My Dad: first foreign car in 44 years.

[LS2JSTS]

I guess it all depends on your definition of "many".

Some may look at a small list of token operations and think, "wow, look how many"....others would think, "what a pittance".

I've seen the engineering studio here in Michigan.....Al Gore's new house is bigger....and probably employs more people...lol.

 

[mechanicx]

Originally Posted By: Popinski


By the way, you do know that Hyundai has many US manufacturing and engineering sites in the US, Right?


The way I look at it is the foreign implants do have some manufacturing and engineering in the US but it is still a net loss. They are closing more previously existing domestic sites than they are adding. I kind of miss Pontiac and Olds too a little bit. And I miss the days when GM, Ford and Chrysler were cranking out millions of models off of a platform under the various divisions. It made for lots of plentiful interchangable parts out there.

 

[grampi]

I couldn't care less who copies who. I base my automotive purchases on build quality and reliability. The Japanese have built their reputation of quality over literally deceades. If/when the Koreans are able to do the same, then and only then they'll get my respect.....

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: Popinski
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: Popinski
By the way, you do know that Hyundai has many US manufacturing and engineering sites in the US, Right?


Hyundai has 1 assembly plant in the US (2 if counting Kia), and does minimal engineering and R&D in the US.


Right now, you're acting like MechanicX with false facts.

-There's a parts plant right next to the Alabama plant,

-There's a design studio in California

-Engineering studio in Michigan.

-There's a Hyundai/Kia plant in Georgia

-Test track in Utah(?).

Do you want me to continue?

Edit: This is straight from their website:

Hyundai may be a Korean company, but over half the cars we sell in the U.S. are made in the U.S. We have a technologically sophisticated manufacturing facility in Montgomery, Alabama, engineering facilities in Michigan, plus design, research, and testing grounds in California. All of which provides around 5,000 jobs for American automotive workers.

Add to this more than 20,000 employees at Hyundai dealerships and 6,000 workers employed by our various vendors, and you’ve got quite the microeconomy.

You need to do some research..


Sounds like they have you gotten you hook, line and sinker. Hyundai's so called "many" manufacturing and engineering sites are bare minimalist compared to every other auto manufacturer with a major presence in the US.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
I guess it all depends on your definition of "many".

Some may look at a small list of token operations and think, "wow, look how many"....others would think, "what a pittance".

I've seen the engineering studio here in Michigan.....Al Gore's new house is bigger....and probably employs more people...lol.


You have to forgive Popinski, he's been reduced to quoting from Hyundai's marketing department to prove what a huge presence they have in the US.

 

[opus1]

Oy gevalt....

First off, let me say that 1) I am not Korean and 2) I would be defending Hyundai even if I didn't just go out and buy one last month.

I think that grampi probably said it best so I'll quote: "The Japanese have built their reputation of quality over literally deceades. [sic]"

When Honda started building in the US, did they have plants all over the place? When Toyota started building here, did they have plants all over the place? When Subaru started building here, did they have plants all over the place? Heck, they still have only one plant that I'm aware of and when they opened it they had to go joint-venture with Isuzu.

Hyundai/Kia is where the Japanese were 20-30 years ago. Should be interesting to see where they will be in the next 10-20 years. If Toyota is worried about them, they must be doing something right.

And I'll say it again, Karma can be a real [self-censored] sometimes, and I, for one am enjoying the Koreans pulling a Japan, as it were, on Japan. If it was OK when Japan was doing it to Detroit and the steel and other US industries, it's just as OK for Korea to be doing it to them now....and that's as far as I go lest another one of my posts be deemed "too political".

 

[rjundi]

Good for your dad, if he is happy that is all that counts.

A major benefit to a brand new Toyota is that you decide to dump the vehicle they have a very high resale. He could not have picked a better time in years to buy a new Toyota.

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: css9450
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I'd not be surprise if the order from the government is to "stop at nothing and drive the Japan out of businesses" even if it means losing money.


The technical term for that is "dumping".


It is only dumping if you sell at a loss, but if you over invest but never get the return of your investment, that's not dumping.

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: rjundi
Good for your dad, if he is happy that is all that counts.

A major benefit to a brand new Toyota is that you decide to dump the vehicle they have a very high resale. He could not have picked a better time in years to buy a new Toyota.



Past performance is not a guarantee of future return. Toyota's reputation in the next 10 years is not going to be as rosy as the last 10 years, and Hyundai for sure would have risen to the average Japanese level if not Toyota/Honda given their current improvement.

Beside, if you buy a car for 3k more, and plan to sell it 6 years later, you better be darn sure it can sell for 3k more if all else being equal.

 

[Trav]

Follow the money. Hyundai-MAN B&W 9L60MC ship diesels then the MAN Mercedes connection and Mercedes Hyundai connection with battery technology for new vehicles,Mitsubish Hyundai connection etc.

All these companies and others share,buy,use technology from each other.Its not to much of a stretch to figure that may also share some design work from another division in the deals.

Hyundai is woven tightly with German and Japanese manufactures with their ship diesel engines.JMO but i think if they can build a ship engine that rivals the big Germans then building a decent car is not out of their reach.

 

[L_Sludger]

Originally Posted By: Popinski
Today is a sad day in the family. My dad got sick of the problems with his 2008 Ford Exploder. He recently retired and wanted a car that he didn't have to worry about with repairs. His friends told him Toyota RAV4 and Hyundai Santa Fe.

Anyway.....I am having depression now......44 years of American cars and it ended today.......
You're depressed because your dad bought a Toyota? You probably have a very happy life if something as minute and inconsequential as this will make you sad.

 

[Nick R]

Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Originally Posted By: Popinski
Today is a sad day in the family. My dad got sick of the problems with his 2008 Ford Exploder. He recently retired and wanted a car that he didn't have to worry about with repairs. His friends told him Toyota RAV4 and Hyundai Santa Fe.

Anyway.....I am having depression now......44 years of American cars and it ended today.......
You're depressed because your dad bought a Toyota? You probably have a very happy life if something as minute and inconsequential as this will make you sad.



if my dad bought a toyota (would never happen) I'd be upset, but that's just me.

 

[L_Sludger]

I've threatened to disown any family member who buys a Hyundai. Happily, nobody's considered it.

 

[Pesca]

Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
I've threatened to disown any family member who buys a Hyundai. Happily, nobody's considered it.


I would do that, just for that reason alone, but that is just me.

 

[javacontour]

Funny, I find the relationship with my family more important than the car they choose to drive. They are people, cars are just things. I'd hate to be in a family where I was disowned because I bought the "wrong" car.

 

[Pesca]

Exactly.

 

[Popinski]

Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
I guess it all depends on your definition of "many".

Some may look at a small list of token operations and think, "wow, look how many"....others would think, "what a pittance".

I've seen the engineering studio here in Michigan.....Al Gore's new house is bigger....and probably employs more people...lol.


You have to forgive Popinski, he's been reduced to quoting from Hyundai's marketing department to prove what a huge presence they have in the US.


Who needs forgiving? : Me giving out the real facts, or you stating false facts and that Hyundai has one factory and does minimal R and D in America? You are based on lies and ignorance.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: Popinski
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
I guess it all depends on your definition of "many".

Some may look at a small list of token operations and think, "wow, look how many"....others would think, "what a pittance".

I've seen the engineering studio here in Michigan.....Al Gore's new house is bigger....and probably employs more people...lol.


You have to forgive Popinski, he's been reduced to quoting from Hyundai's marketing department to prove what a huge presence they have in the US.


Who needs forgiving? : Me giving out the real facts, or you stating false facts and that Hyundai has one factory and does minimal R and D in America? You are based on lies and ignorance.


You my friend, are the one spewing ignorance. Where is Hyundai's primary power-train center located? Where does the bulk of their R&D expenditures go? Not the U.S...

http://www.levelfieldinstitute.org/files/scorecards/Ford_v_Hyundai.pdf
http://www.levelfieldinstitute.org/files/scorecards/GM_v_Hyundai.pdf
http://www.levelfieldinstitute.org/files/scorecards/Chrysler_v_Hyundai.pdf

 

[opus1]

Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
I've threatened to disown any family member who buys a Hyundai.....
Funny thing, lots of USW members in northern Indiana were saying that back in the 70's and 80's regarding Japanese cars.

I'm just sayin'.....

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
10 years from now, GM and Dodge will not exist, only Ford.

Nothing replusive about Japan and Korea taking over the US market.



Well sure, why the **** not??
They already OWN our electronics, steel(?) markets, and they're working on our auto industry market.

**** why don't we just give them EVERYTHING ELSE as well (including the already halfway gone IT industry, ALL {even low paying/yeilding} service industries, and anything else that's left as well)?????

Some of you "open market, free trade, global economy" types (who also usually and conveniently happen to be the ones crying big government this, and socialism that, etc.) are DELUSIONAL.

IF you think we are in BIG trouble now, and are soooo worried about welfare state this and entitlements that, what do you think (in your WORST NIGHTMARE reckoning) is going to happen when there are ABSOLUTELY NO jobs left for ANY U.S. citizens because of your 'principles'?
(Save for a few of your beloved foreign manufacturers' transplants-whatever "scraps" they might throw our way.)

Is it REALLY worth those said 'principles'???
REALLY????!!!!!