Mobil 1 EP vs Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20 NOACK
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Originally Posted by painfx
I've decided to stick with Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20 oil throughout the winter and summer. Thanks guys!
Nothing at all wrong with this.
I've done at least a couple of runs of PP in this grade in the Gen 8 Accord as well as a couple of shorties of 10K total in the 5W-20 grade.
I posted some really nice UOAs of PP from our old Gen 6 and Gen 5 Accords as well.
Nothing wrong with PP.
I've decided to stick with Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20 oil throughout the winter and summer. Thanks guys!
Nothing at all wrong with this.
I've done at least a couple of runs of PP in this grade in the Gen 8 Accord as well as a couple of shorties of 10K total in the 5W-20 grade.
I posted some really nice UOAs of PP from our old Gen 6 and Gen 5 Accords as well.
Nothing wrong with PP.
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Originally Posted by CT8
What is the big whoop about NOACK ?
You've been on BITOG for 4 years and have 12,000 plus posts and you honestly have to ask this question?
Yes because what is the big whoop. I remember when BITOG worshiped the words of the Dr Hass oil 101 series.
Originally Posted by CT8
What is the big whoop about NOACK ?
You've been on BITOG for 4 years and have 12,000 plus posts and you honestly have to ask this question?
Yes because what is the big whoop. I remember when BITOG worshiped the words of the Dr Hass oil 101 series.
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Why would a post get deleted that did not break any rules yet one of the favorites here still manages to send me a nasty PM about it ?
Is this a good old boy network? Like a moderator in waiting with privilege ?
Is this a good old boy network? Like a moderator in waiting with privilege ?
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Originally Posted by 4WD
Why would a post get deleted that did not break any rules yet one of the favorites here still manages to send me a nasty PM about it ?
Is this a good old boy network? Like a moderator in waiting with privilege ?
I have no idea what you're talking about
Why would a post get deleted that did not break any rules yet one of the favorites here still manages to send me a nasty PM about it ?
Is this a good old boy network? Like a moderator in waiting with privilege ?
I have no idea what you're talking about
I think they are both great oils. Run each for about the same distance with a UOA and see which one your car seems to like better. I tend to favor Mobil 1 EP or AP for the base oil PAO content, but I doubt my engines would last much longer with one over the other. I'm getting ready to go from Mobil 1 AP in my 2018 Jeep to Pennzoil Ultra. I'll have UOA's for both, and will ultimately compare them.
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Originally Posted by CT8
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Originally Posted by 4WD
Why would a post get deleted that did not break any rules yet one of the favorites here still manages to send me a nasty PM about it ?
Is this a good old boy network? Like a moderator in waiting with privilege ?
I don't know what you're referring to. But I can say that some members are allowed more latitude to post as they wish.
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Why would a post get deleted that did not break any rules yet one of the favorites here still manages to send me a nasty PM about it ?
Is this a good old boy network? Like a moderator in waiting with privilege ?
I don't know what you're referring to. But I can say that some members are allowed more latitude to post as they wish.
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Originally Posted by painfx
I've decided to stick with Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20 oil throughout the winter and summer. Thanks guys!
Fine but that doesn't change the fact that M1 EP 0W-20 (PAO-based) is far superior to PPPP 0W-20 (GTL-based) in terms of resistance to oxidation and oil life. You can go 20,000 miles or more on M1 EP 0W-20 but with PPPP 0W-20 don't even think about exceeding a 10,000-mile OCI. I have an internal document that shows that vanilla M1 lasts twice as long as PPPP and the old PP in the Sequence IIIE oxidation test. Interestingly, PPPP and PP lasted the same in the same test, meaning PurePlus GTL had no improvement over the old Group III formulation. And that's vanilla M1. M1 EP should last three times as long as PPPP.
You're comparing apples to oranges here. M1 EP 0W-20 is a PAO-based oil that's in the ranks of Amsoil Signature Series etc. There is really no comparison to PPPP's GTL base oil, which is a better Group III but still a Group III.
I can't post their internal document but here is a public research article by them on how PAO compares to Group III in Sequence IIIE and more:
![[Linked Image]](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Reg_Forbus/publication/226346009/figure/fig3/AS:302198476034050@1449061139117/Comparison-of-viscosity-increase-in-ASTM-Sequence-IIIE-engine-test-for-fully-formulated.png "[Linked Image]")
Synthetic Lubricant Base Stock Processes and Products (link)
by ExxonMobil and Vavoline/Ashland
I've decided to stick with Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20 oil throughout the winter and summer. Thanks guys!
Fine but that doesn't change the fact that M1 EP 0W-20 (PAO-based) is far superior to PPPP 0W-20 (GTL-based) in terms of resistance to oxidation and oil life. You can go 20,000 miles or more on M1 EP 0W-20 but with PPPP 0W-20 don't even think about exceeding a 10,000-mile OCI. I have an internal document that shows that vanilla M1 lasts twice as long as PPPP and the old PP in the Sequence IIIE oxidation test. Interestingly, PPPP and PP lasted the same in the same test, meaning PurePlus GTL had no improvement over the old Group III formulation. And that's vanilla M1. M1 EP should last three times as long as PPPP.
You're comparing apples to oranges here. M1 EP 0W-20 is a PAO-based oil that's in the ranks of Amsoil Signature Series etc. There is really no comparison to PPPP's GTL base oil, which is a better Group III but still a Group III.
I can't post their internal document but here is a public research article by them on how PAO compares to Group III in Sequence IIIE and more:
Synthetic Lubricant Base Stock Processes and Products (link)
by ExxonMobil and Vavoline/Ashland
Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by painfx
I've decided to stick with Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20 oil throughout the winter and summer. Thanks guys!
Fine but that doesn't change the fact that M1 EP 0W-20 (PAO-based) is far superior to PPPP 0W-20 (GTL-based) in terms of resistance to oxidation and oil life. You can go 20,000 miles or more on M1 EP 0W-20 but with PPPP 0W-20 don't even think about exceeding a 10,000-mile OCI. I have an internal document that shows that vanilla M1 lasts twice as long as PPPP and the old PP in the Sequence IIIE oxidation test. Interestingly, PPPP and PP lasted the same in the same test, meaning PurePlus GTL had no improvement over the old Group III formulation. And that's vanilla M1. M1 EP should last three times as long as PPPP.
You're comparing apples to oranges here. M1 EP 0W-20 is a PAO-based oil that's in the ranks of Amsoil Signature Series etc. There is really no comparison to PPPP's GTL base oil, which is a better Group III but still a Group III.
I can't post their internal document but here is a public research article by them on how PAO compares to Group III in Sequence IIIE and more:
Synthetic Lubricant Base Stock Processes and Products (link)
by ExxonMobil and Vavoline/Ashland
Let me guess. All your info is directly from Mobil, correct?
Originally Posted by painfx
I've decided to stick with Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20 oil throughout the winter and summer. Thanks guys!
Fine but that doesn't change the fact that M1 EP 0W-20 (PAO-based) is far superior to PPPP 0W-20 (GTL-based) in terms of resistance to oxidation and oil life. You can go 20,000 miles or more on M1 EP 0W-20 but with PPPP 0W-20 don't even think about exceeding a 10,000-mile OCI. I have an internal document that shows that vanilla M1 lasts twice as long as PPPP and the old PP in the Sequence IIIE oxidation test. Interestingly, PPPP and PP lasted the same in the same test, meaning PurePlus GTL had no improvement over the old Group III formulation. And that's vanilla M1. M1 EP should last three times as long as PPPP.
You're comparing apples to oranges here. M1 EP 0W-20 is a PAO-based oil that's in the ranks of Amsoil Signature Series etc. There is really no comparison to PPPP's GTL base oil, which is a better Group III but still a Group III.
I can't post their internal document but here is a public research article by them on how PAO compares to Group III in Sequence IIIE and more:
Synthetic Lubricant Base Stock Processes and Products (link)
by ExxonMobil and Vavoline/Ashland
Let me guess. All your info is directly from Mobil, correct?
Kind of derailing the thread, but I have a similar question and I don't think it warrants a new thread. M1 vs M1 EP vs Pennzoil ultra, thought in 5w30 weight.
I've been using Pennzoil ultra 5w30, however I noticed my local Walmart has Mobil 1 jugs for $23 regardless of weight or line of product. Money is tight right now and i had read a post from a couple years ago saying Pennzoil changed their formulation and that ultra isn't as good as it used to be. So I got the M1 and because of the marketing bs on the bottle I got the EP as I wasn't about to research it for 2 hours standing in Walmart. Again it was the same price as regular M1. My post oil change research reveals that EP is only beneficial if it's used for longer intervals. Does the additive package in anyway help if used in shorter OCI, like with better cleaning and anti wear since more additives will be present. I ask because I'm looking for an oil that will excels in the anti wear department. I drive a manual truck, and I'm not perfect. I will occasionally lug the engine because I was too lazy to shift and thought I could keep it in the same gear before realizing a down shift is mandatory. Or I have a bad shift and shock the engine. Though to be fair I've had other experienced manual drivers drive my truck and we all agree the drivability of it is terrible. Maybe I'm over thinking this because I'm OCD.
I've been using Pennzoil ultra 5w30, however I noticed my local Walmart has Mobil 1 jugs for $23 regardless of weight or line of product. Money is tight right now and i had read a post from a couple years ago saying Pennzoil changed their formulation and that ultra isn't as good as it used to be. So I got the M1 and because of the marketing bs on the bottle I got the EP as I wasn't about to research it for 2 hours standing in Walmart. Again it was the same price as regular M1. My post oil change research reveals that EP is only beneficial if it's used for longer intervals. Does the additive package in anyway help if used in shorter OCI, like with better cleaning and anti wear since more additives will be present. I ask because I'm looking for an oil that will excels in the anti wear department. I drive a manual truck, and I'm not perfect. I will occasionally lug the engine because I was too lazy to shift and thought I could keep it in the same gear before realizing a down shift is mandatory. Or I have a bad shift and shock the engine. Though to be fair I've had other experienced manual drivers drive my truck and we all agree the drivability of it is terrible. Maybe I'm over thinking this because I'm OCD.
M1 and M1 EP have the same additive pack as far as I know.
Moreover, add packs are sold for certification categories. So, don't expect different AW protection for different oils if, say, both are GF-5.
If you are really worried about lugging, towing, etc., get a thicker oil.
Better base oils never hurt, but, sure, the main benefit is a longer OCI and/or cleaner engine.
Moreover, add packs are sold for certification categories. So, don't expect different AW protection for different oils if, say, both are GF-5.
If you are really worried about lugging, towing, etc., get a thicker oil.
Better base oils never hurt, but, sure, the main benefit is a longer OCI and/or cleaner engine.
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Correct - EP has much more PAO. That $23 Mobil-1 has been PAO reduced since years ago, when it contained much more, before EP arrived on the scene. Same with Platinum, which was a better oil before Ultra arrived.
Want a 15-20K oil and use it for only 6-8K?..... go right ahead. Lots of folks waste money on this messageboard. They even buy Ultra filters and only use then for 5-8K.
The funniest / silliest part?...they sell that vehicle prematurely to old age retirement and never see the benefit to that 15-20K oil and that $9 filter.
Want a 15-20K oil and use it for only 6-8K?..... go right ahead. Lots of folks waste money on this messageboard. They even buy Ultra filters and only use then for 5-8K.
The funniest / silliest part?...they sell that vehicle prematurely to old age retirement and never see the benefit to that 15-20K oil and that $9 filter.
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Or we pass them on to our kids knowing they were in great shape when the neglect started …
Originally Posted by PimTac
Learn to be in the right gear before you get into that situation and lug the engine. No oil is going to protect it from the consequences over time.
Most engines aren't as vulnerable to "lugging," within reason, as people imagine.
Learn to be in the right gear before you get into that situation and lug the engine. No oil is going to protect it from the consequences over time.
Most engines aren't as vulnerable to "lugging," within reason, as people imagine.
M1 EP is marketed as a long drain oil and PP is not...so starting from that premise, I wouldn't really care which has PAO versus GTL base if my OCI is 5-7K miles and my needs aren't for a long OCI oil. I'm not convinced that PUP is significantly ( or any ) better than PP depending on the OCI and application just as I'm not convinced that a theoretically superior M1 EP 0w-20 will mean anything different to my vehicle ( even if it was purchased at the same price ) if you're using a 5-7K mile OCI schedule whether it had GDI as a differentiator or not.
To me, that's the question and the answer without the specifics from the OP. This site has a tendency for blanket statements that get modified over time...like calling a 5-7K mile OCI of synthetic oil a "waste of money" before the rise of GDI and the potential for fuel dilution...and then how much that fuel dilution actually contributes to wear if it's under 2% at a 5-7K OCI, etc. Unfortunately, answering something like that might be a lot harder than providing blanket statements about the oil which might have greater parts OCD than functional reality.
To me, that's the question and the answer without the specifics from the OP. This site has a tendency for blanket statements that get modified over time...like calling a 5-7K mile OCI of synthetic oil a "waste of money" before the rise of GDI and the potential for fuel dilution...and then how much that fuel dilution actually contributes to wear if it's under 2% at a 5-7K OCI, etc. Unfortunately, answering something like that might be a lot harder than providing blanket statements about the oil which might have greater parts OCD than functional reality.
Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by painfx
I've decided to stick with Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20 oil throughout the winter and summer. Thanks guys!
Fine but that doesn't change the fact that M1 EP 0W-20 (PAO-based) is far superior to PPPP 0W-20 (GTL-based) in terms of resistance to oxidation and oil life. You can go 20,000 miles or more on M1 EP 0W-20 but with PPPP 0W-20 don't even think about exceeding a 10,000-mile OCI. I have an internal document that shows that vanilla M1 lasts twice as long as PPPP and the old PP in the Sequence IIIE oxidation test. Interestingly, PPPP and PP lasted the same in the same test, meaning PurePlus GTL had no improvement over the old Group III formulation. And that's vanilla M1. M1 EP should last three times as long as PPPP.
You're comparing apples to oranges here. M1 EP 0W-20 is a PAO-based oil that's in the ranks of Amsoil Signature Series etc. There is really no comparison to PPPP's GTL base oil, which is a better Group III but still a Group III.
I can't post their internal document but here is a public research article by them on how PAO compares to Group III in Sequence IIIE and more:
Synthetic Lubricant Base Stock Processes and Products (link)
by ExxonMobil and Vavoline/Ashland
Hi.
I am comparing those 2 because they are easily found at Walmart. I noticed that although people are saying Mobil 1 EP is a PAO oil, but I still find it burns oils. Besides the fact that it can go longer OCI, seeing it burning oil, is a dislike for me. But I know I can't go wrong with either. I am just here want to hear opinions on what others have to say.
I chose PPPP is because it is cheaper and I do OCI at 5k. Wanted to see how great PPPP (GTL) compared to the oil school PAO Mobil 1.
Thank you.
Originally Posted by painfx
I've decided to stick with Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20 oil throughout the winter and summer. Thanks guys!
Fine but that doesn't change the fact that M1 EP 0W-20 (PAO-based) is far superior to PPPP 0W-20 (GTL-based) in terms of resistance to oxidation and oil life. You can go 20,000 miles or more on M1 EP 0W-20 but with PPPP 0W-20 don't even think about exceeding a 10,000-mile OCI. I have an internal document that shows that vanilla M1 lasts twice as long as PPPP and the old PP in the Sequence IIIE oxidation test. Interestingly, PPPP and PP lasted the same in the same test, meaning PurePlus GTL had no improvement over the old Group III formulation. And that's vanilla M1. M1 EP should last three times as long as PPPP.
You're comparing apples to oranges here. M1 EP 0W-20 is a PAO-based oil that's in the ranks of Amsoil Signature Series etc. There is really no comparison to PPPP's GTL base oil, which is a better Group III but still a Group III.
I can't post their internal document but here is a public research article by them on how PAO compares to Group III in Sequence IIIE and more:
Synthetic Lubricant Base Stock Processes and Products (link)
by ExxonMobil and Vavoline/Ashland
Hi.
I am comparing those 2 because they are easily found at Walmart. I noticed that although people are saying Mobil 1 EP is a PAO oil, but I still find it burns oils. Besides the fact that it can go longer OCI, seeing it burning oil, is a dislike for me. But I know I can't go wrong with either. I am just here want to hear opinions on what others have to say.
I chose PPPP is because it is cheaper and I do OCI at 5k. Wanted to see how great PPPP (GTL) compared to the oil school PAO Mobil 1.
Thank you.
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