*New Amsoil SSO 0w-30

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Originally Posted By: harry j
Plus, if you live near a distributor, you can get the SSO without shipping.

A bit off topic, but this depends entirely on your local distributor. I found one who lives less than three miles from my house, but when I emailed him he told me to purchase through the website. I'm pretty sure it's because I was inquiring about the price on a few quarts of MTF and he didn't think it was worth the hassle to help me out.

Unbeknownst to him, I also purchased several bottles of PI and a few cases of ASL. Several of my friends and I have also split cases of SSO for a trial run, to be substantiated with UOAs, and we will continue buying cases once we can verify Amsoil's advertised claims.

His loss.
 
Originally Posted By: buster
harry, that could very well be. Good thought. The oil maybe forming a better piston/ring seal due to the wider clearances from having so many miles on the engine.


Yes exactly my conclusion buster. The engine burned Castrol GTX 5W-30 regularly. I had an unsightly dark patch on my rear bumper as a result.
After using the TSO, oil burn stopped entirely. It either freed up the rings, sealed them better or both.
 
Originally Posted By: televascular
Originally Posted By: harry j
Plus, if you live near a distributor, you can get the SSO without shipping.

A bit off topic, but this depends entirely on your local distributor. I found one who lives less than three miles from my house, but when I emailed him he told me to purchase through the website. I'm pretty sure it's because I was inquiring about the price on a few quarts of MTF and he didn't think it was worth the hassle to help me out.

Unbeknownst to him, I also purchased several bottles of PI and a few cases of ASL. Several of my friends and I have also split cases of SSO for a trial run, to be substantiated with UOAs, and we will continue buying cases once we can verify Amsoil's advertised claims.

His loss.


I ran into the same thing at the Distributor in Orlando. Just specify that you are going to pick up the oil and filters at the distributor when you are ordering and there shouldn't be a problem......or shipping :)
 
Originally Posted By: buster
harry, that could very well be. Good thought. The oil maybe forming a better piston/ring seal due to the wider clearances from having so many miles on the engine.


The mechanic that works on my car at the Honda dealer has Amsoil High Performance 10W-40 in his 92 Accord. He feels that the oil has had positive effects on his piston seals. There is now no evidence of oil burn off in his engine. He used to use a 20W-50 oil that I thought was too viscous for his motor.
 
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I have read several negative posts on BITOG about TSO, even from Amsoil sellers. What changes were made from TSO to SSO? The claims made for TSO are very similar to what is now being claimed for SSO.

Based on the few UOAs, the primary difference appears to be the calcium level. What other additive changes were made, and was the base stock changed?
 
Yes different basestock mix and new ashless additives. SSO is basically a redesigned/new oil, that's why Amsoil gave it a new name. TSO was not a bad oil, it's just that is SSO better and the main things in common are the API viscosity classification and the heritage of knowledge from TSO.
 
>>>Plus, if you live near a distributor, you can get the SSO without shipping.


Gee, it costs me money to use my money for stock, to pay for the van, to pay insurance on the van, to pay maintenance and repairs on the van, and takes something like 6-7 hours of my time when I go to the product center. Then, if dealers come by and take all of a certain product, I have to replace it. UPS doesn't work free, in case you haven't noticed--but they can bring me a couple of cases for less than it would cost me to go back to the Product Center. That's why I offer my dealers/PCs the opportunity to let me know in advance what they need, and I add it to my order. Then there is no shipping for them.

Haven't put the SSO in anything yet. Hasn't been a year since I changed oil.
 
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Haven't put the SSO in anything yet. Hasn't been a year since I changed oil.




I look forward to the UOA if and when you try the SSO. Would you consider a EAO filter along with the SSO?
 
TSO specs had a lower four ball wear test result (0.373 for TSO and 0.406 for SSO)than SSO, and TSO had a higher HTHS viscosity (3.5 for TSO and 3.2 for SSO). I thought these two properties gave some indication of the anti-wear properties.
 
Originally Posted By: ant
TSO specs had a lower four ball wear test result (0.373 for TSO and 0.406 for SSO)than SSO, and TSO had a higher HTHS viscosity (3.5 for TSO and 3.2 for SSO). I thought these two properties gave some indication of the anti-wear properties.



Actually both have little to do with anti-wear. The 4ball wear is meaningless.
 
Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: ant
TSO specs had a lower four ball wear test result (0.373 for TSO and 0.406 for SSO)than SSO, and TSO had a higher HTHS viscosity (3.5 for TSO and 3.2 for SSO). I thought these two properties gave some indication of the anti-wear properties.



Actually both have little to do with anti-wear. The 4ball wear is meaningless.



I agree, (unless of course you have a little metal ball you want to protect), I would trust a UOA to determine an oil's effectiveness, low wear metals = an oil with good anti-wear properties.
 
All I have to say about SSO is it's the bomb!! I can describe my experiences with it in my corvette with one word QUIET- I love it!! Throttle response is much more linear also and smooth right up to 5500 RPM. I was also surprised to see my oil pressure up about 10 lbs at idle over the 10W30 M1 fills I had used previously (I don't get it either just reporting the data from the oil pressure gage). I'm going to have to wait for 100 F + heat to show up to compare to my M1 baseline, but I'm betting that my oil temps are down too (Vette's have a nice digital temp gauge for oil and coolant).

All of my friends and neighbors who have put the SSO in their cars and trucks are all saying the same thing (quiet, smooth and it gets better as they continue to drive on it). A lady who put some in her PT cruiser (it was a [censored] neglected car that probably cried thanks to the gods the minute the SSO hit the cylinder head) down the road said it made her mileage 2.5 MPG's better on the average in mixed city/highway conditions. I drive my car's like I stole them and my jeep has 32" tires on it with a 410 gear so efficiency isn't going to be seen in fuel economy...the thing spends a third of it's miles on the trail! Jeeps are like pushing a brick through a wind tunnel on the highway
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. Yeah it's expensive, but so far I feel like I'm getting my value entitlement. We will see what the UOA's have to say after a year in the sump
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! FWIW I stocked up before the little "energy surcharge" deal went down and now have 12 gallons sitting in my stash amongst a few other items...if prices keep going up I might have to hire an armed guard soon!
 
Originally Posted By: harry j
Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: ant
TSO specs had a lower four ball wear test result (0.373 for TSO and 0.406 for SSO)than SSO, and TSO had a higher HTHS viscosity (3.5 for TSO and 3.2 for SSO). I thought these two properties gave some indication of the anti-wear properties.



Actually both have little to do with anti-wear. The 4ball wear is meaningless.



I agree, (unless of course you have a little metal ball you want to protect), I would trust a UOA to determine an oil's effectiveness, low wear metals = an oil with good anti-wear properties.


Shouldn't Amsoil know this too? Why do they continue to cite this test when comparing their engine oil to other manufacturers if the test is of no value for engine oil?
 
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formulating their oils down to a price,
we have been formulating ours up to
the highest performance standards.”
- Al Amatuzio
 
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Amsoils seems to get the best of the people who don't know alot about oil.


Gee thanks Steve S

Think about what you wrote and, well no offense, how stupid it is.

Castrol users have IQ's of 210 and have doctorates in organic chemistry .
M1 users are all math majors and were experts in tribology by age 9.
Pennzoil users are well versed in boundary lubrication and used the vows of mixed lubrication for their wedding vows.
And all those stupid schmucks who buy Amsoil don't know jackshit about oil

Come on dude. Think for yourself, don't let the hatred of Amsoil completely blind you.

AS with ALL oils and certain people there are zealots for that oil, and yes some of them say silly things. We see it here all the time. And how quickly it is checked and put down.

I think some adaptive molecules leaked out of your brain - try a bucket of sludge dumped from the sky!!
 
Pablo...

How could you forget about the metallurgical experts who use Brad Pen, or the standard cost accountants who quaff the highly revered Super Tech! You also forgot that the Castrol boys enjoy schnitzel...your slipping man. Seriously though let's all get back to talking about this oil. As long as it performs well I could care less about how it's marketed or advertised. Some folks get hung up on that kind of thing. Now it would be different if Amsoil was like gas saver magnets, or originated from a terrorist nation but that simply isn't the case. 1 year of sump time will tell me the whole story about SSO, but as of right now it had me at hello.
 
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