Microgard Select vs Wix at Oreilly

[ZeeOSix]

If the US filter makes want to keep a good market share, maybe they should get their act together and fix the many issues they've been having. Can't fool the consumers forever ... eventually with all the social media, chat boards, YT, etc the word spreads of inferior products.

 

[fantastic]

Here we go with the "Spec Sheets" excuse, lol. If you are so confident "in your opinion" that the XP is some high efficiency "higher tier" filter now, then you prove it since you claim it's "higher tier" ... but that was just based on its construction and "up to" use mileage rating, which is contradictory to what a long OCI filter should be in terms of efficiency. It probably no higher tier than a Classic Purolator in a Wix XP can now ... but that might actually be better than 50% @ 20u.

It was based on the construction & service interval. I'm not claiming their "High Efficiency" but YOU are claiming they are "Bad Efficiency" so I have nothing to prove but you could follow up with your "Bad efficiency" claim with actual data. That's the way it should work. I made no claim about efficiency but YOU did so YOU go prove efficiency is bad.

 

[ZeeOSix]

It was based on the construction & service interval.

Basing a filter only on construction and service interval is a poor excuse for thinking the filter is "high tier" ... but maybe so for those who really don't understand filter efficiency. And that's what Wix is hoping for as they don't show the efficiency ... they only use the efficiency statement of "WIX XP Oil Filters provide over 99% dirt-trapping efficiency" with no associated micron rating ... zero info anywhere on their website.

I'm not claiming their "High Efficiency" but YOU are claiming they are "Bad Efficiency" so I have nothing to prove but you could follow up with your "Bad efficiency" claim with actual data. That's the way it should work. I made no claim about efficiency but YOU did so YOU go prove efficiency is bad.

Tell yeah what, I'll call the Wix Tech guys tomorrow and see that they say since the last time I called them. I'm betting it's still "proprietary" just like before.

 

[fantastic]

Tell yeah what, I'll call the Wix Tech guys tomorrow and see that they say since the last time I called them. I'm betting it's still "proprietary" just like before.

Never know, tell them I sent ya, Maybe they'll front you any spec sheets. J/K
Good luck however.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Never know, tell them I sent ya, Maybe they'll front you any spec sheets. J/K
Good luck however.

I'll actually ask them if they have a Spec Sheet like M+H has for all the Purolators. Stay tuned.

 

[bullwinkle]

Yes, There are exceptions.

Well, you did say “wouldn’t run one 20K on a Toyota”! Of course, it’s a big jump from my old MPI VVT-I engines to the super-duper GDI turbocharged ones of today, like those “wonderful” 3.6s in the Tundra & Sequoia!

 

[fantastic]

Well, you did say “wouldn’t run one 20K on a Toyota

Incorrect, Please reread my statement below.

"Higher Tier" would mean mileage duration & construction. The WIX XP uses more synthetic media to go further. You're not going 20k on a Microgard unless using it on a Toyota.

Basing a filter only on construction and service interval is a poor excuse for thinking the filter is "high tier" ... but maybe so for those who really don't understand filter efficiency.

As for the "foolish" & "Poor excuse" comments. I guess by that standard all of us that choose a Premium Guard built filter are foolish because "Construction" quality is pretty much the primary reason folks buy them. How can you blame that b/c the efficiencies are not known?

 

[ZeeOSix]

As for the "foolish" & "Poor excuse" comments. I guess by that standard all of us that choose a Premium Guard built filter are foolish because "Construction" quality is pretty much the primary reason folks buy them. How can you blame that b/c the efficiencies are not known?

i never said "foolish", read better and don't make stuff up.

The Premium Guard made filters I buy show an ISO 4548-12 efficiency rating. Good enough for me, even without a "spec sheet", lol.

 

[fantastic]

i never said "foolish", read better and don't make stuff up.

The Premium Guard made filters I buy show an ISO 4548-12 efficiency rating. Good enough for me, even without a "spec sheet", lol.

Okay "Fooled" but the "Poor Excuse" is correct. The "Fooled" comment is silly since no one has good data on Microgards either.

I don't care what they do, only that I know what their products really are. Others can be fooled if they want.

Seems fitting for this discussion ...

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Yeah, being second from the bottom is still "higher tier" than the worst. But it's obvious that you think the XP is some high tier filter. Sucked in like the others perhaps?

The uniformed are fooled ... goes for many things these days.


There has been many discussions about the Wix XP efficiency in the past. Look at Ascent's ISO testing results ... 60% @ 20, not far off from what Wix use to claim the XP efficiency to be 50% @ 20u before they made it "proprietary". It was even published on the Wix website at one time, but now nothing. Now that it seems the XP is just a M+H Purolator in a Wix can, maybe the efficiency is better? Can't know for sure because Wix won't tell anyone what the XP efficiency is ... top secret "propitiatory", lol. Call the Wix Tech Line and see what they'll tell you now.

Seems to me you're trying to prove a point about WIX efficiency here. In all fairness, You don't have that data available so to blame the general public for being fooled isn't really fair either. Again, "Poor Excuse" for many folks buying a Microgard isn't right either since that data isn't available & many here buy it on construction quality alone. They are not "Fooled" nor "poor excuses".

 

[bullwinkle]

Okay "Fooled" but the "Poor Excuse" is correct. The "Fooled" comment is silly since no one has good data on Microgards either.





Seems to me you're trying to prove a point about WIX efficiency here. In all fairness, You don't have that data available so to blame the general public for being fooled isn't really fair either. Again, "Poor Excuse" for many folks buying a Microgard isn't right either since that data isn't available & many here buy it on construction quality alone. They are not "Fooled" nor "poor excuses".

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...usg=AOvVaw2QvrNBzMe5lmF-TR2bKVy-&opi=89978449
If this link works, the standard Service Pro is rated 97.19%@30 microns. Not the best, but a lot better than a Wix XP. I'm disappointed in the USA filter manufacturers myself, there used to be many quality passenger car filter uppliers here, but they've all been sold off to companies chasing the almighty dollar!

 

[fantastic]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...usg=AOvVaw2QvrNBzMe5lmF-TR2bKVy-&opi=89978449
If this link works, the standard Service Pro is rated 97.19%@30 microns. Not the best, but a lot better than a Wix XP. I'm disappointed in the USA filter manufacturers myself, there used to be many quality passenger car filter uppliers here, but they've all been sold off to companies chasing the almighty dollar!

Yeah, I wonder what their filter would be at 99%. Probably >40um. Wish filter tests were at a standard 99 percent to more easily be compared between filters. I'm taking the Service Pro you linked to be related to premium guard? Seems similar construction based on the picture of the filter. You're right it's a mess. PG seems to be the silver lining on construction but leaves out any test mentioning any filter. They make it all quite elusive. Thanks for sharing the link and wonder how well it compares from any other data sources. Probably begs more questions if it doesn't line up.

 

[Sam_Julier]

Bickering. Lock time.