New Castrol Edge PDS with ALL numbers!
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Good find! About time Castrol woke up.
Here's the actual link:
Link: Castrol
Well upon further inspection it looks like they didn't come around as much as I thought, still a lot of "Min" and "Max" values listed. Dummies.
Here's the actual link:
Link: Castrol
Well upon further inspection it looks like they didn't come around as much as I thought, still a lot of "Min" and "Max" values listed. Dummies.
Everything listed except NOACK and TBN. weird...
At a quick glance why is the pour point so much better for the 0W30 and 0W40 than it is for the 0W20, 5W20, and 5W30?
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
At a quick glance why is the pour point so much better for the 0W30 and 0W40 than it is for the 0W20, 5W20, and 5W30?
Probably more PAO content.
Also, how I suspect Castrol views the "HTHS minimum" values instead of actuals:
At a quick glance why is the pour point so much better for the 0W30 and 0W40 than it is for the 0W20, 5W20, and 5W30?
Probably more PAO content.
Also, how I suspect Castrol views the "HTHS minimum" values instead of actuals:
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
At a quick glance why is the pour point so much better for the 0W30 and 0W40 than it is for the 0W20, 5W20, and 5W30?
That is interesting isn't it.
We've got a local brand called co-op. they re-brand lubricants but actually produce their own gasoline and diesel.
Anyways they've got a 0w-40 with a pour point of something nuts like -63. I've never seen any oil with a pour point that low and it states that its got a very high % of pao in it. 28 bucks a gallon too.
So dparm might be right in his assumption.
At a quick glance why is the pour point so much better for the 0W30 and 0W40 than it is for the 0W20, 5W20, and 5W30?
That is interesting isn't it.
We've got a local brand called co-op. they re-brand lubricants but actually produce their own gasoline and diesel.
Anyways they've got a 0w-40 with a pour point of something nuts like -63. I've never seen any oil with a pour point that low and it states that its got a very high % of pao in it. 28 bucks a gallon too.
So dparm might be right in his assumption.
HTHS of 0W20 is 2.9 and it is said to be A3/B4 and Mercedes-Benz 229.5. How can that be ?
Originally Posted By: bigt61
Nice - thanks for posting. Interesting that the VI for the 0W-20 is significantly higher than for the 0W-40. Caterham may be able to shed some light on that.
A 174 VI vs 169 for their 0W-40 isn't really a significant difference. Having a nominal 170 VI for any 0W-XX oil is par for the course. The purpose 0W-XX formulations that have high 185+ VIs is to be lighter at more typical start-up temp's.
I think the Castrol PDS info is still a disappointment. No actual HTHSV spec's except for GC . And no MRV or CCS spec's.
BTW the 159 VI for their 5w30 is one of the lowest VIs for the grade, worse than many dino's, meaning it's a heavy oil on start-up. It's very high CCS of 5,554cP (thanks to PQIA) is a further indication of how heavy this oil is compared to it's peers.
But it's also one of the cleanest burning oils available based on it's very low TEOST deposit score.
Of course neither the CCS nor TEOST score are provided on the PDS
of most companies. It just goes to show how limited the usefulness of most company PDS's are.
Nice - thanks for posting. Interesting that the VI for the 0W-20 is significantly higher than for the 0W-40. Caterham may be able to shed some light on that.
A 174 VI vs 169 for their 0W-40 isn't really a significant difference. Having a nominal 170 VI for any 0W-XX oil is par for the course. The purpose 0W-XX formulations that have high 185+ VIs is to be lighter at more typical start-up temp's.
I think the Castrol PDS info is still a disappointment. No actual HTHSV spec's except for GC . And no MRV or CCS spec's.
BTW the 159 VI for their 5w30 is one of the lowest VIs for the grade, worse than many dino's, meaning it's a heavy oil on start-up. It's very high CCS of 5,554cP (thanks to PQIA) is a further indication of how heavy this oil is compared to it's peers.
But it's also one of the cleanest burning oils available based on it's very low TEOST deposit score.
Of course neither the CCS nor TEOST score are provided on the PDS
of most companies. It just goes to show how limited the usefulness of most company PDS's are.
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
HTHS of 0W20 is 2.9 and it is said to be A3/B4 and Mercedes-Benz 229.5. How can that be ?
Doesn't an oil have to have an ht/hs value of 3.5 to meet that M-B spec?
HTHS of 0W20 is 2.9 and it is said to be A3/B4 and Mercedes-Benz 229.5. How can that be ?
Doesn't an oil have to have an ht/hs value of 3.5 to meet that M-B spec?
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
At a quick glance why is the pour point so much better for the 0W30 and 0W40 than it is for the 0W20, 5W20, and 5W30?
That is interesting isn't it.
We've got a local brand called co-op. they re-brand lubricants but actually produce their own gasoline and diesel.
Anyways they've got a 0w-40 with a pour point of something nuts like -63. I've never seen any oil with a pour point that low and it states that its got a very high % of pao in it. 28 bucks a gallon too.
So dparm might be right in his assumption.
They really butchered the 0W20 from the SM to SN change, and that's what swung me back to Mobil 1 AFE. Just looking at their 0W20 pour point I see no benefit to using it at all. Opinions vary.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
At a quick glance why is the pour point so much better for the 0W30 and 0W40 than it is for the 0W20, 5W20, and 5W30?
That is interesting isn't it.
We've got a local brand called co-op. they re-brand lubricants but actually produce their own gasoline and diesel.
Anyways they've got a 0w-40 with a pour point of something nuts like -63. I've never seen any oil with a pour point that low and it states that its got a very high % of pao in it. 28 bucks a gallon too.
So dparm might be right in his assumption.
They really butchered the 0W20 from the SM to SN change, and that's what swung me back to Mobil 1 AFE. Just looking at their 0W20 pour point I see no benefit to using it at all. Opinions vary.
I'm not a big Castrol fan, but these formulations are probably very good. I'm going by some of the results from the Amsoil White Paper. (TEOST) in particular. I'd use any of these. Don't get fixated on VI.
I'll be sticking with Mobil/Valvoline products though.
I'll be sticking with Mobil/Valvoline products though.
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