the lot,as a matter of fact in tranny and rear end.I went to the shop to take a peak at the moter>>TRASH!SLUDGE!VARNISH! cam lobes worn,timming chains worn,question is was this the moter's design flaw,as in oiling system,or just the [censored] 5.4 liter from ford.Looked like it dropped a valve,Mech said he's no fan of amsoil and he does this for a living,I have read and heard of all the great Amsoil stories about engines lasting for ever1 Now I not so sure,7 grand later and a new moter I think i will try something else1At least for the next 100,000 miles...
As you see from the replies blaming the oil is tough w/o pics and evidence to support it. But I'll toss this out there, I bet shorter OCI's and/or a UOA would have prolonged the life of that engine a little longer. Next time you plan on extended OCI's get a UOA to back it up, don't rely on the blenders claims or sales hype like some people do. I have a friend doing just that with his Hemi Ram, not good IMO.
Were you adding coolant to that engine?
No problems with the moter at all the first 100,000 miles,ran like a sewing machine,untill I had the 100k service done,plugs,flush and fill,belt,fuel filter.The mech did break one plug off,5.4 liter's known problem,lucky it was only one.Thats what im asking is there a oiling problem with the 5.4 moters,with all the facts about amsoil just wanted to know why the moter looked so bad on the inside? Not beating up on Amsoil...
Please elaborate more on what were your change intervals & viscosity used?
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: lockrod
Ok this is for the amsoil guy! I have a 2007 ford f-150 with 109,000 miles on it and the moter just failed!Dead! Have run amsoil since i drove it off the lot,as a matter of fact in tranny and rear end.I went to the shop to take a peak at the moter>>TRASH!SLUDGE!VARNISH! cam lobes worn,timming chains worn,question is was this the moter's design flaw,as in oiling system,or just the [censored] 5.4 liter from ford.Looked like it dropped a valve,Mech said he's no fan of amsoil and he does this for a living,I have read and heard of all the great Amsoil stories about engines lasting for ever1 Now I not so sure,7 grand later and a new moter I think i will try something else1At least for the next 100,000 miles...
As you see from the replies blaming the oil is tough w/o pics and evidence to support it. But I'll toss this out there, I bet shorter OCI's and/or a UOA would have prolonged the life of that engine a little longer. Next time you plan on extended OCI's get a UOA to back it up, don't rely on the blenders claims or sales hype like some people do. I have a friend doing just that with his Hemi Ram, not good IMO.
Were you adding coolant to that engine?
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: lockrod
Ok this is for the amsoil guy! I have a 2007 ford f-150 with 109,000 miles on it and the moter just failed!Dead! Have run amsoil since i drove it off the lot,as a matter of fact in tranny and rear end.I went to the shop to take a peak at the moter>>TRASH!SLUDGE!VARNISH! cam lobes worn,timming chains worn,question is was this the moter's design flaw,as in oiling system,or just the [censored] 5.4 liter from ford.Looked like it dropped a valve,Mech said he's no fan of amsoil and he does this for a living,I have read and heard of all the great Amsoil stories about engines lasting for ever1 Now I not so sure,7 grand later and a new moter I think i will try something else1At least for the next 100,000 miles...
As you see from the replies blaming the oil is tough w/o pics and evidence to support it. But I'll toss this out there, I bet shorter OCI's and/or a UOA would have prolonged the life of that engine a little longer. Next time you plan on extended OCI's get a UOA to back it up, don't rely on the blenders claims or sales hype like some people do. I have a friend doing just that with his Hemi Ram, not good IMO.
Were you adding coolant to that engine?
Originally Posted By: YANCEY
You are right the dealer told me that they would not cover warranty claim if I used amsoil in my truck so with that said I am going to stay with Pennzoil or Mobil 1.I can buy them for about the same price.
I would talk to your regional service rep if a dealer tried this one on me.
You are right the dealer told me that they would not cover warranty claim if I used amsoil in my truck so with that said I am going to stay with Pennzoil or Mobil 1.I can buy them for about the same price.
I would talk to your regional service rep if a dealer tried this one on me.
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: YANCEY
You are right the dealer told me that they would not cover warranty claim if I used amsoil in my truck so with that said I am going to stay with Pennzoil or Mobil 1.I can buy them for about the same price.
I would talk to your regional service rep if a dealer tried this one on me.
Yeah. That's like saying using Shell Gasoline will void your warranty and you have to use BP Gasoline.
Dealers are there to sell you a product, not help you make the right decision.
Originally Posted By: YANCEY
You are right the dealer told me that they would not cover warranty claim if I used amsoil in my truck so with that said I am going to stay with Pennzoil or Mobil 1.I can buy them for about the same price.
I would talk to your regional service rep if a dealer tried this one on me.
Yeah. That's like saying using Shell Gasoline will void your warranty and you have to use BP Gasoline.
Dealers are there to sell you a product, not help you make the right decision.
Originally Posted By: Trav
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Pennzoil Ultra is 100% group III.
Got any links to that information?
I have it on good authority from a friend in Shell lubricants that PU is 100% Group III. I can't provide a link, merely that anecdote.
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Pennzoil Ultra is 100% group III.
Got any links to that information?
I have it on good authority from a friend in Shell lubricants that PU is 100% Group III. I can't provide a link, merely that anecdote.
Originally Posted By: DrivinWest
Originally Posted By: Trav
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Pennzoil Ultra is 100% group III.
Got any links to that information?
I have it on good authority from a friend in Shell lubricants that PU is 100% Group III. I can't provide a link, merely that anecdote.
Another good authority at SOPUS told me that the new PU is PAO. Go figure. But there is no way the new PU NOACK numbers could be so low with 100% group III oil base, IMO.
Originally Posted By: Trav
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Pennzoil Ultra is 100% group III.
Got any links to that information?
I have it on good authority from a friend in Shell lubricants that PU is 100% Group III. I can't provide a link, merely that anecdote.
Another good authority at SOPUS told me that the new PU is PAO. Go figure. But there is no way the new PU NOACK numbers could be so low with 100% group III oil base, IMO.
Originally Posted By: DrivinWest
Originally Posted By: Trav
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Pennzoil Ultra is 100% group III.
Got any links to that information?
I have it on good authority from a friend in Shell lubricants that PU is 100% Group III. I can't provide a link, merely that anecdote.
The SM version was Group 3 no question since Sopus admitted it in the Q&A. The SN version might contain some PAO (I seriously doubt it is mainly PAO).
Originally Posted By: Trav
Quote:
Pennzoil Ultra is 100% group III.
Got any links to that information?
I have it on good authority from a friend in Shell lubricants that PU is 100% Group III. I can't provide a link, merely that anecdote.
The SM version was Group 3 no question since Sopus admitted it in the Q&A. The SN version might contain some PAO (I seriously doubt it is mainly PAO).
Unfortunately no oil is 100% anything, but Pennzoil got the formulation right with PU IMHO. If I had unlimited funds this is the oil I would use and I would do 12K OCI's.
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