New Pennzoil ULTRA PDS

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: hbs06
Has there been any verification that the NOACK is correct?

No, and the consensus from those that would know is that the numbers are impossibly low and therefore not correct..


I would like to see PQIA verify these PDSs, it seems too good to be true.

Even GTL basestocks don't have NOACK percentages anywhere near that low.

Given the info that we do have on these oils, I'm not buying it. Although they are now highlighting low volatility as a primary feature.

 

[webfors]

Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: hbs06
Has there been any verification that the NOACK is correct?

No, and the consensus from those that would know is that the numbers are impossibly low and therefore not correct..


I would like to see PQIA verify these PDSs, it seems too good to be true.

Even GTL basestocks don't have NOACK percentages anywhere near that low.

Given the info that we do have on these oils, I'm not buying it. Although they are now highlighting low volatility as a primary feature.

I bet it's accurate. Otherwise one of the "Features" of the oil wouldn't be "Low Volatility Oil". They went out of there way to mention that.

VERY interesting.

 

[webfors]

Pour Point of -51 degrees for all three viscosities!

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: webfors
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: hbs06
Has there been any verification that the NOACK is correct?

No, and the consensus from those that would know is that the numbers are impossibly low and therefore not correct..


I would like to see PQIA verify these PDSs, it seems too good to be true.

Even GTL basestocks don't have NOACK percentages anywhere near that low.

Given the info that we do have on these oils, I'm not buying it. Although they are now highlighting low volatility as a primary feature.

I bet it's accurate. Otherwise one of the "Features" of the oil wouldn't be "Low Volatility Oil". They went out of there way to mention that.

I'll take that bet!
Pennzoil commonly posts errors in their PDS spec's.
For example they're still showing the HTHSV of their Ultra Euro L 5W-30 at 3.68cP, the same for their Euro 5W-40 although the KV spec's are lower and the correct 3.5cP is shown on their European website.

But regarding the US Ultra 5W-20, 5W-30 and 10W-30 grades, how can the 5W-20 NOACK figure be lower than for their 5W-30? Only if they're using heavier base oils which makes no sense.
But the main point as Ben99GT pointed out, is that the NOACK figures are even lower than the base oils for the best GTL fluids. And I don't even know of any suitably low viscosity PAO and Group V oils with NOACK percentages that low.

 

[webfors]

It's the future man!!

Only time will tell. We've wanted this confirmed for a couple of months now.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: webfors
It's the future man!!

Only time will tell. We've wanted this confirmed for a couple of months now.

The spec's are wrong, it's just a matter of how wrong.
If they claimed NOACK of 10, 9 and 8 for the three grades 5W-20 through 10W-30 it would still be impressive for the first GTL oil to hit the market. The reality is going to be something like that.

 

[buster]

I'm going with they are "wrong".

 

[Dakir]

Wonder how many Mobil1 fanboys are gonna jump the wagon.

maybe Mobil1 will be comparable to new PP when it gets updated too. Jk.

 

[Trav]

Quote:
I bet it's accurate. Otherwise one of the "Features" of the oil wouldn't be "Low Volatility Oil". They went out of there way to mention that.


No it cant be, it just cant be i say, they are lying to us and publishing bad data to trick us into buying this oil!

I think they are looking seriously at deposit control in DFI engines.

 

[webfors]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Quote:
I bet it's accurate. Otherwise one of the "Features" of the oil wouldn't be "Low Volatility Oil". They went out of there way to mention that.


No it cant be, it just cant be i say, they are lying to us and publishing bad data to trick us into buying this oil!

I think they are looking seriously at deposit control in DFI engines.


Bingo

 

[ltslimjim]

http://www.pennzoil.com/wp-content/uploa...01112051449.pdf

^They claim their 5w-30 meets ACEA A5/B5-10.

The PDS is now 'current' but the specifications page lists their older PDS information.

 

[Trav]

The simple fact that they are using the same pdf as the original for SN December 2011 001D6400, 001D6401 & 001D6402 leads me to believe there was no reason to change it.
IMO its looking like the info is more likely to be correct than not.

Edit: On this page the pdf is the new one.

http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-ultra-synthetic-oil/

 

[ltslimjim]

http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-ultra-synthetic-oil/#Specifications

^That's what a mean. Still another fail, to me.

 

[Trav]

I see what you mean.

 

[Quattro Pete]

It looks like they've finally corrected the PU 5w-40 PDS as well. It now shows NOACK of 10 vs 11 previously.

http://www.epc.shell.com/documentRetrieve.asp?documentId=93329148

Technically, you can't claim meeting MB 229.5 spec unless your NOACK is 10 or less.

 

[buster]

I think it's under $100 to have it tested. Anyone interested?

 

[webfors]

Originally Posted By: buster
I think it's under $100 to have it tested. Anyone interested?

I'll put $10 towards that. There has to be 10 of us that want to know with certainty!

 

[virginoil]

Originally Posted By: webfors
Originally Posted By: buster
I think it's under $100 to have it tested. Anyone interested?

I'll put $10 towards that. There has to be 10 of us that want to know with certainty!


No. Its not worth it.

BITOG should inform Shell / Pennzoil regarding the matter unless already done.

I am sure Amsoil, Valvoline, Castrol or Mobil will pick on the representation of data if there is one.

 

[Tom NJ]

Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-ultra-synthetic-oil/#Specifications


Looks like they forgot to add SN to the Industry Specifications section for Ultra. If it passes GF-5 it passes SN.

Tom NJ

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: virginoil
BITOG should inform Shell / Pennzoil regarding the matter unless already done.

It's already been done.