Need a replacement for German Castrol

[kapps]

I've been through this quandary over the past couple months as well. I had just switched from M1 5w-30 to GC in my MINI on the last oil change and didn't want to go back. My main concern in finding a replacement was the long OCI on the MINI. I wanted something that could go 8 or 10k miles and withstand the added temps of a supercharger running up to 15 lbs of boost. My search ended today with me ordering a case of Redline 5w-30 from JSC Speed (the cheapest I've found it). Amsoil series 2000 was also on my list but that was more than Redline.

I've seen some very good reports on BMW 5w-30. It's not your garden variety Syntec and is ACEA A3/B3. It's also decently priced as well, especially if you are doing 5k mile oil changes.

 

[wgtoys]

It does seem like bad form for administrators to take personal stabs at posters.

 

[GregH]

njcruiser,
You may post anytime you like certainly but your post did expose your ignorance. I don't use the oil but this oil has been tested to the nth. It has shown good UOA's in most everything, doesn't shear and is good for long oil change intervals. Noone said the best but it is excellent . And yes many of us are compulsive on the oil issue. ANd no it was not a stab at the poster. Pat's statement was a reply in the the same vein as nj's, straight and to the point. nj made a blanket statement s So did the admin , difference being the Pat can back up his view with volumes of evidence, nj can only state opinions not base on facts. What is the difference? Should be pretty clear.
Greg Harrison

 

[bluesubie]

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nothing if you ask me. people like it because it is green, or was green..............
not saying its not good, just not anything great

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Actually, the chemistry of the original GC (green formula) was cutting edge.

You really shouldn't post when you don't know what you're talking about.

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That is your opinion, not mine. I know what I am talking about ...

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It's not his opinion. You've got a lot of reading to do. But this thread is not about what you think about GC.

-Dennis

 

[Vivisector]

Considering all the data that has been collected about GC, what do you know that tons of data doesn't???

Or at least clue us in on what is better

 

[daman]

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I hate to recommend mobil products but how about Mobil 1 0W40?

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Why?

why do you hate to recommend it?? have you seen any engines
blow up from it??

 

[njcruiser]

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nothing if you ask me. people like it because it is green, or was green..............
not saying its not good, just not anything great

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Actually, the chemistry of the original GC (green formula) was cutting edge.

You really shouldn't post when you don't know what you're talking about.

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That is your opinion, not mine. I know what I am talking about ...

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It's not his opinion. You've got a lot of reading to do. But this thread is not about what you think about GC.

-Dennis

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I did the reading. I have been around a long time now. Just because I do not post often, does not mean I am not here reading.
I stand by my original statement, and it is my opinion. There is nothing great about this oil. I do not see it outperforming all other oils. It is a good oil, not great.

 

[ARB1977]

Ive got another year before im ready for change since wasting good money on Amsoil and im hoping that GC is still around when the time comes.

 

[bluesubie]

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I did the reading. I have been around a long time now. Just because I do not post often, does not mean I am not here reading.
I stand by my original statement, and it is my opinion. There is nothing great about this oil. I do not see it outperforming all other oils. It is a good oil, not great.

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Do you at least have a recommendation? There are not very many 30 weights for $4.50 - $6.00 that can even stay in grade for 6,000+ hard driven miles in a Subaru turbo.

-Dennis

 

[ChiTDI]

I'm in the same boat with a sludge builder Toyota and chose Schaeffer's. Hope it works as well as the departed GC.

 

[beanoil]

Lots of GC for sale in the "For Sale" section. GC is still in many AZ's, but it is becoming scarce. Smaller towns, and inner city locations are your best shot. Esso 0w30 in Canada looks to be a good option, and I have become a big fan of Schaeffer's lubricants as of late. I switched from GC to Schaeffer's this last change. The engine is just as smooth, and their claims for an increase in fuel economy are not just hype. I don't have long term numbers, but the last several tanks have shown an increase from 13 to 14.x MPG. Here is the specs for Schaeffer's 5-30. Schaeffer's 7000

 

[deven]

Curious, how much does a quart of Schaeffer's 7000 go for? I have never used their oil but am thinking of trying it!

 

[Volvohead]

Schaeffers 7000 is excellent oil and an amazing value at the price. AFAIK, the only oil that comes close for value is PP during BOGO promotions.

It shouldn't be much more now, but my last order was somewhere in the low $3/qt range. We use GC, RL, PP and a bunch of other oils around here too, but Schaeffers always seems to be the "little oil that could". Our high mileage 850 just loves the stuff.

I don't know if it has the stamina of GC in a particularly stressful engine environment, but I think in most apps you likely won't notice a meaningful performance difference between it and the uberoils.

And it has a cool blue-green tint for those suffering GC withdrawal.

 

[Merchgod]

Thanks for the suggestions. I'm also considering dropping the OCI from 5k miles to 3.75k miles which is the severe duty interval as determined by Subaru. My car is going to see primarily short trips in the future plus my car is modified (about 60 more whp than stock).

So, given the lower OCI, does this change anything? It seemed that with my consumption problem from the M1 products occured primarily past 3k miles.

 

[rubydist]

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Do you at least have a recommendation? There are not very many 30 weights for $4.50 - $6.00 that can even stay in grade for 6,000+ hard driven miles in a Subaru turbo.

-Dennis

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My most recent uoa shows regular old M1 5W30 staying in grade for 12k miles, despite all the bashing its taken recently... and its under $20 for 5 qts at Wally World now.

 

[Merchgod]

If I decide to stick with GC, where can you find it online?

 

[Volvohead]

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So, given the lower OCI, does this change anything? It seemed that with my consumption problem from the M1 products occured primarily past 3k miles.

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Yes it does. It means you can get by with a less robust oil, all else being equal. A major benefit of an oil like GC is its ability to hold up over longer intervals than lesser formulas can.

Let me guess: you were running M1 0w-40.

But I think on a short interval, and unless you are tracking or otherwise subjecting the engine to extreme loads, Schaeffers should hold up well. This oil has a deserved reputation for long endurance.

Otherwise, bite the bullet and go with Redline for your turbo. There's nothing better for a turbo AFAIK.

The only way to be sure that any oil is doing the job is with a UOA or two.

 

[bluesubie]

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Thanks for the suggestions. I'm also considering dropping the OCI from 5k miles to 3.75k miles which is the severe duty interval as determined by Subaru. My car is going to see primarily short trips in the future plus my car is modified (about 60 more whp than stock).

So, given the lower OCI, does this change anything? It seemed that with my consumption problem from the M1 products occured primarily past 3k miles.

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IMHO, given the posts on nasioc every other week (or several each week) about spun bearings on M1 5W30, a higher viscosity and/or a high HTHS should be considered over a typical energy conserving 30 weight.

Several of those that have spun rod bearings had it happen in less than 1,000 miles after an oil change, so a shorter OCI might not make a difference.

-Dennis

 

[JAC43]

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Schaeffers 7000 is excellent oil and an amazing value at the price. AFAIK, the only oil that comes close for value is PP during BOGO promotions.

It shouldn't be much more now, but my last order was somewhere in the low $3/qt range. We use GC, RL, PP and a bunch of other oils around here too, but Schaeffers always seems to be the "little oil that could". Our high mileage 850 just loves the stuff.

I don't know if it has the stamina of GC in a particularly stressful engine environment, but I think in most apps you likely won't notice a meaningful performance difference between it and the uberoils.

And it has a cool blue-green tint for those suffering GC withdrawal.

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FWIW I recently inquired about ordering a 12 qt case of the 7000. Came out to $6.41 per quart shipped. As fine an oil as it may be, I saw no point in trying it at that price when BMW 5W-30 is available for considerably less.

 

[askani79705]

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