New Car New Oil Changes (Toyota Content)

[simple_gifts]

So you're a therapist and an analyst ... I'm so glad you've jumped in to help me better understand the emotional intricacies of an oil change.

There are numerous people with lots of experience working with Toyotas (and other marques) who advocate for 5,000-mile oil changes. They have piles of experience telling them that 5,000-mile changes are beneficial.

So now we have two piles ...

I suspect they see issues on certain engines and never on others. There is enough info to avoid blanket statements that toyotas or other mfg benefit from (i.e. need) 5K intervals over the whole product line.

12-15k in my prius, 10K in my yaris, 12-15K on my friend's 2002 tundra (once 18K) and yearly intervals in my friend 2006 vibe. No issues.

Never seen anyone complaining about 10K being too long on a 2UZ or a 1NZ (owned two); perhaps certain engines are more fragile, i just don't happen on own any of them

If you do, carry on as you have indicated.

 

[Leo99]

But they do have evidence that 10,000-mile changes don't always work well. That's how it works, see?

Different engines, different oils, different environments, different driving situations, and people with different experiences and preferences all help to determine an OCI. There is no one-size-fits-all scenario. If you choose to run a lower-tier oil out to 10,000 miles on a new $45,000 vehicle, it's your choice, your money, and your roll of the dice. I, and others, choose a more conservative path. And there are those who split the difference at 7,500 miles.

Do you really think you're right and those who disagree with you are wrong?

The issue is people often confuse correlation with causation. People don't perform a proper root cause analysis. They jump to whatever their tummy tells them is the cause.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

Good Morning all. I won't go crazy with introductions but will state that my oil changes across the board have always been with Castrol Edge (formerly Syntec when I began using it). Currently in the garage is a 2012 VW GLI 2.0T running the 5W-40 Castrol Edge High Mileage (146k) and previously our 2005 Jeep Liberty 3.7L on Castrol Edge High Mileage 5W-30 (205k). We sold the Jeep and brought in our brand new 2021 Toyota Highlander XLE AWD with the 3.5L V6. So far I love everything about this car and it feels like a spaceship compared to the Jeep.

I am about to do the first oil change and was going to stick with Castrol Edge and use the EP gold bottles instead. I'm pretty religious about 5k oil changes and it seems to call for 5W-30 but am happy to hear about alternative oil brands and weights as well as filters. I was planning on grabbing the Toyota OEM filter. I should add we keep our cars (as evidence in the first paragraph) so this will be around for awhile.

Thanks and look forward to the replies!

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Nice highlander.
I have had several vehicles with the gr series engines (tacomas 4Runners and another Tacoma and a rx350.the current Tacoma is my workhorse racking up a lot of miles.

None are picky about oil. I have run 0w20’s 5w30, 10w30 and 0w40 In the 2grfks. I have settled on usually running 5w30 synthetic for the recommended intervals and or time limits. But I have some leftover mobile 0w40 I will run for the next interval in the Tacoma. The Lexus IS still on new car maintenance plan It will get its first oil change at the dealer in the next month And dump the factory fill that’s been in it since it was bought last
When I drive in severe conditions most of the time I use the severe interval. I like to go up in Viscosity, for a multitude of reasons. . I Would run any 0w20 5w30 or 10w30 synthetic gf5 or 6 synthetic and let the service determine your interval, don’t over think it. Take care of the battery, plugs belts and hoses and coolant every 100k or 10 years and The engine will be fine.
Filter wrench is required, don't over-tighten they seal with an o ring, You can crack the housing if you try to over-tighten.
enjoy the ride And expend mental energy on the real problems faced in life and work. following The recommended maintenance will be better than most vehicles on the road experience.

 

[K.Aoi]

The issue is people often confuse correlation with causation. People don't perform a proper root cause analysis. They jump to whatever their tummy tells them is the cause.

As someone who works in IT, this is absolutely true. I can't help but notice that the former Honda tech has not answered my question about what specific issues he saw that he says are caused by extended oil change intervals. Proper root cause analysis is important and there are not many issues that could be directly, accurately, quickly blamed on extending oil changes. Especially within warranty periods.

 

[Gene K]

As someone who works in IT, this is absolutely true. I can't help but notice that the former Honda tech has not answered my question about what specific issues he saw that he says are caused by extended oil change intervals. Proper root cause analysis is important and there are not many issues that could be directly, accurately, quickly blamed on extending oil changes. Especially within warranty periods.

The only one I can think of is sludging he saw when removing oil pan or cam covers. Even then you would have to eliminate other possibilities like PCV issues, coolant ingress, lubricant quality and whether services paid for were actually performed.

A bad timing set could simply be a design issue or manufacturing deffect.

It makes as much sense for me to believe because one Honda ran 800,000+ mi on 15,000 mi oil changes that's all any car needs.

 

[madeej11]

He does 5,000-mile changes in his own car, a new Camry, based on his experiences.

Look Shel, Toyota engines in general are long lasting good running engines. If Toyota says 10k then why would you doubt them? They're not going to jeopardize what got them where they are if they weren't sure. Besides, we know that the OEM's are almost always going to recommend on the conservative side. So you can probably up that 10k figure to somewhere between 12-15k if one were of a mind to do so.

 

[HowAboutThis]

How do we know it has lots of life in it?

You don't, without a UOA or how it's driven and what weather it's driven in. Minnesota winters, short tripped? 5k isn't probably a bad idea. 70 mile, roundtrip, highway commute every day and long road trips here and there in 35-65 degree temps. Could probably go 10k+ if that's what the owner's manual says.

On that note, unless it's short tripped or extreme conditions, or towing, or something extreme like that, I'd probably go at least 7500, or nearer the normal condition recommendation in the owner's manual. But that's just my view. You have to sleep at night over this. Not me.

 

[Johnmpb]

I suspect they see issues on certain engines and never on others. There is enough info to avoid blanket statements that toyotas or other mfg benefit from (i.e. need) 5K intervals over the whole product line.

12-15k in my prius, 10K in my yaris, 12-15K on my friend's 2002 tundra (once 18K) and yearly intervals in my friend 2006 vibe. No issues.

Never seen anyone complaining about 10K being too long on a 2UZ or a 1NZ (owned two); perhaps certain engines are more fragile, i just don't happen on own any of them

If you do, carry on as you have indicated.

People like to find reasons/justification for their wasteful behavior

 

[UG_Passat]

He does 5,000-mile changes in his own car, a new Camry, based on his experiences.

But he also insists on using the TGMO oil and he’s using 0w16 which will scare a lot of people per Toyota requirements

 

[Shel_B]

But he also insists on using the TGMO oil and he’s using 0w16 which will scare a lot of people per Toyota requirements

Of course he uses TGMO ... it's a good oil and it's right there at the dealership. However, in other videos, he tells folks to use any good brand that they can get a deal on. He mentions Mobil1 by name, and perhaps some others as well.

Why would the factory-recommended oil "scare a lot of people"?

 

[dlundblad]

The manual should say something about going up in viscosity if it’s used for towing. That’s a good reason to run 5w30.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

... If you choose to run a lower-tier oil out to 10,000 miles on a new $45,000 vehicle, it's your choice, your money, and your roll of the dice.

Shel - I would advance that the purchase price price of the vehicle doesn't dictate oil life.
The vehicle state of tune, environment and use will, though.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

I think you are on target.

That reads like a Spring > Fall 2X seasonal oil change regimen in my book, esp if he is going to run 0W20

 

[DGXR]

OP, use anything that meets the required spec and keep up with your good maintenance practices. All modern name-brand oils are excellent. The OEM Toyota filter is a solid choice and sure to keep the warranty intact. Enjoy the new ride, looks very nice.

 

[K.Aoi]

Of course he uses TGMO ... it's a good oil and it's right there at the dealership. However, in other videos, he tells folks to use any good brand that they can get a deal on. He mentions Mobil1 by name, and perhaps some others as well.

Why would the factory-recommended oil "scare a lot of people"?

Why would the factory recommended OCI scare a lot of people? Why do people think they need to run 5W-40 HDEO in everything? All good questions.

 

[UG_Passat]

Why would the factory recommended OCI scare a lot of people? Why do people think they need to run 5W-40 HDEO in everything? All good questions.

Because people use the Car Care Nut's video out of context.

An important detail that people miss is the car in question has 200,000 miles of 10,000+ miles OCI's, when he gets the car to diagnose for his video.

 

[Hermann]

But he also insists on using the TGMO oil and he’s using 0w16 which will scare a lot of people per Toyota requirements

Attn: Some Folks
Keep dissing 0w-16 and I'll keep buying the carnage when stores lower the price to clear up an overstock.

 

[madeej11]

Attn: Some Folks
Keep dissing 0w-16 and I'll keep buying the carnage when stores lower the price to clear up an overstock.

You'll have to scoop up boatloads of it at a great discount to help pay for that prematurely worn engine.

 

[Hermann]

You'll have to scoop up boatloads of it at a great discount to help pay for that prematurely worn engine.

I seriously doubt that. Describe premature.
When I changed out the FF, It had sat about 10 mins after a 20 mile drive. The oil that got on my fingertips was barely warm. I don't think the engine is highly stressed.

you need to use some up there in Canada. It flows nicely. made me do it

 

[madeej11]

I seriously doubt that. Describe premature.
When I changed out the FF, It had sat about 10 mins after a 20 mile drive. The oil that got on my fingertips was barely warm. I don't think the engine is highly stressed.

you need to use some up there in Canada. It flows nicely. made me do it

I use 5w30 Amsoil SS, flows just fine. It's more about pumping and cranking not flow. -50 not good enough for you?