NTSB urges Mandate to Limit the Speed of new Vehicles to the Posted Speed limit.

[OVERKILL]

I think at the scientific peer reviewed published paper level, this is still pretty uncommon, but somehow we have large parts of the general public who don't understand how science is supposed to work and how it can help governments make good policy, and don't think that's a problem....

I'm speaking specifically of government. The Green Energy Act for example, Bill C-21, the current hydrogen extravaganza. This stuff is driven more by advocacy and special interest groups than by scientific peer review.

 

[Exhaustgases]

The 55mph speed limit I see is only 2 lanes here. All the actual 4 lanes are 65mph or 70mph. I don't think most of our 2 lanes due to curves and terrain are safe for 65-70mph for larger non performance vehicles. Some even have 45mph advisories for corners.


It's not legal to do 100 to pass on a 2 lane road. Most states its not legal to exceed the speed limit at all to pass. There are apparently exceptions for a few states that allow up to 15mph over for passing which I did not know until I fact checked myself before replying.

I had studied that years ago, it says "what ever speed is necessary to pass". And especially if suddenly there is an on coming car and your almost past the vehicle which could be a long truck. Or your saying just putt along and head on into someone?
Me when someone is passing me on such a road I pull over as far as I can and slow a bit and let them pass. Some people think its a race.
So yes it is legal.

 

[alarmguy]

I read these posts and it’s a heated debate I can see but it still brings me back to this.

It has nothing to do with freedom, nothing to do with a nanny.
All it has to do with is why should a car be allowed to break the law and go over the speed limit?

There is no reason and todays electrics can prevent breaking the law.

It will happen someday whether you like it or not.
BTW I am not advocating this just playing devil’s advocate. How can someone justify not implementing this

 

[Torrid]

I read these posts and it’s a heated debate I can see but it still brings me back to this.

It has nothing to do with freedom, nothing to do with a nanny.
All it has to do with is why should a car be allowed to break the law and go over the speed limit?

There is no reason and todays electrics can prevent breaking the law.

It will happen someday whether you like it or not.
BTW I am not advocating this just playing devil’s advocate. How can someone justify not implementing this

It might be fun?

It doesn't make it right, but I have a stupid childish thrill to feel like I'm on a roller coaster controlled by my right foot.

 

[Opelman]

Interesting discussion. My experience with a speed limiter was on a school bus equipped with the Bendix Wingman system. It is a combo of radar and camera. Lane departure, following distance, speed limiting, crash avoidance all included. On one trip I was driving the speed limit of 45 when I passed into a school zone marked 25 when children are present. (CA) Wingman alarmed and pulled throttle back momentarily. Problem is that it was the middle of summer, no school in session which means that 25 is not in force. This is a regular false alarm occurrence with Wingman.Same trip in the right lane of a congested freeway the Wingman alarmed and smashed the brakes on as I passed an off ramp that was backed up almost to the travel lane. Absolutely no need to brake. Cars behind were not pleased. The fewer electronic nannys the better as far as I am concerned.

 

[alarmguy]

More people speed than smoke dope, and they're loosening regs on that.

Once you get about 30% of the population doing something, it's hard to tell them not to, politically.

IF this were to happen, it would probably be through insurance companies giving a discount for cars that did this. If the insurance market got crowded enough, eg you had to pay a super premium price for unlimited speed insurance, then you'd be "forced" to take it. Insuring some Teslas is already... interesting, with Tesla themselves subsidizing policies.

Great point!
One never knows, it could become a de facto standard just by insurance companies offering great rates to some and higher rates to those who won’t.
I would think though with rule of law car companies MAY not want to open the can of worms.

Yet, thinking about it, don’t self driving vehicles adhere to the speed limit ??

 

[alarmguy]

My car has a button for that. It can read speed limit signs and respond accordingly.
That button was turned of after the first 5 miles of driving, never to be activated again! VERY UNSAFE!

The NTSB only mentions using GPS data

 

[alarmguy]

My insurance company currently offers a discount. But there's a catch. I have to allow them to install a device in my vehicle that records my driving.

I said absolutely not. I will pay more to maintain my freedom.

I do not always want to drive 55, and occasionally if the sun is shining my Mustang GT has a tendency to cause its rear tires to loose friction for some reason.

Anybody who is OK with this government neutering needs to lose their American citizenship. Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves.

I get it, my wife and I tried those devices as a trial. To me it was a scam, didn’t see much discount and switched companies.

However to play devils advocate on your last two lines. Government neutering? How can that be? Your only prevented from breaking the law. We the people set those laws.

This is why I can see a future where this will happen. It’s hard to make a case against it. Actually impossible. I’m not advocating it, I really push the “limit” in my travels and I will be slowed down quite a bit.
I’m just saying the more I read all these threads I haven’t seen one issue that isn’t solvable to implement this.
Including self driving cars will be doing the speed limit too.

 

[jeepman3071]

I get it, my wife and I tried those devices as a trial. To me it was a scam, didn’t see much discount and switched companies.

However to play devils advocate on your last two lines. Government neutering? How can that be? Your only prevented from breaking the law. We the people set those laws.

This is why I can see a future where this will happen. It’s hard to make a case against it. Actually impossible. I’m not advocating it, I really push the “limit” in my travels and I will be slowed down quite a bit.
I’m just saying the more I read all these threads I haven’t seen one issue that isn’t solvable to implement this.
Including self driving cars will be doing the speed limit too.

The issue is with government entities it always comes down to "rules for thee, but not for me".

 

[Torrid]

I get it, my wife and I tried those devices as a trial. To me it was a scam, didn’t see much discount and switched companies.

However to play devils advocate on your last two lines. Government neutering? How can that be? Your only prevented from breaking the law. We the people set those laws.

This is why I can see a future where this will happen. It’s hard to make a case against it. Actually impossible. I’m not advocating it, I really push the “limit” in my travels and I will be slowed down quite a bit.
I’m just saying the more I read all these threads I haven’t seen one issue that isn’t solvable to implement this.
Including self driving cars will be doing the speed limit too.

I hate to bring back to railroading again but we have a system known as Positive Train Control. It won’t let you speed or violate authority because it’s so restrictive that it would intervene well before you’d get there, so that bad thing it thought you were about to do never happens. Employees get fired for getting too many enforcements instead of getting fired for speeding or violating authority.

In other words we made all the bad stuff not happen, so now we fire people for something they would have done instead.

 

[KrisZ]

I hate to bring back to railroading again but we have a system known as Positive Train Control. It won’t let you speed or violate authority because it’s so restrictive that it would intervene well before you’d get there, so that bad thing it thought you were about to do never happens. Employees get fired for getting too many enforcements instead of getting fired for speeding or violating authority.

In other words we made all the bad stuff not happen, so now we fire people for something they would have done instead.

Did you ever watch The Minority Report?

If the government makes it impossible to brake the law, they will make the thought of breaking the law punishable. The "thought police" comes to mind from a pretty good book.

 

[loneryder]

I thought this is significant enough news to start a new thread.
The technology is here, Heck I bet every EV on the market can be speed limited. I will go further and bet Tesla can to it with an other the air update.
Only makes sense. The new EVs are massively powerful, compact cars with 300+ horsepower, crazy acceleration times.

It may take decades or maybe a decade but I think it will happen simply because no one can come up with a reason why it shouldn't.
Wow, just think of all the lives saved. Im not a person who likes all this stuff limiting our so called freedoms but I have thrown in the towel on that *LOL* So bring it on. Yes, its ok to flame me, its not like I am a proponent but I read these crazy stories and even threads in here about the crazy speed and acceleration times and well, Im not so sure one can make an argument against it. I mean, the speed limit is the limit, right?

With that said, this is not EV specific so I posted it here. It's about all vehicles.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets...s-mandate-technology-reduce-speeding-new-cars

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This proposal also includes the ability to shut your car down. How long before that starts being abused??

 

[alarmguy]

This proposal also includes the ability to shut your car down. How long before that starts being abused??

I dont disagree with you! For some reason people just go along with "stuff' in every aspect of our lives to feel safe but can not talk about it in this forum. It's every aspect of mankind going back centuries.
Good pick up on the shutdown thing. I can actually see people going along with that too. Remember once again, I am not endorsing any of this but trying to discuss a valid good reason why it wont happen. Im not so sure I can think of one when it is presented to the public.
We seem to roll over all the time.

 

[JohnnyG]

The NTSB only mentions using GPS data

The recent story I read said that it is considering using all available technologies, including cameras, radar, and GPS data.

 

[GON]

I dont disagree with you! For some reason people just go along with "stuff' in every aspect of our lives to feel safe but can not talk about it in this forum. It's every aspect of mankind going back centuries.
Good pick up on the shutdown thing.

Is there a individual, right now working at Tesla that has the ability, soley on his own action, with or without authorization, that can immediately immobilize any Tesla in the USA?

 

[CKN]

I dont disagree with you! For some reason people just go along with "stuff' in every aspect of our lives to feel safe but can not talk about it in this forum. It's every aspect of mankind going back centuries.
Good pick up on the shutdown thing.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-release...d new data on,all traffic fatalities in 2021.

 

[alarmguy]

Is there a individual, right now working at Tesla that has the ability, soley on his own action, with or without authorization, that can immediately immobilize any Tesla in the USA?

I was replying to the person who posted to me @loneryder I think he is referring to the police having the capability to shut down your car if you try to evade them and most likely be able to deactivate your car while they have you pulled over.

 

[GON]

I was replying to the person who posted to me @loneryder I think he is referring to the police having the capability to shut down your car if you try to evade them and most likely be able to deactivate your car while they have you pulled over.

AG, fully tracking the context of your reply. But it triggered the question, is there a person, right now, that can immediately immobilize any Tesla in the USA right now, from his office in San Francisco or wherever, with or without "orders" to do so?

 

[alarmguy]

https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-release...d new data on,all traffic fatalities in 2021.

Yes, I posted this link someplace in the insanely last 11 pages *LOL*
It's a compelling argument and I dont see how, in the future it can be avoided, limiting cars to the speed limit. Thats why I started the thread. So far I haven't heard any good reasons that it shouldn't be implemented. (once again, I am not taking the position just discussing what is going to stop it)

 

[alarmguy]

AG, fully tracking the context of your reply. But it triggered the question, is there a person, right now, that can immediately immobilize any Tesla in the USA right now, from his office in San Francisco or wherever, with or without "orders" to do so?

I have no clue but wasnt there something about police contacting OnStar a few times and had cars turned off?
Again, I dont know the answers.

Update @GON

Here you go =
https://www.12news.com/article/news...rsuit/75-9ab58549-0c21-4dfc-9e68-c1a096efddce

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news...n-at-gunpoint-on-woodland-avenue-in-cleveland

MANY more in the link-
onstar turns off cars for police