Plus, this is no offense to you. But show me one piece of actual evidence of a purolator filter that did what a fram did or caused actual damage? You have cut open filters and what ifs. Not that I’m I purolator guy. But, if a purolator adbv was sucked into an engine, you’d never hear the end of it. Yet all things purolator are bad.
My Walmart has dropped the Endurance for a new 20k Purolator
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The efficiency of the Boss has been talked about for years, and the efficiency isn't great compared to other "high end" filters (spec sheet shows 99% >46u, and verified by M+H to be accurate data). If efficiency doesn't matter to the user, then go for it. The instance of the Ultra ADBV getting pushed into the engine was a very rare instance, and I'd bet the guts of that filter were loose before it was installed ... that's the only way it could have happened. Make it a practice to shake any filter with a leaf spring before installing it.
So no evidence of a purolator, or just about any filter ever doing what a fram ultra did? Because I know that just about every filter installed , on almost every car coming at you down the road was shook tested. Not trying to be passive aggressive without showing how this works. The justification of beating one brand to make another look better here is insane. A fram being sucked into the oil pump was a one off, but because someone took an angle grinder to a purolator and showed it tore, then it’s garbage? I’ll take the torn filter in my clean engine everytime. Plus when it comes to efficiency is really splitting hairs. 98% vs 95%
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Not everyone shakes their oil filter before installing it - do you? Like said, the only way that failure could happen is if the guts were pretty loose due to a damaged leaf spring which can happen if the filter is dropped hard. I don't think that filter was cut open, but if any oil filter made had a damaged leaf spring or during production it was missing the leaf spring, or it was installed backwards, the same thing could happen (lots of ways to get loss guts with a leaf spring). Just because a Purolator with a leaf spring cause failure hasn't been posted here doesn't mean it did or couldn't happen. All filers are subject to production errors or damage between the production line and your engine.
Aren't you bashing one instance of a Fram failure to make another brand look better? Anyone that latches on to one failure is essentially doing that. It sounds like you believe all the reported torn Purolators (and other M+H made filters) is all caused by cutting them open. You don't care if the media tears because you have a "clean engine"?
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We can argue till the cows come home. Point is, there’s nothing wrong with fram or purolator, no matter how many flashlights or angle grinders you take to them. And no one cares if my filter will suck up a bigger bugger than yours. That’s my whole point.
Every person can decide what's wrong with what they perceive. If some people don't care about efficiency, torn media, a ruffled leaking leaf spring, cut ADBVs, closed down louvers, leaking base seams, etc then good for them ... it's their vehicle. Better start inspecting and adding a shake test before installing ... anything can happen to any brand.
But you are.
There are a handful of people here that spend their own time and money to do C&P's to show actual performance of a filter - both new and used, so others can make up there own mind.
No one cares what filter you run.
Your bent out of shape because as a group we don't like purolator. As a group we are the same with the current Fram, and with many other brands. All based again on the efforts of posters here so people can judge for themselves.
There is a reason that most here have migrated to Premium Gard, because there are hundreds of C&P both new and used with excellent construction. People make there own decision. No one forced anyone.
It rubs me the wrong way that your putting down the efforts of those that post actual data that the rest of us greatly appreciate. A member here went immediately and bought one of these new filters and cut it open - so the rest of us could see. If you want to run one, none of us care.
Fact is M+H and First Brands are the worst QC offenders. Avoid them both imo. Next week it may be different…I call em like I see em.
Same basic reason a lot of Purolator fans jumped ship to the OG Ultra (including me) when the PureOne were tearing media all the time. I also jumped ship to the PGI made Carquest Premium or the MicroGard Select after getting more info on their efficiency which is pretty good too. Those were the same basic reasons I went with the OG Ultra when Purolators were tearing media. Don't have to worry about any leaf spring issues in the CQP or MGS since they use a coil spring. Oil filter Whack-A-Mole is always on the move.
I used Microgard Select on my Toyota and Chevy once, and the build quality was top notch, but I ran into a problem.Same basic reason a lot of Purolator fans jumped ship to the OG Ultra (including me) when the PureOne were tearing media all the time. I also jumped ship to the PGI made Carquest Premium or the MicroGard Select after getting more info on their efficiency which is pretty good too. Those were the same basic reasons I went with the OG Ultra when Purolators were tearing media. Don't have to worry about any leaf spring issues in the CQP or MGS since they use a coil spring. Oil filter Whack-A-Mole is always on the move.
The 4.3 Vortec has the bypass valve built in to the block, the MicroGard Select MSL51040 which is the correct filter for PF47E had a bypass valve built in the filter. That is the only reason I stopped running MicroGard Select.
Problem is now the PF47E has a different base plate and when looking at the filter more closely and this was the same for multiple boxes at Walmart you could clearly see the leaf spring was not centered probably not a big deal and I am still running it but it makes me now question if Champ made filters are going downhill now too.
I think next oil change I will swing by Napa and take a peek and see if their Napa Gold also has the bypass valve like the MicroGard Select, hell maybe they solved it but unfortunately even Premium Guard's website for the PG111ex that it has a bypass valve.
There is nothing wrong with them until something is wrong with them. If you never cut and inspect your filters, you may never know when a filter has failed in some regard of either torn filter media and/or compromised ADBV.
I do not rip open every filter I have removed, but I do have more than once instance of removing either original factory installed filters, OEM branded and aftermarket major label filters and have found both torn media and compromised ADBV. Common denominator, they were Purolator/M&H derived oil filters.
For something that should be at most a one in a few hundred thousand or even million occurrence, one has to ponder about all the ones that did not get cut open and were possibly compromised also?
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Since M+H also owns Wix and Purolator. Does it mean Wix is also a No-Go? I started getting into Wix 4 years ago and always thought of the non-XP as reliable filters. Have all the Wix filters gone to Purolator internals?
That’s fair. I have 2 boss and a pure one on my cars right now. Once again, I’m not a purolator loyalist as much as I am a bargain shopper. I’ve never been into cutting open filters due to not really feeling like it was needed. Unless it was a gohner filter, which repeatedly had an adbv issue that I wanted to prove to Nissan. Who ultimately didn’t care. I’ll cut these when the time comes. I just have a hard time believing that a company would mass produce a product destined to fail. Stranger things happen though.
I used nothing but the Wix black can for 15 years at least, but stopped probably 3 years ago due to unopened louvers. Not sure if they have other build quality issues, but the louvers you can view.
I bought a WIX air filter at about the same time. I had used those for 15 years. It arrived made in Spain, with no mesh backing - completely different than the last however many I had. I called and emailed wix customer support asking if it was maybe a fake, never received a reply. You would think they would care but they did not.
My personal opinion is Wix / M+H is not what it was. So I have moved on to other brands - there are plenty to choose from. I am sure they do not care.
I have opened a few Purolator Ones with torn media. Some with only 4-5K on them. Only other filter I have ever seen torn media on was a ST9688 when WIX made them for Walmart. In fairness, that filter had 13K on it. It was massively abused……(my old neighbors Nissan Frontier. He went 23K on original oil and filter from new before the 13K run.)
These new filters looks like they have thick media and will probably be fine. Only issue that I see is the price. Too much. When I can get a PG filter for half that, this is a no start for me.
YMMV.
These new filters looks like they have thick media and will probably be fine. Only issue that I see is the price. Too much. When I can get a PG filter for half that, this is a no start for me.
YMMV.
Yep. During the bitog tear spate period I quit the P1 PL141610 application. That, even though I 'never' had a tear in Honda (Nissan 2.5L) vehicle use over ~5k+ mile up to 1year oci/fci. As SOP, all c&p here. Switched to OG US made Napa Gold/(Wix) (5)/7356, bought during the now discontinued local Gold 40% off sale. That gone, 2019 with Amazon promos again tried a PL14610 (8600k mi oci) and 14612 with c&p, all good.
Since used many US made Bosch Premium (P1 virtual clone), L14610 and TL14610 all c&p here. No issues. So, I've decided I'll go by my personal results, and as long as I can obtain for a reasonable price w/Amazon coupon, I'll use them. 'If' any issues, I'll just quit em. And as noted before, no coo zealot but like they are still made in US. As for topic filter, seems a moot point for now as don't appear readily available. Though $8.50 for 7317, for what I see in pics, not bad imo.
And just to show not exclusive to Puro, I've used many OG Ultra, 3614 and 7317 with c&p. Still have a 7317, and currently running a CQ Premium.
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I admittedly was a Wix fanboy for over 20 years. It was a hard pill to swallow watching M+H drag them downhill…
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There is nothing at all wrong with what you say. Free speech and all that. You shouldn’t be made the topic in oil filters chat room.
Fram Ultra had a heavy element, and no adbv locking to the base plate, so it was prone to adbv issues when dropped imo. Or even on the assembly line.
Stop trolling the board here. It’s not a comparison. It’s about the Boss itself.
What is this irrational promotion of this brand about?
Was at my local Walmart. No sign of this Purolator filter there. Lots of Fram Endurance stock.
I did peak at one of the M1 filters, the 110 I think - and it was a PG build also.
I did peak at one of the M1 filters, the 110 I think - and it was a PG build also.
