Said the guy that's only thinking about himself and not his mother, daughter, wife or girlfriend that just wants the thing to start on every cold morning and just get them to work. And oh, by the way, get some kind of decent gas mileage.
Uh… what? The ZF8 is very widely regarded as one of the best automatics ever, albeit some manufacturers have better tuning than others. It’s also been around for over a decade at this point…. If it was truly a disaster I’d think we’d see various forums and Facebook posts littered with how much of a “disaster” it was.
I'm guessing he is talking about the transverse ZF9 speed - that was a hunk of crap in every Jeep/Chrysler it went into and why Honda decided to use it after knowing all the complaints is beyond me.
That I’ll agree 100% on. One drive with one was enough to make me never consider owning a vehicle with one, I’ll take the supremely rubber band feeling Jatco CVT that was in my Caliber over a ZF9.
I thought dealers could order all the carb’d small blocks they want—they just can’t install them into any new cars, or old cars newer than a certain age, due to meeting emissions requirements. AFAIK there is no law mandating EFI—it’s just that it’s impossible to meet evaporative emissions, cold start emissions, running emissions and have a hope of meeting CAFE otherwise.
So then, per my previous post, you and I completely agree.
...but those buyers keep a lot of folks employed.
This is my mentality too. I think Toyota can do this right. The 3.5L ecoboost had its issues, but they could have easily been navigated around.
Yep… and for as much crap as I give Toyota for pumping out appliances, I can’t fault them for the way they design their stuff. Let everyone else get it out to market first, see what’s working and what’s a spectacular failure, pick the best of what’s working, refine it further, and release your own version of it. Apple does the same thing and it works phenomenally.
Like that pushrod engine for NASCAR ?
Somewhere around there I'm sure, for the USA at least.
Fairly irrelevant example, even GM Caprice Taxis make it to a million miles.
What will really bake your noodle is that the average yearly cost of vehicle maintenance and repair is going up. Parts costs are up, labor costs are up, engine replacement costs are up.Have they demonstrated themselves to be more problematic? I’d love to see evidence of that. The Coyote is on Gen3 and the 2nd gen was a cock up. The 8-speed ZF in the ram is in Everything and might just be the best transmission around. what about more gears makes it bad?
The 2.7 has a great track record thus far, and revisions to engine design are exceptionally common amongst ALL engine types And manufacturers. What about it do you think makes it more expensive to repair? A turbo? Have you ever looked inside a modern DOHC engine timing cover? Those “simple” V8’s aren’t very simple. long chains, VVT intake/exhaust, etc. lots of scary stuff to go wrong. Even modern pushrods from GM have cylinder deactivation etc.
what will really bake your noodle is that when you look at reliability overall of modern engine design, it’s EON’s better than the “simple, reliable” designs of the past that you seem to be yearning for.
yes, Modern vehicles with complicated engine doohickeys, spinny spinny fans, and “too many gears” are lasting longer than the ancient slush boxes and domestic small blocks of the past. The future is now, old man.
