Microgard Select - No Love?

[Mazdazoomzoom]

I called about that. It’s a website error. 42-60 is for the regular PG. The EX is 15-25. If you look they swapped micron ranges in error. I also asked for the official ISO efficiency of the range.

EX:
98.7%@15(absolute)
99.5%@20
99.9%@25

Thanks for straightening that out.
I bought a Carquest Premium 85348 today for my 2009 Miata, because the filter said made in Vietnam, whereas the Microgard Select MSL51348 at Oreillys didn't say where made on box or filter. Was afraid maybe made in China.Looked at the new Mobil 1 m1-102 at Walmart, but made in South Korea, rather than Vietnam, like most of the new Mobil 1 filters.

On my 2021 Mazda 3 skyactiv, had been using NAPA Gold 7002(Wix 57002) because only one beside OEM Mazda filter with no ADBV, that Mazda says you should use on skyactiv, due to being high flow.
Bought new NAPA Gold 7002, and later when opened the box, now look like made by PG, better looking than the old Wix made NAPA Gold, but they have an ADBV. Took them back, and will use the Mazda oem 1wpe-14-302 made in Thailand, with no ADBV.

 

[Carlostrece]

Except the unknown is that these filters made through PGI may or may not all be exactly the same, even though they basically look the same. It would depend on if someone like Advance Auto or O'Reilly or NAPA has worked with PGI and specified something different for their branded filters. Just like the Fram Titanium sold only at AAP was basically a Fram Ultra, but there were differences specified by AAP to Fram.

I see. Well for my car Oreilly Microgard Select specifies 99% @ 25 microns. Napa Gold Specifies 99@ 23 microns.

Several other autostores housebrand premium filters (also made by Premium Guard) specifiy filtration as 15 or 20 microns.

I always assumed those are the same filter with same filtration IRL, but with filtration specs stated differently.

Earlier in this thread Glenda posted that Premium Guard specifies filtration of
98.7%@15
99.5%@20
99.9%@25

IMO that probably explains how/why various autostores housebrand premium filters made by Premium Guard state filtration microns slightly differently depending on which autostore it is. More than one filtration spec can be true of the same filter, especially with incomplete info. The autostores always provide incomplete info/specs.

I think they're probably all the same filter, but as you said, there's no way to know for sure other than indepth testing that's not worth the trouble, IMO.

 

[Carlostrece]

Has it ever been determined if Pentius premium filters are the same as Premium Guard premium filters?

 

[DannyM]

Except the unknown is that these filters made through PGI may or may not all be exactly the same, even though they basically look the same. It would depend on if someone like Advance Auto or O'Reilly or NAPA has worked with PGI and specified something different for their branded filters.

Yeah it looks like these companies request slightly different designs and here is a Napa Gold and Microgard Select both out of the Vietnam factory and for the same vehicle but look closely at the baseplates and also check the quite a difference in weight. Looks like Napa is requesting heavier gauge metal plus larger adbv which is interesting.

Same exact factory because you can see all those other digits that VAFI puts in the stamp .. Looks like 8748 are their signature factory digits.

 

[DannyM]

Has it ever been determined if Pentius premium filters are the same as Premium Guard premium filters?

no evidence of this currently that I am aware of but some of their products might possibly be coming out of the same factories. . Pentius canister XL come out of Korea 100% while almost all PG XL filters are Vietnam and China.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I see. Well for my car Oreilly Microgard Select specifies 99% @ 25 microns. Napa Gold Specifies 99@ 23 microns.

Several other autostores housebrand premium filters (also made by Premium Guard) specifiy filtration as 15 or 20 microns.

I always assumed those are the same filter with same filtration IRL, but with filtration specs stated differently.

Earlier in this thread Glenda posted that Premium Guard specifies filtration of
98.7%@15
99.5%@20
99.9%@25

IMO that probably explains how/why various autostores housebrand premium filters made by Premium Guard state filtration microns slightly differently depending on which autostore it is. More than one filtration spec can be true of the same filter, especially with incomplete info. The autostores always provide incomplete info/specs.

I think they're probably all the same filter, but as you said, there's no way to know for sure other than indepth testing that's not worth the trouble, IMO.

It's possible that all these brands made under the PGI umbrella are ISO tested in different labs, which could come up with slightly different results. Or that slightly different sized models are ISO efficiency tested. Could also be the media used in the various PGI made filters are slightly different. There are reasons there could be some slight efficiency differences, even if they were the same filters. The only way to compare them all accurately is to test them all in the same ISO lab by the same people running the equipment, and use the same filter models/size for each test.

But the bottom line is all the Extended Performance PGI made filters seem pretty high on the efficiency scale, at lease 99% @ 25u or better.

 

[Carlostrece]

It's possible that all these brands made under the PGI umbrella are ISO tested in different labs, which could come up with slightly different results. Or that slightly different sized models are ISO efficiency tested. Could also be the media used in the various PGI made filters are slightly different. There are reasons there could be some slight efficiency differences, even if they were the same filters. The only way to compare them all accurately is to test them all in the same ISO lab by the same people running the equipment, and use the same filter models/size for each test.

But the bottom line is all the Extended Performance PGI made filters seem pretty high on the efficiency scale, at lease 99% @ 25u or better.

Agreed. I suspect each autostore just chooses one of the 3 micron sizes stated by Premium Guard on the PG website. Each of the 3 is a different way of saying the same result.

98.7%@15
99.5%@20
99.9%@25

It's also possible Napa and Oreilly ask for different filtration spec filters. I doubt that, but I don't know. In any case, they're both good filters whether identical or not. So I guess it doesn't matter.

That said, I'm looking forward to watching the video in post 205.

 

[Carlostrece]

I watched the video in post 205. I can see the Napa Gold is a slightly different filter from Oreilly Microgard Select, which surprised me. It appears to me that the NAPA version is slightly better because it has more filter media. Does anyone else see it that way or are they so close as to be functionally equivalent?

I live 10 blocks from an Oreilly store and 12 blocks from a Napa store. So I can easily get either one.

BTW - In the disassembly video he mentions and shows both brands having what he calls "good hard glue that's light colored". I found that interesting because my Microgard Select filter uses soft black glue that reminds me of black silicon caulking material. Some of it was on the exterior of endcap. I easily scraped it off with my fingernail. I didn't like that, but it was my only (minor) quibble with my MG Select filter.

I'm willing to buy another MG Select next time, but next time I might get a Napa Gold instead because why not? If Napa Gold has more filter media, that's a slight advantage for no extra cost, IMO.

I wonder which of those filters is most like a Premium Guard premium filter?

 

[ZeeOSix]

BTW - In the disassembly video he mentions and shows both brands having what he calls "good hard glue that's light colored". I found that interesting because my Microgard Select filter uses soft black glue that reminds me of black silicon caulking material. Some of it was on the exterior of endcap. I easily scraped it off with my fingernail. I didn't like that, but it was my only (minor) quibble with my MG Select filter.

All 3 models of MicroGard Selects I've bough has the cream colored glue. Which model was the one with the black glue? Did you do a C&P thread here of that filter, or still have the filter laying around?

 

[Carlostrece]

All 3 models of MicroGard Selects I've bough has the cream colored glue. Which model was the one with the black glue? Did you do a C&P thread here of that filter, or still have the filter laying around?

Oreilly Microgard Select MSL51036

I've not done a thread about it. The filter is installed on my car.

I didn't dissect it. I'm assuming soft pliable black glue was used to assemble filter because why else would some of it have been smeared on the exterior of filter endcap? It looked like black silicon gasket sealent, but softer and less durable. My fingernail scraped it off with only a little effort.

I've never seen that on the Wix or Baldwin filters I used to buy.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Oreilly Microgard Select MSL51036

I've not done a thread about it. The filter is installed on my car.

I didn't dissect it. I'm assuming soft pliable black glue was used to assemble filter because why else would some of it have been smeared on the exterior of filter endcap? It looked like black silicon gasket sealent, but softer and less durable. My fingernail scraped it off with only a little effort.

But did you look down the center tube with a good flashlight to see what color the glue was at the bottom of the center tube? ...
see photo. Sounds like you're describing something black on the outside of the filter. The cream colored glue used on the inside will not easily come off.

 

[Carlostrece]

But did you look down the center tube with a good flashlight to see what color the glue was at the bottom of the center tube? ...

Yes, I looked down center of tube to check for contaminent particles and to verify all holes open. Those things looked good. I didn't pay attention to internal glue. So I don't know what the internal glue looked like.

see photo. Sounds like you're describing something black on the outside of the filter. The cream colored glue used on the inside will not easily come off.

View attachment 280178

Yes, a little bit of soft black glue on outside of endcap near the gasket.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Yes, I looked down center of tube to check for contaminent particles and to verify all holes open. Those things looked good. I didn't pay attention to internal glue. So I don't know what the internal glue looked like.

I'm betting it's the standard cream colored glue inside the filter. What you saw on the outside was probably something unrelated.

 

[Carlostrece]

I'm betting it's the standard cream colored glue inside the filter. What you saw on the outside was probably something unrelated.

You might be correct, but I still wasn't thrilled with having black goo/glue on endcap, though it was only a small glob/smear of it.

Next time I'll visually inspect before buying.

 

[ZeeOSix]

You might be correct, but I still wasn't thrilled with having black goo/glue on endcap, though it was only a small glob/smear of it.

Next time I'll visually inspect before buying.

Look at that filter when it's removed at the next oil change. My bet it has the cream colored glue inside.

 

[Hohn]

Has it ever been determined if Pentius premium filters are the same as Premium Guard premium filters?

I suspect the answer to questions like this is fitement-specific.

For the common Honda size I buy, they are different filters made in different locations. Pentius UFXL comes from Korea, and the PGI Microguard Select comes from Vietnam.


More and more product lines are becoming mixed by application and part number. Napa Gold may or may not have something in common with another filter, depending on the fitment.

My local NAPA guy said that NAPA moved on from Wix because Wix couldn't supply them during Covid. I can't testify to whether that's true, it's just what I was told.

 

[Carlostrece]

I suspect the answer to questions like this is fitement-specific.

For the common Honda size I buy, they are different filters made in different locations. Pentius UFXL comes from Korea, and the PGI Microguard Select comes from Vietnam.


More and more product lines are becoming mixed by application and part number. Napa Gold may or may not have something in common with another filter, depending on the fitment.

My local NAPA guy said that NAPA moved on from Wix because Wix couldn't supply them during Covid. I can't testify to whether that's true, it's just what I was told.

There's many Youtube videos and forum threads suggesting (or in some cases saying) that Wix quality went down and Premium Guard quality is better, and saying that's why Napa Gold switched from Wix to Premium Guard.

We can only guess why Napa Gold changed.

 

[Carlostrece]

I like the Oreilly Microgard Select that I have. I thought Napa Gold was same filter. Now that I've seen the dissection video (see video link earlier in thread) I see they're slightly different. I like the Napa Gold better (slightly more filter media) but I still like Microgard Select too.

 

[drtyler]

Yeah it looks like these companies request slightly different designs and here is a Napa Gold and Microgard Select both out of the Vietnam factory and for the same vehicle but look closely at the baseplates and also check the quite a difference in weight. Looks like Napa is requesting heavier gauge metal plus larger adbv which is interesting.

Same exact factory because you can see all those other digits that VAFI puts in the stamp .. Looks like 8748 are their signature factory digits.

Should have used Microgard MSL100290 instead of the MSL57060.

 

[Carlostrece]

Should have used Microgard MSL100290 instead of the MSL57060.

Because?