Oil Brand consideration Mobil 1 to Kirkland

I don't think that indicates that they have the right to blend something under the Mobil 1 moniker, simply that Mobil is a customer and that they blend products for them. These are likely products where it's more cost effective than for Mobil to do it in-house, which I wouldn't think would include Mobil 1.

That said, that indicates that this is an AI-generated answer, do we have something directly from Warren that confirms it?
 
I don't think that indicates that they have the right to blend something under the Mobil 1 moniker, simply that Mobil is a customer and that they blend products for them. These are likely products where it's more cost effective than for Mobil to do it in-house, which I wouldn't think would include Mobil 1.

That said, that indicates that this is an AI-generated answer, do we have something directly from Warren that confirms it?
I’m sure you could drop them an email for further clarification. I’m ok with the information provided via the web. I worked for a beverage/canning company years back and I’ll tell you name brand and store brand were the same only thing changed on the canning line were the labels. You think green giant has their own farms vs great value. Same could go for oil blending and bottling oil and lubricants
 
I’m sure you could drop them an email for further clarification. I’m ok with the information provided via the web. I worked for a beverage/canning company years back and I’ll tell you name brand and store brand were the same only thing changed on the canning line were the labels. You think green giant has their own farms vs great value. Same could go for oil blending and bottling oil and lubricants
That's not really the same thing though, Mobil is one of the world's largest producers of base stocks, while Warren blends other people's base stocks with commodity additive packages that come from Infineum (Mobil/SOPUS), Afton, Lubrizol, Oronite (Chevron)...etc.

Your comparison is more like Valvoline (before Aramco bought them) and NAPA (also Valvoline, under contract). Both of those are essentially the same product, made from the same components. Valvoline doesn't manufacture base oils or additive packages, just like "Green Giant" doesn't run farms.

You are the one that made the claim in this thread, it's not my responsibility to verify its veracity. I'm questioning it because it's AI generated (as indicated in your screenshot) but you are under no obligation to provide further proof, I've simply asked if you had any. Your answer appears to be no.
 
That's not really the same thing though, Mobil is one of the world's largest producers of base stocks, while Warren blends other people's base stocks with commodity additive packages that come from Infineum (Mobil/SOPUS), Afton, Lubrizol, Oronite (Chevron)...etc.

Your comparison is more like Valvoline (before Aramco bought them) and NAPA (also Valvoline, under contract). Both of those are essentially the same product, made from the same components. Valvoline doesn't manufacture base oils or additive packages, just like "Green Giant" doesn't run farms.

You are the one that made the claim in this thread, it's not my responsibility to verify its veracity. I'm questioning it because it's AI generated (as indicated in your screenshot) but you are under no obligation to provide further proof, I've simply asked if you had any. Your answer appears to be no.
No need to get hostile I never stated it was fact. If I recall a few posts back I said not sure how reputable the sources are. Nothing wrong with an AI generated response obviously there is data to a degree pertaining to this (?) on the world wide web for an answer to have been generated.
 
No need to get hostile I never stated it was fact. If I recall a few posts back I said not sure how reputable the sources are. Nothing wrong with an AI generated response obviously there is data to a degree pertaining to this (?) on the world wide web for an answer to have been generated.
No hostility intended, just don't think passing the burden of proof to the person posing the question was the appropriate course of action here.

I've had AI give me outright wrong responses, which is why I asked if we had something actually from Warren to back it up. If you don't, that's fine, that's why I asked.
 
Only that conflicts with additive companies - so you go on ignore bcs you constantly post this empty rhetoric …
It's too bad you cannot prove me wrong. Just being a fanboy of a brand does not make a product the best, or most effective to use. Your free to use whatever you want, and believe whatever you want. I don't care what you believe.,,
 
According to what and how far back are you going to when the decline happened?
I still remember the time when Mobil 1 came out with their Tri Synthetic formula, probably in the mid to late 90s, and it was made with three different base oils (AN, PAO and ester) and in those days it was the only version available. So I think once they started introducing their EP line and ESP, they didn’t put as much effort into the regular version of M1 and instead saved all the better ingredients for the higher priced product lines.
 
Yep I did the same thing I was using M1 0w20 and all of my previous cars were M1 or Valvoline. We're not talking high dollar oil here. I switched to Kirkland brand I can get 10 quarts for $36. Why not! I change the oil frequently and don't care about Bean Counting
 
I still remember the time when Mobil 1 came out with their Tri Synthetic formula, probably in the mid to late 90s, and it was made with three different base oils (AN, PAO and ester) and in those days it was the only version available. So I think once they started introducing their EP line and ESP, they didn’t put as much effort into the regular version of M1 and instead saved all the better ingredients for the higher priced product lines.
I'll agree with you in the sense that I also feel EP (or ESP) are worth choosing over vanilla M1 from a quality standpoint. I don't think standard M1 is a bad product by any means, but EP is such a small price difference (about 3 dollars US per jug) that it's almost a no-brainer to go EP and has been for years now.
 
I'll agree with you in the sense that I also feel EP (or ESP) are worth choosing over vanilla M1 from a quality standpoint. I don't think standard M1 is a bad product by any means, but EP is such a small price difference (about 3 dollars US per jug) that it's almost a no-brainer to go EP and has been for years now.
I’m definitely not saying that it’s a bad product, just that it’s probably not a significant amount better than a lot of the entry level synthetics these days (such as Kirkland/Supertech)

It’s been a number of years since I last used the vanilla M1, probably close to ten years now actually.
 
No hostility intended, just don't think passing the burden of proof to the person posing the question was the appropriate course of action here.

I've had AI give me outright wrong responses, which is why I asked if we had something actually from Warren to back it up. If you don't, that's fine, that's why I asked.
Funny story. Someone I work with thinks AI is always right. A guy I know updated the Wikipedia page for Iron Maiden to say the original lead guitarist was Mickey Mouse. Then asked AI and sure enough, Mickey Mouse. The look on our co-workers face was hilarious. Someone removed it on Wiki within half an hour. Which makes me wonder who, exactly, is policing it.

My point is, AI is just a fancy search engine right now, garbage in garbage out. Doesn’t make it true. So I agree with you 100%.
 
I’d say Kirkland is majority group 3 and group 2.

LSJR has some really good comparisons between the various M1 formulas done at the HPL lab. His best work imo. Most of his other stuff doesn’t interest me.
How can we access these comparisons?
 
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