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Originally Posted By: dakota99
Soo syntec is now edge with syntec power and edge is now edge with titanium power?
LOL ugh, my head already hurts in the oil aisle.
There was a post a few days ago about how Castrol was dropping some of their brand names and making new one. I assumed they were going to come out with a new name, not this name shuffle. Kinda odd, IMO.
Soo syntec is now edge with syntec power and edge is now edge with titanium power?
LOL ugh, my head already hurts in the oil aisle.
There was a post a few days ago about how Castrol was dropping some of their brand names and making new one. I assumed they were going to come out with a new name, not this name shuffle. Kinda odd, IMO.
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Johnny - There is no doubt that Edge is a great product for Castrol. It has been well developed (I spent time with Castrol Engineering staff involved at Nurburg) and of course it is an off shoot of the BMW and VW-Audi Group's "exclusive" Professional range!
Castrol's engine lubricant products have not always been good at minimising deposits - most had/have great wear protection - and I speak with considerable user/Consultant experience of this over several decades - but the Edge evolution experience shows that it is now about as good as all the other "major players" such as Shell, Mobil and etc - product for product!
I would use it in a flash..................
It is sad that some lubricant purveyors seek answers about "proof" when they cannot provide it themselves. Advertising is just that - it is in the field of operation that matters - and Edge does that very well indeed!
As for "Brands" - I mentioned on here about theree years ago that the "majors" including Castrol and Mobil are in a Global rationaisation programme - perhaps there will be less Brands in the end
Johnny - There is no doubt that Edge is a great product for Castrol. It has been well developed (I spent time with Castrol Engineering staff involved at Nurburg) and of course it is an off shoot of the BMW and VW-Audi Group's "exclusive" Professional range!
Castrol's engine lubricant products have not always been good at minimising deposits - most had/have great wear protection - and I speak with considerable user/Consultant experience of this over several decades - but the Edge evolution experience shows that it is now about as good as all the other "major players" such as Shell, Mobil and etc - product for product!
I would use it in a flash..................
It is sad that some lubricant purveyors seek answers about "proof" when they cannot provide it themselves. Advertising is just that - it is in the field of operation that matters - and Edge does that very well indeed!
As for "Brands" - I mentioned on here about theree years ago that the "majors" including Castrol and Mobil are in a Global rationaisation programme - perhaps there will be less Brands in the end
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Originally Posted By: tinmanSC
There was a post a few days ago about how Castrol was dropping some of their brand names and making new one. I assumed they were going to come out with a new name, not this name shuffle. Kinda odd, IMO.
mobil is doing the exact same thing, im thinking its due to the new spec
There was a post a few days ago about how Castrol was dropping some of their brand names and making new one. I assumed they were going to come out with a new name, not this name shuffle. Kinda odd, IMO.
mobil is doing the exact same thing, im thinking its due to the new spec
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Not "re-rebuttaled" in the least. Simply looking for proof of the alleged cleaning abilities of Edge, when frankly I have seen the opposite.
You've seen the lack of cleaning ability of Edge? Pictures? I think perhaps the new SN formula makes it even better.
Not "re-rebuttaled" in the least. Simply looking for proof of the alleged cleaning abilities of Edge, when frankly I have seen the opposite.
You've seen the lack of cleaning ability of Edge? Pictures? I think perhaps the new SN formula makes it even better.
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Originally Posted By: kcfx4
"simply looking for proof of the alledged cleaning abilites of edge, when frankly ive seen the opposite." care to share? and i never spoke of edge having miracle cleaning abilities, infact i made it obvious that mine was an opinion, as well as dermapaint made clear his was an opinion. you said youd like to see pics of engines @ 40k running edge, well if the engine is still running strong as most are @ 40k regardless of oil, why would we tear down? Im confident that edge is stepping on amsoils heels and they know it.
I've seen the fill holes, tear downs and even some pictures. Search around a bit. It's not what you would expect from a premium product. Of course you are free to have an opinion just as I am. I value your opinion and take it seriously. If sound is going to be the driver in selecting motor oils, Amsoil may want to change their game plan. I'm pretty sure Amsoil sees the rise of these Group III oils and rather than shy away, a) had a superior product before these came out and b) did a better job at differentiating two tiers of Group III oils unlike a couple big names. I've made my observation. This is an Edge thread. Enough said.
"simply looking for proof of the alledged cleaning abilites of edge, when frankly ive seen the opposite." care to share? and i never spoke of edge having miracle cleaning abilities, infact i made it obvious that mine was an opinion, as well as dermapaint made clear his was an opinion. you said youd like to see pics of engines @ 40k running edge, well if the engine is still running strong as most are @ 40k regardless of oil, why would we tear down? Im confident that edge is stepping on amsoils heels and they know it.
I've seen the fill holes, tear downs and even some pictures. Search around a bit. It's not what you would expect from a premium product. Of course you are free to have an opinion just as I am. I value your opinion and take it seriously. If sound is going to be the driver in selecting motor oils, Amsoil may want to change their game plan. I'm pretty sure Amsoil sees the rise of these Group III oils and rather than shy away, a) had a superior product before these came out and b) did a better job at differentiating two tiers of Group III oils unlike a couple big names. I've made my observation. This is an Edge thread. Enough said.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Not "re-rebuttaled" in the least. Simply looking for proof of the alleged cleaning abilities of Edge, when frankly I have seen the opposite.
You've seen the lack of cleaning ability of Edge? Pictures? I think perhaps the new SN formula makes it even better.
+1, care to share the pics? what can you offer me oil and filter for $35ish?
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Not "re-rebuttaled" in the least. Simply looking for proof of the alleged cleaning abilities of Edge, when frankly I have seen the opposite.
You've seen the lack of cleaning ability of Edge? Pictures? I think perhaps the new SN formula makes it even better.
+1, care to share the pics? what can you offer me oil and filter for $35ish?
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Originally Posted By: shpankey
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'm having trouble loading the MSDS. Is the 0W20 & 5W20 any different? Thanks!
New stuff...
0w20 kv40: 49.35, kv100: 8.25, FP: 220c, 428f
5w20 kv40: 49.86, kv100: 9.09, FP: 220c, 428f
...old formulas...
0w20 kv40: 38.62, kv100: 8.85
5w20 kv40: 42.7, kv100: 8.34
Where did you get those new spec's from as I didn't see it on their PDS. They don't make any sense at all. That would give OW-20 a VI of only 141, less than their 5W-20 and worse than any 5W-20 dino on the market!
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'm having trouble loading the MSDS. Is the 0W20 & 5W20 any different? Thanks!
New stuff...
0w20 kv40: 49.35, kv100: 8.25, FP: 220c, 428f
5w20 kv40: 49.86, kv100: 9.09, FP: 220c, 428f
...old formulas...
0w20 kv40: 38.62, kv100: 8.85
5w20 kv40: 42.7, kv100: 8.34
Where did you get those new spec's from as I didn't see it on their PDS. They don't make any sense at all. That would give OW-20 a VI of only 141, less than their 5W-20 and worse than any 5W-20 dino on the market!
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: shpankey
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'm having trouble loading the MSDS. Is the 0W20 & 5W20 any different? Thanks!
New stuff...
0w20 kv40: 49.35, kv100: 8.25, FP: 220c, 428f
5w20 kv40: 49.86, kv100: 9.09, FP: 220c, 428f
...old formulas...
0w20 kv40: 38.62, kv100: 8.85
5w20 kv40: 42.7, kv100: 8.34
Where did you get those new spec's from as I didn't see it on their PDS. They don't make any sense at all. That would give OW-20 a VI of only 141, less than their 5W-20 and worse than any 5W-20 dino on the market!
It's on page 4 paragraph 9 of this MSDS sheet:
Originally Posted By: shpankey
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'm having trouble loading the MSDS. Is the 0W20 & 5W20 any different? Thanks!
New stuff...
0w20 kv40: 49.35, kv100: 8.25, FP: 220c, 428f
5w20 kv40: 49.86, kv100: 9.09, FP: 220c, 428f
...old formulas...
0w20 kv40: 38.62, kv100: 8.85
5w20 kv40: 42.7, kv100: 8.34
Where did you get those new spec's from as I didn't see it on their PDS. They don't make any sense at all. That would give OW-20 a VI of only 141, less than their 5W-20 and worse than any 5W-20 dino on the market!
It's on page 4 paragraph 9 of this MSDS sheet:
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Pablo, that was spoken like a true amsoil rep, the superior product is a matter of opinion, wich you said were all entilted to. Sound, feel, performance, and better mpgs is all I have to go with, since i have no reason to open up a good engine & look. but ive never heard any extra noise or what sounds like metal banging together using edge? hmm
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I am afraid Doug Hillary is right, the majors are seeking to squash smaller competition. There maybe some specialty fields such as racing for example that some of the small players will have a presence but I really think there are tough times ahead for "small oil".
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Originally Posted By: chubbs1
I am afraid Doug Hillary is right, the majors are seeking to squash smaller competition. There maybe some specialty fields such as racing for example that some of the small players will have a presence but I really think there are tough times ahead for "small oil".
you cant be on top forever, competitors catch up in time, i brag on Edge, but im sure M1 and sopus are getting there as well, its a matter of time, again i say their all nipping on amsoils heels and amsoil just doesnt have the answer it seems
I am afraid Doug Hillary is right, the majors are seeking to squash smaller competition. There maybe some specialty fields such as racing for example that some of the small players will have a presence but I really think there are tough times ahead for "small oil".
you cant be on top forever, competitors catch up in time, i brag on Edge, but im sure M1 and sopus are getting there as well, its a matter of time, again i say their all nipping on amsoils heels and amsoil just doesnt have the answer it seems
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Originally Posted By: chubbs1
I am afraid Doug Hillary is right, the majors are seeking to squash smaller competition. There maybe some specialty fields such as racing for example that some of the small players will have a presence but I really think there are tough times ahead for "small oil".
The big names dominate most larger racing bodies as well. Look at the presence of the Mobil 1 brand in various racing bodies.
Not only that.... But look at what the racers are using. Off the shelf Mobil 1 products (M1 0w40 comes to mind here immediately) that you and I can purchase. This bolsters their reputation even more.
I am afraid Doug Hillary is right, the majors are seeking to squash smaller competition. There maybe some specialty fields such as racing for example that some of the small players will have a presence but I really think there are tough times ahead for "small oil".
The big names dominate most larger racing bodies as well. Look at the presence of the Mobil 1 brand in various racing bodies.
Not only that.... But look at what the racers are using. Off the shelf Mobil 1 products (M1 0w40 comes to mind here immediately) that you and I can purchase. This bolsters their reputation even more.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: shpankey
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'm having trouble loading the MSDS. Is the 0W20 & 5W20 any different? Thanks!
New stuff...
0w20 kv40: 49.35, kv100: 8.25, FP: 220c, 428f
5w20 kv40: 49.86, kv100: 9.09, FP: 220c, 428f
...old formulas...
0w20 kv40: 38.62, kv100: 8.85
5w20 kv40: 42.7, kv100: 8.34
Where did you get those new spec's from as I didn't see it on their PDS. They don't make any sense at all. That would give OW-20 a VI of only 141, less than their 5W-20 and worse than any 5W-20 dino on the market!
It's on page 4 paragraph 9 of this MSDS sheet:
http://datasheets.bp.com/USSDS/AMERSDSF.nsf/0/157A829D4B0B9E0F862578290053CFFE/$file/168297Castrol%20Edge%20with%20FST%20Titanium%200W-20.pdf
Okay, I see them now. Clearly the MSDS figures are a mistake.
It's probably worth bringing it to Castrol's attention if you can actually get hold of anyone that knows anything about motor oil.
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: shpankey
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'm having trouble loading the MSDS. Is the 0W20 & 5W20 any different? Thanks!
New stuff...
0w20 kv40: 49.35, kv100: 8.25, FP: 220c, 428f
5w20 kv40: 49.86, kv100: 9.09, FP: 220c, 428f
...old formulas...
0w20 kv40: 38.62, kv100: 8.85
5w20 kv40: 42.7, kv100: 8.34
Where did you get those new spec's from as I didn't see it on their PDS. They don't make any sense at all. That would give OW-20 a VI of only 141, less than their 5W-20 and worse than any 5W-20 dino on the market!
It's on page 4 paragraph 9 of this MSDS sheet:
http://datasheets.bp.com/USSDS/AMERSDSF.nsf/0/157A829D4B0B9E0F862578290053CFFE/$file/168297Castrol%20Edge%20with%20FST%20Titanium%200W-20.pdf
Okay, I see them now. Clearly the MSDS figures are a mistake.
It's probably worth bringing it to Castrol's attention if you can actually get hold of anyone that knows anything about motor oil.
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Okay, I see them now. Clearly the MSDS figures are a mistake.
It's probably worth bringing it to Castrol's attention if you can actually get hold of anyone that knows anything about motor oil.
You also think there might be an error. Getting it across to someone at Castrol in the know would be a tall order I think. I will shoot them an email Monday, but won't be online much next week. Maybe if they get a few emails questioning the numbers they'll actually take a look.
Okay, I see them now. Clearly the MSDS figures are a mistake.
It's probably worth bringing it to Castrol's attention if you can actually get hold of anyone that knows anything about motor oil.
You also think there might be an error. Getting it across to someone at Castrol in the know would be a tall order I think. I will shoot them an email Monday, but won't be online much next week. Maybe if they get a few emails questioning the numbers they'll actually take a look.
I have a keen set of ears for mechanical noises; driving used older vehicles has contributed to that. I had my '00 Accord for 10.5 years and ran QS, PYB, PP and M1 all 5w-30 and never heard nor felt any difference in the running nor MPG. In my old Range Rover I ran M5k, Rotella, M1, PP, VWB, Maxlife even Shell-whatever was on sale in other words. Never any difference, other than starting when switched to a 5w-30 in the winter vs. 10w-40. If staying in grade is assumed I am envious that people can feel a difference.
Yeah those specs just seemed whack to me. I hope you're right that they're a mistake. I like the thicker 100c numbers but the 40c numbers almost have to be a mistake. Their old 10w30 is thinner at both temps than their new 5w30... I'm thinking that can't be right.
I hope it's just the 40c numbers that are off as I rather like the 100c numbers.
p.s. CATERHAM, I'm curious if you could tell a laymen like me how to calculate the VI based off those numbers. That would come in really handy to know as sometimes I can't find it and would love to calculate it myself! TIA
p.s. Pablo, why are you asking people to prove their opinions? Even if it isn't expressly said, it kind of goes without saying. I doubt anyone in here mistook their words for being absolutes. Certainly not a Bitogian (see what I did there?
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As for mine, I'm with them, Edge was very smooth, quiet and held up extremely well. There's not a whole lot we can comment on as far as absolute "proof" of Edge oil without having a uoa or teardown of some sort... and like k said, if we were having to teardown an engine at only 40k miles, I very much doubt we'd be commenting we love the oil!
And the great Edge UOA's out there speak for themselves. Their 500k mile 15 year warranty at least shows Castrol believes in it working for an engine a very long time. For as much as those warranties are worth anyhow. But at least it's something.
I hope it's just the 40c numbers that are off as I rather like the 100c numbers.
p.s. CATERHAM, I'm curious if you could tell a laymen like me how to calculate the VI based off those numbers. That would come in really handy to know as sometimes I can't find it and would love to calculate it myself! TIA
p.s. Pablo, why are you asking people to prove their opinions? Even if it isn't expressly said, it kind of goes without saying. I doubt anyone in here mistook their words for being absolutes. Certainly not a Bitogian (see what I did there?
)
I'll email them, only because I'm curious, I think its a typo. I'll still be using the product, if anything its probably even better now.
As I mentioned if others using the product email them they might actually look at the MSDS sheet, maybe? LOL
As I mentioned if others using the product email them they might actually look at the MSDS sheet, maybe? LOL
Can someone show me a better 1.8t UOA than this?
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