Oil For Very Hard Driven 05 Mustang Gt

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I think I will try to get the redline 5w-20. I dont know if they are any dealers here in PR I checked Redline´s web page and it says pepboys and advance auto parts are redline dealers for fuel additives and not oil. If not then I am gonna switch to amsoil 5w-30. I know some people are still running 5w-20 but the motor is less than 3 years old since it came out. It still haven´t seen those high milleage motors that have been running on 5w-20 for like 5-6 years as you can see in other cars.

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Originally posted by nomochevys:
Im curious why ford specs 5w-50 for the 07 Sheby GT500? The 5.4 is a modular engine too although it has a blower on it. I hope somebody can give a explantion for this cause I sure Im confused now.

The Shelby GT500 and Ford GT engines are extremely low-volume production engines essentially hand built with aftermarket parts. As an example, I believe these specialty 5.4 engines don't even use the same bearings as the regular production engines.


actually the engines in the ford GT and the GT 500 really only share the same displacement. one uses an aluminum block with dry sump lubrication, fitted with a highly effecient twin screw supercharger.the other is an iron block, wet sump and is fitted with a not as efficient "roots" supercharger.im willing to bet the bearing clearances used in the GT500 are probably very similar to a conventional 3 valve modular.i am curious as to why ford would recommend 5w50 in these lower production engines, and recommend 5w20 for the rest.could it be that since both the GT and GT500 are slapped with a gaz guzzler tax, they feel they can get away with using a 5w50?i guess maybe we will never know, unless someone from ford can provide an answer.
 
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im willing to bet the bearing clearances used in the GT500 are probably very similar to a conventional 3 valve modular.

You can bet all you want, but you don't KNOW what the differences are. I just checked again and the crank, rods, BEARINGS and pistons are DIFFERENT on those two low production engines.

Quite simply, if you don't know something as fact, don't assume you can out smart the engineers who designed and built the engines.

As a starting place, let me suggest you study up on the differences between putting in aftermarket bearings versus the bearings as installed by the factory.
 
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Im curious why ford specs 5w-50 for the 07 Sheby GT500? The 5.4 is a modular engine too although it has a blower on it. I hope somebody can give a explantion for this cause I sure Im confused now.
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It's not the same 5.4 has Fords other offerings.

I agree with buster on the red line suggestion.
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Still I dont understand the huge difference. There must be a reason and Im not a 5w 20 hater. The 5.4 in the shelby has a forged crank and pistons as well as forged rods if I am not mistaken. 4 valve heads too. It has about 8 lbs of boost. I am not a expert on these things and sombody correct me if Im wrong.

Seems like a huge difference between that and the 4.6 and I own a 4.6 dohc in a mach 1 and run 5w 20 mobil 1. Im just trying to put the pieces to the puzzel together because ford kinda contradicts themselves.

I know many of you have a great deal of knowledge on this and i dont honestly. I cant understand why there would be such a viscosity difference if it was not benificial and ford obvioulsy thinks it is in this case but not on the regular 4.6 GT's

Can someone explain this? I really want to learn why this is. I think this deserves an answer from ford to be honest.
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I feel like I am talking to a wall. There is almost nothing in common between the 5.4 on the production mustang, F-150, and etc. With the Shelby. If it's woorying you too much don't use 5W-20 even though it has been proven to work better in most applications than heavier oils.
 
Get an oil temperature guage (if you do not already have one).

If the oil temperature does not get above 265dF in your driving regimine, then you can simply stick with the 5W-20 stuff. If it gets hotter, then you can change to a 5W-30 oil or get an oil cooler (the prefered option).
 
Down in frigid PR, you don't need a 0w or 5w anything. You don't need that much vis spread down there. I am generally not a fan of wide spread lighter multivis oils in heavily modified street and/or track engines anyway. If that's what you have. If your engine is closer to production, then the generic FoMoCo Xw-20 recommendation should be fine.

A tighter spread 10w-30 full synthetic "should" be good for hard street duty with your mods down there. Like the others, I would go with Redline, which will give you better film strength at the viscosity as extra insurance, or at least an A3 oil. Don't convert over until you have several thousand on the clock.

If you eventually run a turbo, then you absolutely want to stick with something such as RL, and maybe even consider a borderline 40. Anyone recommending a 20 on a modded out aftermarket turbo setup without knowing more is playing russian roulette with your engine.

This is all suggested based on averages, without knowing the actual bearing clearances or valvetrain particulars. I agree with some of the others that these are also very vital considerations, independent of temps. I'm guessing based on industry practice that a higher output track-tuned block is more likely to have wider clearances than the standard variant. But Ford has gotten goofier in recent years.

An auxiliary cooler is also a good idea.
 
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10W-30s tend to not be more shear stable than 5W-30 or 0W-30s in modern times. 10-15 years ago it held true volvohead, but today many 5W-30s are plenty robust and are sometimes stronger than "10W-30s" . . .

That's oil commercial talk suitable for Momma's Camry. I don't agree when extreme operating conditions exist such as in a track engine. Most competition engines still run straight weights and the less VIIs, the better.

I wouldn't even consider a 30 other than RL in a legitimate track engine anyway. Too thin.
 
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Originally posted by Androdz:
I gotta check the to see if it has an oil cooler already. If not where can I get some good qualitiy oil coolers for my car? Also thanks for all the help guys I really appreciate it.

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I though you already had one! Hmmmmmmm

In your previous post:

"Well I have an 8 quart oil pan with oil coolers so that atleast helps me a tad."
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Originally posted by Bryanccfshr:
Mommas Camry is probably more demanding on oil than someones pet muscle car.

Some of those are pretty bad now that you mention it, especially when Momma forgets and leaves the bulk fill in for 15 or 20k.
 
I dont know about them bein easier on oil. Most Muscle cars are flat tappet cams and they consume Anti-Wear additives pretty fast. Not to mention the need for runing leaded fuel which will contaminate the oil.
 
I was talking about old Muscle cars. Not newer ones,Thats were I thought the conversation involving the camry was going.
 
Great Pic Drew. When we are talking about classic cars we can talk about classic oils and the viscosities used to keep those eneficient designs running. Putting todays oils in a classic car are as bad as putting yesterdays viscosities in todays engines.
 
Looking at that valvetrain glimpse, no wonder the strength of that engine family is its lower end.
 
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I was talking about old Muscle cars. Not newer ones,Thats were I thought the conversation involving the camry was going.

No sweat, but it did bring up an important point on why low viscosity oils with their reduced friction work fine in todays high horsepower applications while provioding excellent wear protection.

If aftermarket valvetrains are installed with extremely high pressure springs to prevent high rpm valve float (Think this could be the case with the ford GT??)then extra viscosity for valvetrain protection may be needed.
 
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