mobil super 5000 vs pyb
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Originally Posted By: dslofti
Which oil is the better? Which oil has the best additives in it? Heard alot of good stories with pyb. Know a woman with 400k on her toyota camry runs great.
Originally Posted By: dslofti
Which oil is the better? Which oil has the best additives in it? Heard alot of good stories with pyb. Know a woman with 400k on her toyota camry runs great.
I think it's hard to beat the price at walmart on the Mobil Super, $12 for 5qt jug and by no means is it a bad oil. The PYB I prefer over the Mobil Super as it has better specs in my opinion and has been smoother and quieter in applications I have used it in, however, its somewhere around $15.50 for 5qt jug. If you think about it, going with the Mobil Super over the PYB give you room to buy the filter with it. If they were both the same price within 50 cents, I'd chose the PYB.
i agree with ChrisW. for the price, it's hard to beat Mobil Super. i do think PYB is a superior oil, but there's not enough difference to notice during a normal OCI.
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I don't think you can go wrong either way.
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Originally Posted By: ChrisW
I think it's hard to beat the price at walmart on the Mobil Super, $12 for 5qt jug and by no means is it a bad oil. The PYB I prefer over the Mobil Super as it has better specs in my opinion and has been smoother and quieter in applications I have used it in, however, its somewhere around $15.50 for 5qt jug. If you think about it, going with the Mobil Super over the PYB give you room to buy the filter with it. If they were both the same price within 50 cents, I'd chose the PYB.
ChrisW
Can you explain why you will not spend $3.50, small change, to put a better oil and filter in your car over a year. Do you consider this a good enough saving if the car does not run as well and as you advise the more expensive oil is a better spec.
Living in the UK we do not have PYB but I cannot see the logic in this tiny saving if the other oil is better for you engine.
eddie
I think it's hard to beat the price at walmart on the Mobil Super, $12 for 5qt jug and by no means is it a bad oil. The PYB I prefer over the Mobil Super as it has better specs in my opinion and has been smoother and quieter in applications I have used it in, however, its somewhere around $15.50 for 5qt jug. If you think about it, going with the Mobil Super over the PYB give you room to buy the filter with it. If they were both the same price within 50 cents, I'd chose the PYB.
ChrisW
Can you explain why you will not spend $3.50, small change, to put a better oil and filter in your car over a year. Do you consider this a good enough saving if the car does not run as well and as you advise the more expensive oil is a better spec.
Living in the UK we do not have PYB but I cannot see the logic in this tiny saving if the other oil is better for you engine.
eddie
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Mobil Super. Every car that I have run it in, runs whisper quiet and smooth. It has a newer style additive package that won't present on paper the way thatPennzoil does. It also has very minimal advertising, so that helps keep costs very low.
You cant go wrong with either oil but with a consistant higher level of iron in mobil UOA's Id spend more on the PYB.
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Originally Posted By: yaris0128
You cant go wrong with either oil but with a consistant higher level of iron in mobil UOA's Id spend more on the PYB.
I think the "higher levels of iron" reflects UOAs with M1 and not MS5K and even those are not consistent. OP save the $$ and go with the MS5K versus PYB, Here are 3 MS5K UOAs for 8285, 6480, and 5142 miles on my FX4 with MS5K versus the mighty Pennzoil Ultra:
MS5K versus PU UOAs (FX4)
You cant go wrong with either oil but with a consistant higher level of iron in mobil UOA's Id spend more on the PYB.
I think the "higher levels of iron" reflects UOAs with M1 and not MS5K and even those are not consistent. OP save the $$ and go with the MS5K versus PYB, Here are 3 MS5K UOAs for 8285, 6480, and 5142 miles on my FX4 with MS5K versus the mighty Pennzoil Ultra:
MS5K versus PU UOAs (FX4)
I am going to jump in on this MS5k bandwagon here as it appears to be a great oil for the money. All the major brands are good but why spend more for nothing over a 5-6k OCI??
Thank you for your wisdom, across the pond. Here in the US when you buy a used car you can get a item called Carfax something that gives a history of sort re. the car. though it will not give what oil was used it does give you some info. This type of $3 thinking is something that drives oil companies.That $3 for some is alot these economic days but for the life of me I have never never heard of anyone complaining of the cost of beer especially St Patricks day which is soon upon us!!
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Originally Posted By: ChrisW
I think it's hard to beat the price at walmart on the Mobil Super, $12 for 5qt jug and by no means is it a bad oil. The PYB I prefer over the Mobil Super as it has better specs in my opinion and has been smoother and quieter in applications I have used it in, however, its somewhere around $15.50 for 5qt jug. If you think about it, going with the Mobil Super over the PYB give you room to buy the filter with it. If they were both the same price within 50 cents, I'd chose the PYB.
ChrisW
Can you explain why you will not spend $3.50, small change, to put a better oil and filter in your car over a year. Do you consider this a good enough saving if the car does not run as well and as you advise the more expensive oil is a better spec.
Living in the UK we do not have PYB but I cannot see the logic in this tiny saving if the other oil is better for you engine.
eddie
Originally Posted By: EddieCairns
Originally Posted By: ChrisW
I think it's hard to beat the price at walmart on the Mobil Super, $12 for 5qt jug and by no means is it a bad oil. The PYB I prefer over the Mobil Super as it has better specs in my opinion and has been smoother and quieter in applications I have used it in, however, its somewhere around $15.50 for 5qt jug. If you think about it, going with the Mobil Super over the PYB give you room to buy the filter with it. If they were both the same price within 50 cents, I'd chose the PYB.
ChrisW
Can you explain why you will not spend $3.50, small change, to put a better oil and filter in your car over a year. Do you consider this a good enough saving if the car does not run as well and as you advise the more expensive oil is a better spec.
Living in the UK we do not have PYB but I cannot see the logic in this tiny saving if the other oil is better for you engine.
eddie
Another thing: See how many say this oil or that oil gets great uoa's. Unless it is a synthetic you cannot find these great uoa's. Try the new PYB SN find me 3 uoas, How about Mobil 5000 new version great uoas find me 4 . How about the mighty white bottle new version find me 3. I am not talking about stuff from 2003 I am talking in the last year. This oil gets great uoas where??/ Unless it is PP or Amsoil, Mobil etc you cannot ever find enough uoa's that would support "it gets good uoa's!!"Another example on how hard it is to get a conclusion from web sites on the internet.
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Originally Posted By: ottotheclown
Another thing: See how many say this oil or that oil gets great uoa's. Unless it is a synthetic you cannot find these great uoa's. Try the new PYB SN find me 3 uoas, How about Mobil 5000 new version great uoas find me 4 . How about the mighty white bottle new version find me 3. I am not talking about stuff from 2003 I am talking in the last year. This oil gets great uoas where??/ Unless it is PP or Amsoil, Mobil etc you cannot ever find enough uoa's that would support "it gets good uoa's!!"Another example on how hard it is to get a conclusion from web sites on the internet.
I can only speak for myself, but part of the problem is that **most** run synthetics and therefore it is difficult to find any number of conventional UOAs. I believe that MS5K held up just as well as Pennzoil Ultra in my FX4 for 2.5x LESS than the cost of Pennzoil Ultra. I am 60% on the way to a 10K run of MS5K in my FX4 and will post that UOA when I reach the mark.
Here are 3 UOAs of MS5K versus Pennzoil Ultra: ---> MS5K versus PU UOAs (FX4)
Another thing: See how many say this oil or that oil gets great uoa's. Unless it is a synthetic you cannot find these great uoa's. Try the new PYB SN find me 3 uoas, How about Mobil 5000 new version great uoas find me 4 . How about the mighty white bottle new version find me 3. I am not talking about stuff from 2003 I am talking in the last year. This oil gets great uoas where??/ Unless it is PP or Amsoil, Mobil etc you cannot ever find enough uoa's that would support "it gets good uoa's!!"Another example on how hard it is to get a conclusion from web sites on the internet.
I can only speak for myself, but part of the problem is that **most** run synthetics and therefore it is difficult to find any number of conventional UOAs. I believe that MS5K held up just as well as Pennzoil Ultra in my FX4 for 2.5x LESS than the cost of Pennzoil Ultra. I am 60% on the way to a 10K run of MS5K in my FX4 and will post that UOA when I reach the mark.
Here are 3 UOAs of MS5K versus Pennzoil Ultra: ---> MS5K versus PU UOAs (FX4)
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I should have stated that if a same OCI was used and UOA showed great numbers with either oil and same filter, most definitely I'd be running whatever saved me more money. I suppose my thinking is contingent on the oil analysis. However, while my thinking is that I feel that PYB is the better oil [spec wise], either would make your car run just fine [just because an oil has better specs doesn't mean it's necessarily going to be better for the engine, I hope this makes sense]. In general I always want the best but cannot always afford it, so then the things/thinking my mother taught me to save money wherever possible kick in
Originally Posted By: EddieCairns
Originally Posted By: ChrisW
I think it's hard to beat the price at walmart on the Mobil Super, $12 for 5qt jug and by no means is it a bad oil. The PYB I prefer over the Mobil Super as it has better specs in my opinion and has been smoother and quieter in applications I have used it in, however, its somewhere around $15.50 for 5qt jug. If you think about it, going with the Mobil Super over the PYB give you room to buy the filter with it. If they were both the same price within 50 cents, I'd chose the PYB.
ChrisW
Can you explain why you will not spend $3.50, small change, to put a better oil and filter in your car over a year. Do you consider this a good enough saving if the car does not run as well and as you advise the more expensive oil is a better spec.
Living in the UK we do not have PYB but I cannot see the logic in this tiny saving if the other oil is better for you engine.
eddie
Originally Posted By: EddieCairns
Originally Posted By: ChrisW
I think it's hard to beat the price at walmart on the Mobil Super, $12 for 5qt jug and by no means is it a bad oil. The PYB I prefer over the Mobil Super as it has better specs in my opinion and has been smoother and quieter in applications I have used it in, however, its somewhere around $15.50 for 5qt jug. If you think about it, going with the Mobil Super over the PYB give you room to buy the filter with it. If they were both the same price within 50 cents, I'd chose the PYB.
ChrisW
Can you explain why you will not spend $3.50, small change, to put a better oil and filter in your car over a year. Do you consider this a good enough saving if the car does not run as well and as you advise the more expensive oil is a better spec.
Living in the UK we do not have PYB but I cannot see the logic in this tiny saving if the other oil is better for you engine.
eddie
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Originally Posted By: dslofti
Which oil is the better? Which oil has the best additives in it? Heard alot of good stories with pyb. Know a woman with 400k on her toyota camry runs great.
Pardon my onset of forthcoming rudeness ...
Typical boundless question resulting in mindless answers from most.
"Better" and "best" as defined how? ROI? Wear rates? Vis retention? What?
The only way to know which would be "better" or "best" for one unique situation is to run a complete, detailed series of micro-analysis UOAs comparing/contrasting the two variable lubes, while holding everything else constant. Most folks here don't have the time/money/patience to find that answer.
I can tell you that macro analysis shows both fluids are very capable and perform with excellent results in most any proper application.
But many BITOGers seem to want the best, even though most cannot define what that really means, nor how to appropriately set criteria to judge it.
Please read this:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/used-oil-analysis-how-to-decide-what-is-normal/
Then please re-read it again, over and over, until it sinks in and one understands it. No one, not one single person, has the ability to say which is "better" or "best" because we have ZERO data to support any conclusion as such, relevant to the OPs specific quest.
At least 2010_FX4 (and a few scant others) has some data (not quite enough yet, but WELL MORE than most folks) to show ranges and trends. Although true statistical values would be weak, there is plenty of evidence to show his conclusions are based upon substance and not mythology. He is truly testing with micro analysis in mind. The rest of you that hop from brand/grade to brand/grade like a toad in a lilly pond have no reliable basis.
Rant overwith. My apologies.
You may flame me now that I have purged my inner demons.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled rhetoric.
Which oil is the better? Which oil has the best additives in it? Heard alot of good stories with pyb. Know a woman with 400k on her toyota camry runs great.
Pardon my onset of forthcoming rudeness ...
Typical boundless question resulting in mindless answers from most.
"Better" and "best" as defined how? ROI? Wear rates? Vis retention? What?
The only way to know which would be "better" or "best" for one unique situation is to run a complete, detailed series of micro-analysis UOAs comparing/contrasting the two variable lubes, while holding everything else constant. Most folks here don't have the time/money/patience to find that answer.
I can tell you that macro analysis shows both fluids are very capable and perform with excellent results in most any proper application.
But many BITOGers seem to want the best, even though most cannot define what that really means, nor how to appropriately set criteria to judge it.
Please read this:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/used-oil-analysis-how-to-decide-what-is-normal/
Then please re-read it again, over and over, until it sinks in and one understands it. No one, not one single person, has the ability to say which is "better" or "best" because we have ZERO data to support any conclusion as such, relevant to the OPs specific quest.
At least 2010_FX4 (and a few scant others) has some data (not quite enough yet, but WELL MORE than most folks) to show ranges and trends. Although true statistical values would be weak, there is plenty of evidence to show his conclusions are based upon substance and not mythology. He is truly testing with micro analysis in mind. The rest of you that hop from brand/grade to brand/grade like a toad in a lilly pond have no reliable basis.
Rant overwith. My apologies.
You may flame me now that I have purged my inner demons.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled rhetoric.
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