New Lubes / CLP's You Want To Try In 2017 ?
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There is a lot of bashing on Froglube (and most of it well deserved), but it does seem do one thing very well. And that is the P part of CLP. I have a 8 oz tub of the paste version and that is what I use it for. Froglube goes on the outside of my carbon steel guns and the internals get lubed with a mineral or synthetic based product. Right now on my shelf for lubes is the Hoppes Benchrest Oil (black bottle Hoppes), Wilson Ultima Lube II Universal, Breakfree CLP, and some Rem Oil (for cold weather). I think I still have a bottle or two of S&W branded lube around too that was made for them by liquid wrench.
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Has anyone used LPS products for gun maintenance?
LPS 3 is a corrosion inhibitor I have had good results with for many other purposes.
I have used them all with good results. I like the Pre-Solve Cleaner & Degreaser for flushing out gunk and dirt. The #3 Rust Inhibitor is good for long term storage in humid climates. Out here in Arizona we don't get a lot of humidity, so that can has remained full for several years. It's still a good product none the less.
Has anyone used LPS products for gun maintenance?
LPS 3 is a corrosion inhibitor I have had good results with for many other purposes.
I have used them all with good results. I like the Pre-Solve Cleaner & Degreaser for flushing out gunk and dirt. The #3 Rust Inhibitor is good for long term storage in humid climates. Out here in Arizona we don't get a lot of humidity, so that can has remained full for several years. It's still a good product none the less.
The Wilson Ultima Lube II Universal has received good write ups - however limited places to obtain it ?
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
There is a lot of bashing on Froglube (and most of it well deserved), but it does seem do one thing very well. And that is the P part of CLP. I have a 8 oz tub of the paste version and that is what I use it for. Froglube goes on the outside of my carbon steel guns and the internals get lubed with a mineral or synthetic based product. Right now on my shelf for lubes is the Hoppes Benchrest Oil (black bottle Hoppes), Wilson Ultima Lube II Universal, Breakfree CLP, and some Rem Oil (for cold weather). I think I still have a bottle or two of S&W branded lube around too that was made for them by liquid wrench.
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
There is a lot of bashing on Froglube (and most of it well deserved), but it does seem do one thing very well. And that is the P part of CLP. I have a 8 oz tub of the paste version and that is what I use it for. Froglube goes on the outside of my carbon steel guns and the internals get lubed with a mineral or synthetic based product. Right now on my shelf for lubes is the Hoppes Benchrest Oil (black bottle Hoppes), Wilson Ultima Lube II Universal, Breakfree CLP, and some Rem Oil (for cold weather). I think I still have a bottle or two of S&W branded lube around too that was made for them by liquid wrench.
Thanks for the Birchwood Casey Synthetic comment Triple_Se7en , I want an oil to stay put and not be too thin or runny . My search for new CLP's with most emphasis on the "L" part will now not include any plant based / bio green / approved materials (I error towards siding with the man with long metals experience for the win ) . That will still leave me with some solid CLP / LP choices to consider . As an added bonus - I will save all my used patches , rags , etc. used with non plant based / bio green CLP's to collect in a box so I can send to North Korea once a year (a good a place as any for disposing such bio hazard items) . Shortly , I want to re- look at 4 to 5 new non - plant based CLP's I have not tried to run by the crew here .
I had moved away from it, but I've gone back to Ballistol recently (a change for 2017, you could say). My firearms are pretty simple (Kel-tec P-32 and Smith Shield pistols, 10/22 and 1894 rifles, and 500 shotgun), and none of them really need to be run wet or heavy with lube. The light coating that Ballistol leaves behind after cleaning is all any of them really need.
Al those boutique lubes are good for is draining cash from people's wallets.
Since I change my own oil, I drain the residual oil from the bottles into a single bottle. Over the last few years I have almost 18oz of synthetic oil. I figure that is more than enough to last me the rest of my life and it is essentially free.
A few years ago I bought a few cans of spray Rem Oil (10 oz cans) for like $3 a can. With these cans and my residual capture, I have more than enough for several people's lives.
Moral of the story, those boutique lubes and cleaners are no better, just FAR MORE expensive.
Since I change my own oil, I drain the residual oil from the bottles into a single bottle. Over the last few years I have almost 18oz of synthetic oil. I figure that is more than enough to last me the rest of my life and it is essentially free.
A few years ago I bought a few cans of spray Rem Oil (10 oz cans) for like $3 a can. With these cans and my residual capture, I have more than enough for several people's lives.
Moral of the story, those boutique lubes and cleaners are no better, just FAR MORE expensive.
Chrisd46- Birchwood casey synthetic gun oil is not a recommended gun lube here. It is very thin and has almost no oil component to it. It is more like a heavy dose of teflon suspended in a solvent. It does clean OK but it dries to a thin film and almost seems to cause rust on metal parts. Thats too bad because it is in expensive, easy to find and I like the flip spout cans it comes in.
Ballistol is a mineral oil based product and only contains a small amount of anise oil as its "plant" component. It should not "gum up" although it will dry to a very slick film if applied heavily and left on a long time. The film that it dries to instantly turns to slick oil again once the parts heat back up. Fluid film has similar properties when used on firearms.
Stchman- Too bad firearms don't have crank cases or oil pumps like engines do. Motor oil also has poor rust preventing qualities. Motor oil is better than some alternatives though. If you are going to use motor oil, 15w-40 or 20w-50 HDEO stays in place and has a better additive package. For very cold climates you can use 5w-40 synthetic HDEO.
Ballistol is a mineral oil based product and only contains a small amount of anise oil as its "plant" component. It should not "gum up" although it will dry to a very slick film if applied heavily and left on a long time. The film that it dries to instantly turns to slick oil again once the parts heat back up. Fluid film has similar properties when used on firearms.
Stchman- Too bad firearms don't have crank cases or oil pumps like engines do. Motor oil also has poor rust preventing qualities. Motor oil is better than some alternatives though. If you are going to use motor oil, 15w-40 or 20w-50 HDEO stays in place and has a better additive package. For very cold climates you can use 5w-40 synthetic HDEO.
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My boutique oils are better. They don't stink - are non-toxic and safe for the environment.
My boutique oils are better. They don't stink - are non-toxic and safe for the environment.
Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
Birchwood Casey Synthetic Oil
... is SOooooo bad. The stuff stinks to high heavens. Its terrible. I dont even know how they can call it a gun lube. My least favorite lube of all time.
Birchwood Casey Synthetic Oil
... is SOooooo bad. The stuff stinks to high heavens. Its terrible. I dont even know how they can call it a gun lube. My least favorite lube of all time.
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I should clarify from my earlier post that I have never tried Birchwood Casey Synthetic Oil in that drip-spout can. The thin Birchwood Casey Synthetic Oil I experienced and was referring to, was when I administered it out of it's spray can.
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Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
Birchwood Casey Synthetic Oil
... is SOooooo bad. The stuff stinks to high heavens. Its terrible. I dont even know how they can call it a gun lube. My least favorite lube of all time.
Funny how you see Birchwood Casey Synthetic in the can at all the big box outdoor / sporting goods stores ... * I wonder how it would be as a cleaner only ?
Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
Birchwood Casey Synthetic Oil
... is SOooooo bad. The stuff stinks to high heavens. Its terrible. I dont even know how they can call it a gun lube. My least favorite lube of all time.
Funny how you see Birchwood Casey Synthetic in the can at all the big box outdoor / sporting goods stores ... * I wonder how it would be as a cleaner only ?
Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
Funny how you see Birchwood Casey Synthetic in the can at all the big box outdoor / sporting goods stores ... * I wonder how it would be as a cleaner only ?
The BC synthetic gun oil works about as well as Rem oil. It works as a light solvent but that is it. It does apply a pretty heavy film of Teflon for lubrication but Teflon is supposed to be a lubrication additive, not the primary lubricating mechanism. If you want to try a gun lube that contains Teflon and actually works well, try Mil-comm, Synco Super lube or Tri-flow.
Funny how you see Birchwood Casey Synthetic in the can at all the big box outdoor / sporting goods stores ... * I wonder how it would be as a cleaner only ?
The BC synthetic gun oil works about as well as Rem oil. It works as a light solvent but that is it. It does apply a pretty heavy film of Teflon for lubrication but Teflon is supposed to be a lubrication additive, not the primary lubricating mechanism. If you want to try a gun lube that contains Teflon and actually works well, try Mil-comm, Synco Super lube or Tri-flow.
Teflon is thought by some to be a bad idea in a bore. That is why I quit using BreafFree CLP.
Bubbatime claims that the ammonia 'compounds' in a particular product cause stress fractures in steel. That claim actually derives from that product's chlorinated hydrocarbon content.
I can't think of any 'new' oils I want to try.
Bubbatime claims that the ammonia 'compounds' in a particular product cause stress fractures in steel. That claim actually derives from that product's chlorinated hydrocarbon content.
I can't think of any 'new' oils I want to try.
Is it Mil - Com that has a reputation for causing micro cracks in metal ?
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Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
Funny how you see Birchwood Casey Synthetic in the can at all the big box outdoor / sporting goods stores ... * I wonder how it would be as a cleaner only ?
The BC synthetic gun oil works about as well as Rem oil. It works as a light solvent but that is it. It does apply a pretty heavy film of Teflon for lubrication but Teflon is supposed to be a lubrication additive, not the primary lubricating mechanism. If you want to try a gun lube that contains Teflon and actually works well, try Mil-comm, Synco Super lube or Tri-flow.
Originally Posted By: AMC
Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
Funny how you see Birchwood Casey Synthetic in the can at all the big box outdoor / sporting goods stores ... * I wonder how it would be as a cleaner only ?
The BC synthetic gun oil works about as well as Rem oil. It works as a light solvent but that is it. It does apply a pretty heavy film of Teflon for lubrication but Teflon is supposed to be a lubrication additive, not the primary lubricating mechanism. If you want to try a gun lube that contains Teflon and actually works well, try Mil-comm, Synco Super lube or Tri-flow.
I don't know whether the stress cracking has been shown to be caused by any firearm product specifically. Steel stress cracking under certain conditions in the presence of chlorine compounds is fairly well known, and a particular firearm product has been 'attacked' over the issue. Again, I don't know whether the issue has ever been shown to actually occur in firearms, or to have any measurable impact.
ALG Go-Juice is the only one that I can think of that I'd like to try.
ALG is the sister company of Geissele, the folks who make trigger groups.
ALG is the sister company of Geissele, the folks who make trigger groups.
SuperDave456 : The ALG Go-Juice appears to be a worthy oil worth trying - also $11.50 per 4 oz. is a lower price than what other similar gun oil makers charge .
Originally Posted By: SuperDave456
ALG Go-Juice is the only one that I can think of that I'd like to try.
ALG is the sister company of Geissele, the folks who make trigger groups.
Originally Posted By: SuperDave456
ALG Go-Juice is the only one that I can think of that I'd like to try.
ALG is the sister company of Geissele, the folks who make trigger groups.
Originally Posted By: bulwnkl
Teflon is thought by some to be a bad idea in a bore. That is why I quit using BreafFree CLP.
Breakfree CLP hasn't had Teflon it for more than a decade, per their tech support.
Edit: Website says they have PTFE in it. Who knows ???
Teflon is thought by some to be a bad idea in a bore. That is why I quit using BreafFree CLP.
Breakfree CLP hasn't had Teflon it for more than a decade, per their tech support.
Edit: Website says they have PTFE in it. Who knows ???
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