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Lake speed Jr inside Valvoline R&D lab to investigate their restore and protect
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Definitely a surprised look.
I liked how the Tom Brady comparison caught the Valvoline guy by surprise
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Yeah I'm not sure why that is.
The guy in the video is the guy I emailed. He's the one that said it was new technology.
Notice how he said you need an engine lab to pick up on the nuances. Without it you're guessing.
He mentioned how in the past they've always worked with polar molecules to slow the rate of deposits. This approach is entirely different.
I appreciate LSJ and Valvoline doing this video. Good job.
"How the heck can you do all this if......you can't see all the nuances going and everything going on in the oil while it's in application." - Roger
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Are other engine oil companies not also doing that?
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Cynicism is rampant.
This was an excellent video.
This was an excellent video.
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Will post a filter in a few months like I did the HPL EC30 …
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Its been an observation here, just only a few here that have hard-on against Valvoline. The issue here is the product launch staged marketing that shouldn't happen in the first place and let the product speak for itself over the course of time.I've tried telling people that before. It was in plain English at a 1st grade level for everyone to see.
The guy in the video is the guy I emailed. He's the one that said it was new technology.
Notice how he said you need an engine lab to pick up on the nuances. Without it you're guessing.
I appreciate LSJ and Valvoline doing this video. Good job.
"How the heck can you do all this if......you can't see all the nuances going and everything going on in the oil while it's in application." - Roger
Now that Lake Speed Jr. is going to vett the oil on his wife's car, that should yield interesting results. He's kinda the guy that would pull off a valve cover for us to see. Basing on the quality of his content I seen so far.
For the record I have been using Valvoline synthetics for the last 6 oil changes on my daily driver before moving to HPL, and my filters C&P have shown not much is being picked up other than small chunks of carbon.
This was after just one oil change at only 4,000 miles. Polar base oils are great at mitigating deposits and can clean deposits when at very high levels like the original restore oil they made. But this guy said this new chemistry goes even further.
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I've seen LOTS of teardowns where the valvetrain is spotless, but when they get to the bottom end....deposits galore.
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Its really interesting how clean the lower end of the piston is compared to the top. Of course we have very little visual data on before and after teardown using high solvency oils such as Amsoil & HPL, that would be a pretty cool comparison to reference those pistons seen on the video.
Anyways heres a visual comparison of BG's EPR demonstration of a solvent based flush that agressively cleans the ring land areas. Notice the ring lands between the 2 upper and lower compression rings, look quite cleaned up. But the Valvoline we see here still has that region still caked up with carbon...
Here is Amsoil piston cleaniness example.
They kind of contradict themselves by saying a couple minutes later that their old product, full of ester, cleaned too much
.I suppose the cleaning when using esters depends on the type and quantity. Also high end oils that use esters that have that polarity are going to keep pistons clean to begin with.
What stood out to me is when he said they've gotten so good at keeping deposits to a minimum when using these polar base oils, but this new R&P flips it to a negative, I guess meaning it completely removes them.
As LSJ said, on paper you'd never know it. But it's been said a million times on here that what a VOA shows doesn't tell the entire picture. The original R&P had a very hefty does of POE. I believe they said it was near 50%. Oxidation value of that oil was 130.
This is an Amsoil SS piston after a double run of that IIIH test they're referencing. Clean for double length.
What stood out to me is when he said they've gotten so good at keeping deposits to a minimum when using these polar base oils, but this new R&P flips it to a negative, I guess meaning it completely removes them.
As LSJ said, on paper you'd never know it. But it's been said a million times on here that what a VOA shows doesn't tell the entire picture. The original R&P had a very hefty does of POE. I believe they said it was near 50%. Oxidation value of that oil was 130.
This is an Amsoil SS piston after a double run of that IIIH test they're referencing. Clean for double length.
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They are right to a degree, which mention filter plugging is a concern. Seal compatibility comes too mind as well. What happens if we put too much esters based oil in the motor? I haven't seen any documentation of main seals leaking crazy. However I trust the chemist's concern when other factors and drawbacks come into play...They kind of contradict themselves by saying a couple minutes later that their old product, full of ester, cleaned too much
As for HPL, they don't recommend exceeding 20-25% using EC30 which also has a high oxidation value per @RDY4WAR oil analysis sample, for similar reasons.
This is the exact prevailing factor in my maintenance plan.
The piston skirts look better with the R&P than what the BG photos show. In the BG piston photos, the skirts still have the same level of varnish. Notice the R&P photos. Also, look at how they jacked up the lighting on the BG second photos. (look at the white/black contrast ratio). In the Valvoline shot, it's two pistons from the same engine on the same table under the same light.
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Yup me too.
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Yup, and my experience with HPL, I was shocked at how much crap was liberated during an OCI on a clean engine only ever run at the factory intervals with premium oils. Now, the HEMI is a dirty running mill, but still, that was surprising. You wouldn't want that kind of rapid cleaning in your Joe Average OTS product, because the odds of rapidly plugging up the filter on a neglected mill would be extremely high.
I believe the key wording is an “ASTM Certified” engine test lab. You can have an engine test lab in your garage, but is it ASTM Certified?
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