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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
https://www.lincoln.com/luxury-cars/continental/
Agreed!
My local Lincoln dealers disappeared....
I just hope they de-forded the seats. That was my only gripe.
They treated me right too and the price is very reasonable.
They get great reviews.
https://www.lincoln.com/luxury-cars/continental/
Agreed!
My local Lincoln dealers disappeared....
I just hope they de-forded the seats. That was my only gripe.
They treated me right too and the price is very reasonable.
They get great reviews.
Originally Posted By: Zee09
I think the LS460 is overrated.
The interior of my last Lincoln was better and even my Challenger RT
had phenomenal leather. Also I prefer to buy new. The CPO examples were lacking.
My Volvo dealer is about 30 miles away. I did give them a call. May try a T6?
If I bought new, I'd probably do European delivery. You get 7% off MSRP with Mercedes and they don't charge the delivery fee. Some dealers will discount up to another 2-4% depending on the model and you get to custom order your car. They throw in 15 days of insurance so you can do a nice trip in Germany with a new car. I think Volvo also does a decent European delivery program.
The 2015 models were typically selling in 2014, so more like just 2 years to 2020 or 2021 depending on the in service date. A rare Mercedes to find would be the 2014 E550. Last year they made it and it had the updated face lift with a bunch of new tech. E550's were usually somewhat loaded, dynamic LEDs, heated/cooled seats, air suspension was an option though. Oh yeah, dynamic seats were also an option. I have that in an older W212, the side bolsters inflate on corners which doesn't do anything for me, but the massage function is nice on long trips.
I think the LS460 is overrated.
The interior of my last Lincoln was better and even my Challenger RT
had phenomenal leather. Also I prefer to buy new. The CPO examples were lacking.
My Volvo dealer is about 30 miles away. I did give them a call. May try a T6?
If I bought new, I'd probably do European delivery. You get 7% off MSRP with Mercedes and they don't charge the delivery fee. Some dealers will discount up to another 2-4% depending on the model and you get to custom order your car. They throw in 15 days of insurance so you can do a nice trip in Germany with a new car. I think Volvo also does a decent European delivery program.
The 2015 models were typically selling in 2014, so more like just 2 years to 2020 or 2021 depending on the in service date. A rare Mercedes to find would be the 2014 E550. Last year they made it and it had the updated face lift with a bunch of new tech. E550's were usually somewhat loaded, dynamic LEDs, heated/cooled seats, air suspension was an option though. Oh yeah, dynamic seats were also an option. I have that in an older W212, the side bolsters inflate on corners which doesn't do anything for me, but the massage function is nice on long trips.
Originally Posted By: Zee09
I think the LS460 is overrated.
The interior of my last Lincoln was better and even my Challenger RT
had phenomenal leather. Also I prefer to buy new. The CPO examples were lacking.
My Volvo dealer is about 30 miles away. I did give them a call. May try a T6?
Originally Posted By: Zee09
I was looking at a 2015 & 2016
That takes me out to 2021-2022
When you started this thread you stated... "in the market for a new car or SUV".
A CPO is NOT new. Lexus doesn't make the LS460 anymore and a new LS500 is out of your "stated" price range.
My advice was based on NEW vehicles. If you add used vehicles to the mix for consideration, it changes things a LOT.
So, what are you looking for, a new or a used vehicle?
BTW, I wouldn't want to own a Volvo (or Mercedes) and be 30 miles away from my dealer. Just sayin.
I think the LS460 is overrated.
The interior of my last Lincoln was better and even my Challenger RT
had phenomenal leather. Also I prefer to buy new. The CPO examples were lacking.
My Volvo dealer is about 30 miles away. I did give them a call. May try a T6?
Originally Posted By: Zee09
I was looking at a 2015 & 2016
That takes me out to 2021-2022
When you started this thread you stated... "in the market for a new car or SUV".
A CPO is NOT new. Lexus doesn't make the LS460 anymore and a new LS500 is out of your "stated" price range.
My advice was based on NEW vehicles. If you add used vehicles to the mix for consideration, it changes things a LOT.
So, what are you looking for, a new or a used vehicle?
BTW, I wouldn't want to own a Volvo (or Mercedes) and be 30 miles away from my dealer. Just sayin.
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Originally Posted By: Zee09
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
https://www.lincoln.com/luxury-cars/continental/
Agreed!
My local Lincoln dealers disappeared....
I just hope they de-forded the seats. That was my only gripe.
They treated me right too and the price is very reasonable.
They get great reviews.
Lincoln is doomed. The Lincoln dealers can't make any money without having Mercurys or trucks to sell. Ford will kill-off the brand within the next 5 years. Mark my words. I wouldn't pay $50k for a car from a company that is facing this kind of fate.
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
https://www.lincoln.com/luxury-cars/continental/
Agreed!
My local Lincoln dealers disappeared....
I just hope they de-forded the seats. That was my only gripe.
They treated me right too and the price is very reasonable.
They get great reviews.
Lincoln is doomed. The Lincoln dealers can't make any money without having Mercurys or trucks to sell. Ford will kill-off the brand within the next 5 years. Mark my words. I wouldn't pay $50k for a car from a company that is facing this kind of fate.
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Originally Posted By: wag123
Originally Posted By: Zee09
I think the LS460 is overrated.
The interior of my last Lincoln was better and even my Challenger RT
had phenomenal leather. Also I prefer to buy new. The CPO examples were lacking.
My Volvo dealer is about 30 miles away. I did give them a call. May try a T6?
Originally Posted By: Zee09
I was looking at a 2015 & 2016
That takes me out to 2021-2022
When you started this thread you stated... "in the market for a new car or SUV".
A CPO is NOT new. Lexus doesn't make the LS460 anymore and a new LS500 is out of your "stated" price range.
My advice was based on NEW vehicles. If you add used vehicles to the mix for consideration, it changes things a LOT.
So, what are you looking for, a new or a used vehicle?
BTW, I wouldn't want to own a Volvo (or Mercedes) and be 30 miles away from my dealer. Just sayin.
New
Originally Posted By: Zee09
I think the LS460 is overrated.
The interior of my last Lincoln was better and even my Challenger RT
had phenomenal leather. Also I prefer to buy new. The CPO examples were lacking.
My Volvo dealer is about 30 miles away. I did give them a call. May try a T6?
Originally Posted By: Zee09
I was looking at a 2015 & 2016
That takes me out to 2021-2022
When you started this thread you stated... "in the market for a new car or SUV".
A CPO is NOT new. Lexus doesn't make the LS460 anymore and a new LS500 is out of your "stated" price range.
My advice was based on NEW vehicles. If you add used vehicles to the mix for consideration, it changes things a LOT.
So, what are you looking for, a new or a used vehicle?
BTW, I wouldn't want to own a Volvo (or Mercedes) and be 30 miles away from my dealer. Just sayin.
New
Originally Posted By: wag123
BTW, I wouldn't want to own a Volvo (or Mercedes) and be 30 miles away from my dealer. Just sayin.
And why is that? I never take my cars to the dealer - I schedule an appointment and a loaner replaces my car in the driveway. Seamless. There's $70k '18 Q7 in my driveway now because I needed the rear roof sunshade repaired on my '15.
If my car were to fail, roadside assistance would handle the tow and a replacement vehicle wether it be a dealership loaner or rental.
BTW, I wouldn't want to own a Volvo (or Mercedes) and be 30 miles away from my dealer. Just sayin.
And why is that? I never take my cars to the dealer - I schedule an appointment and a loaner replaces my car in the driveway. Seamless. There's $70k '18 Q7 in my driveway now because I needed the rear roof sunshade repaired on my '15.
If my car were to fail, roadside assistance would handle the tow and a replacement vehicle wether it be a dealership loaner or rental.
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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: wag123
BTW, I wouldn't want to own a Volvo (or Mercedes) and be 30 miles away from my dealer. Just sayin.
And why is that? I never take my cars to the dealer - I schedule an appointment and a loaner replaces my car in the driveway. Seamless. There's $70k '18 Q7 in my driveway now because I needed the rear roof sunshade repaired on my '15.
If my car were to fail, roadside assistance would handle the tow and a replacement vehicle wether it be a dealership loaner or rental.
The only problem with this argument- (OP) I'm 30 miles from everything anyway- food-stores-whatever...………. lol (true)
My new F350 had a dead cell ( diesel) They sent out a flatbed and took it away. no big deal
Originally Posted By: wag123
BTW, I wouldn't want to own a Volvo (or Mercedes) and be 30 miles away from my dealer. Just sayin.
And why is that? I never take my cars to the dealer - I schedule an appointment and a loaner replaces my car in the driveway. Seamless. There's $70k '18 Q7 in my driveway now because I needed the rear roof sunshade repaired on my '15.
If my car were to fail, roadside assistance would handle the tow and a replacement vehicle wether it be a dealership loaner or rental.
The only problem with this argument- (OP) I'm 30 miles from everything anyway- food-stores-whatever...………. lol (true)
My new F350 had a dead cell ( diesel) They sent out a flatbed and took it away. no big deal
Originally Posted By: Zee09
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: wag123
BTW, I wouldn't want to own a Volvo (or Mercedes) and be 30 miles away from my dealer. Just sayin.
And why is that? I never take my cars to the dealer - I schedule an appointment and a loaner replaces my car in the driveway. Seamless. There's $70k '18 Q7 in my driveway now because I needed the rear roof sunshade repaired on my '15.
If my car were to fail, roadside assistance would handle the tow and a replacement vehicle wether it be a dealership loaner or rental.
The only problem with this argument- (OP) I'm 30 miles from everything anyway- food-stores-whatever...………. lol (true)
All the more reason why, if I were you, I would want as reliable and low maintenance a vehicle as I could possibly purchase. I don't know about you, but I have a LOT of better things to do than drive 60 miles round trip (120 miles if I have to leave it) to get repairs/maintenance done on a vehicle, loaner or not. I'm not saying that all Toyota products are absolutely flawless and 100% trouble-free, no auto manufacturer can claim this, but when it comes to the possibility of purchasing a vehicle that needs little or no attention over a long period of time and many miles, nothing beats a Toyota product. Since I do all of my own maintenance, the last four Toyota products that I owned NEVER went back to the dealer for ANYTHING other than a couple of recalls, that amounts to almost a million miles between the four of them! Toyota builds vehicles that are not fussy, ALL of the European brands are fussy (not to mention very expensive to keep on the road when they get a lot of miles on them).
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: wag123
BTW, I wouldn't want to own a Volvo (or Mercedes) and be 30 miles away from my dealer. Just sayin.
And why is that? I never take my cars to the dealer - I schedule an appointment and a loaner replaces my car in the driveway. Seamless. There's $70k '18 Q7 in my driveway now because I needed the rear roof sunshade repaired on my '15.
If my car were to fail, roadside assistance would handle the tow and a replacement vehicle wether it be a dealership loaner or rental.
The only problem with this argument- (OP) I'm 30 miles from everything anyway- food-stores-whatever...………. lol (true)
All the more reason why, if I were you, I would want as reliable and low maintenance a vehicle as I could possibly purchase. I don't know about you, but I have a LOT of better things to do than drive 60 miles round trip (120 miles if I have to leave it) to get repairs/maintenance done on a vehicle, loaner or not. I'm not saying that all Toyota products are absolutely flawless and 100% trouble-free, no auto manufacturer can claim this, but when it comes to the possibility of purchasing a vehicle that needs little or no attention over a long period of time and many miles, nothing beats a Toyota product. Since I do all of my own maintenance, the last four Toyota products that I owned NEVER went back to the dealer for ANYTHING other than a couple of recalls, that amounts to almost a million miles between the four of them! Toyota builds vehicles that are not fussy, ALL of the European brands are fussy (not to mention very expensive to keep on the road when they get a lot of miles on them).
Originally Posted By: Zee09
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: wag123
BTW, I wouldn't want to own a Volvo (or Mercedes) and be 30 miles away from my dealer. Just sayin.
And why is that? I never take my cars to the dealer - I schedule an appointment and a loaner replaces my car in the driveway. Seamless. There's $70k '18 Q7 in my driveway now because I needed the rear roof sunshade repaired on my '15.
If my car were to fail, roadside assistance would handle the tow and a replacement vehicle wether it be a dealership loaner or rental.
The only problem with this argument- (OP) I'm 30 miles from everything anyway- food-stores-whatever...………. lol (true)
My new F350 had a dead cell ( diesel) They sent out a flatbed and took it away. no big deal
Ditto. Well, we have a grocery that is 10 miles away, and a few hardware stores around.
I just realized that there is a Dodge dealer that is only 18 miles away. What's a better bet, Dodge at 18 miles or Toyota at 30? The Toyota dealer is about a 200 yard detour on my way to work no less. [Technically at work I do have several dealers with easy access, but that's 50 miles each way.]
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: wag123
BTW, I wouldn't want to own a Volvo (or Mercedes) and be 30 miles away from my dealer. Just sayin.
And why is that? I never take my cars to the dealer - I schedule an appointment and a loaner replaces my car in the driveway. Seamless. There's $70k '18 Q7 in my driveway now because I needed the rear roof sunshade repaired on my '15.
If my car were to fail, roadside assistance would handle the tow and a replacement vehicle wether it be a dealership loaner or rental.
The only problem with this argument- (OP) I'm 30 miles from everything anyway- food-stores-whatever...………. lol (true)
My new F350 had a dead cell ( diesel) They sent out a flatbed and took it away. no big deal
Ditto. Well, we have a grocery that is 10 miles away, and a few hardware stores around.
I just realized that there is a Dodge dealer that is only 18 miles away. What's a better bet, Dodge at 18 miles or Toyota at 30? The Toyota dealer is about a 200 yard detour on my way to work no less. [Technically at work I do have several dealers with easy access, but that's 50 miles each way.]
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: Zee09
The only problem with this argument- (OP) I'm 30 miles from everything anyway- food-stores-whatever...………. lol (true)
Ditto. Well, we have a grocery that is 10 miles away, and a few hardware stores around.
I just realized that there is a Dodge dealer that is only 18 miles away. What's a better bet, Dodge at 18 miles or Toyota at 30? The Toyota dealer is about a 200 yard detour on my way to work no less. [Technically at work I do have several dealers with easy access, but that's 50 miles each way.]
To reword a previous statement that I made...
The best dealer service department is one that you don't have to use. Buy a Toyota.
I reiterate, when it comes to the possibility of purchasing a vehicle that needs little or no attention over a long period of time and many miles, nothing beats a Toyota product.
Just like I mentioned about Lincoln, I have serious doubts about the long term survival of FCA's car/SUV production and dealer network. Jeep will survive, and RAM trucks might survive. Fiat sales have tanked and their dealers aren't making any money, they will likely be gone from North America soon.
Originally Posted By: Zee09
The only problem with this argument- (OP) I'm 30 miles from everything anyway- food-stores-whatever...………. lol (true)
Ditto. Well, we have a grocery that is 10 miles away, and a few hardware stores around.
I just realized that there is a Dodge dealer that is only 18 miles away. What's a better bet, Dodge at 18 miles or Toyota at 30? The Toyota dealer is about a 200 yard detour on my way to work no less. [Technically at work I do have several dealers with easy access, but that's 50 miles each way.]
To reword a previous statement that I made...
The best dealer service department is one that you don't have to use. Buy a Toyota.
I reiterate, when it comes to the possibility of purchasing a vehicle that needs little or no attention over a long period of time and many miles, nothing beats a Toyota product.
Just like I mentioned about Lincoln, I have serious doubts about the long term survival of FCA's car/SUV production and dealer network. Jeep will survive, and RAM trucks might survive. Fiat sales have tanked and their dealers aren't making any money, they will likely be gone from North America soon.
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I did buy an Olds in 2003
But I do get it.
In my experience a car with an average or slightly below reliability rating isn't going to be a guaranteed lemon.
They may have a few little issues over the norm.
That said I don't like going to the dealer to even buy- but it is a must.
My nearest VW dealer is 45 miles away- most dealers here are 30 away except Ford- No Lincolns there though.
I did rule out a Passat today. Ruled out an Accord- did right away- have vast Honda experience.
Cadillac is out- way too far away.
Audi and Porsche are a state over...……………..
But I do get it.
In my experience a car with an average or slightly below reliability rating isn't going to be a guaranteed lemon.
They may have a few little issues over the norm.
That said I don't like going to the dealer to even buy- but it is a must.
My nearest VW dealer is 45 miles away- most dealers here are 30 away except Ford- No Lincolns there though.
I did rule out a Passat today. Ruled out an Accord- did right away- have vast Honda experience.
Cadillac is out- way too far away.
Audi and Porsche are a state over...……………..
VW dealer was same distance from me as the Toyota dealer. When we bought our Toyota we noticed that they no longer sold VW. "Too hard to get info from the manufacturer". Yikes.
In the end, I knew I couldn't trust the VW dealer anyhow, not with a TDi. So I would drive 2 hours for service--granted, it was only every couple of years for something. I thought it was great when a trusted TDi mechanic set up shop only 45 minutes away. But once he closed shop, I thought about it, added up the age of the car and called it quits. Too busy with career and kids to be running all around over a car.
In the end, I knew I couldn't trust the VW dealer anyhow, not with a TDi. So I would drive 2 hours for service--granted, it was only every couple of years for something. I thought it was great when a trusted TDi mechanic set up shop only 45 minutes away. But once he closed shop, I thought about it, added up the age of the car and called it quits. Too busy with career and kids to be running all around over a car.
Another vote for the Impala. They're the most comfortable cars I have ever ridden in. Also reasonably priced and the current model has been out for several years so it will be reliable.
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Originally Posted By: supton
VW dealer was same distance from me as the Toyota dealer. When we bought our Toyota we noticed that they no longer sold VW. "Too hard to get info from the manufacturer". Yikes.
In the end, I knew I couldn't trust the VW dealer anyhow, not with a TDi. So I would drive 2 hours for service--granted, it was only every couple of years for something. I thought it was great when a trusted TDi mechanic set up shop only 45 minutes away. But once he closed shop, I thought about it, added up the age of the car and called it quits. Too busy with career and kids to be running all around over a car.
Funny, the two VW dealers here have always had shady reputations...…..
I think VW itself created that.
You know- I want my car, I want my car...…
While VW won't get the service dept the parts. Pure anxiety for all involved.
VW dealer was same distance from me as the Toyota dealer. When we bought our Toyota we noticed that they no longer sold VW. "Too hard to get info from the manufacturer". Yikes.
In the end, I knew I couldn't trust the VW dealer anyhow, not with a TDi. So I would drive 2 hours for service--granted, it was only every couple of years for something. I thought it was great when a trusted TDi mechanic set up shop only 45 minutes away. But once he closed shop, I thought about it, added up the age of the car and called it quits. Too busy with career and kids to be running all around over a car.
Funny, the two VW dealers here have always had shady reputations...…..
I think VW itself created that.
You know- I want my car, I want my car...…
While VW won't get the service dept the parts. Pure anxiety for all involved.
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Originally Posted By: Silverado12
Another vote for the Impala. They're the most comfortable cars I have ever ridden in. Also reasonably priced and the current model has been out for several years so it will be reliable.
That is why I put in the sleeper price ( For the Impala)
I did study up on them a bit and I know most here like the V6
But in the early years the 4 cylinder had a worse reliability rating .
I have not heard about that since 2016
Is it still true or has that been sorted out?
Another vote for the Impala. They're the most comfortable cars I have ever ridden in. Also reasonably priced and the current model has been out for several years so it will be reliable.
That is why I put in the sleeper price ( For the Impala)
I did study up on them a bit and I know most here like the V6
But in the early years the 4 cylinder had a worse reliability rating .
I have not heard about that since 2016
Is it still true or has that been sorted out?
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