Just an observation on Fram OC
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f355spider
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The issue with Frams and "classic" Ferraris from the 1960s to early 1970s is that Fram was the OEM filter. So when selling a classic Ferrari (or showing it at a concours) originality is everything. You will not see Frams on later Ferraris as they moved on to UFI in the 70s-80s era cars and later Purflux in the 1990s on.
Fram are well know as crap in the Ferrari circles. Most will substitute a UFI or Baldwin in place of Fram on older Ferraris. I have seen some owners have Baldwin filters stripped and repainted as Frams, so they can have the "look" while not risking engine damage. (there are threads on Ferrarichat.com of Frams on older Ferraris with failed anti drain back valves and completely collapsed or destroyed filter media...)
Fram are well know as crap in the Ferrari circles. Most will substitute a UFI or Baldwin in place of Fram on older Ferraris. I have seen some owners have Baldwin filters stripped and repainted as Frams, so they can have the "look" while not risking engine damage. (there are threads on Ferrarichat.com of Frams on older Ferraris with failed anti drain back valves and completely collapsed or destroyed filter media...)
Fram and Baldwin filters are popular .what other filters fit a Ferrari. I have a friend with a 328 and another with a Berlinetta Boxer and they run Baldwin because they are available. How many collectors wear out their Ferraris? The performance oriented owners may wear them out.
My wife drives an Italian made SUV with a twin turbo Ferrari sourced engine.....I use bulk oil and jobber filters at OEM OCIs. Trust me anything Italian will expire before you can harm the engine with even a lack of oil changes haha. I'm serious. I have a Cambiocorsa manual transmission (F1 style)in a little toy of mine and the clutch has to be changed at the same intervals as the oil. Im dead serious. My shop has gotten good at it. Im not joking--the OCI is 15k and so is the clutch. I don't even race it or drive it hard. If I drove it hard it would actually last longer--around 20-25k miles. I bought it super low miles dirt cheap. The orig owner hardly drove it and didn't want to put the money into a new clutch and pump. Even though I bought it super cheap I spend more on maintenance and repairs than I did for the car. Good thing I own a shop and write off the repairs. Italian made vehicles are truly mechanical engineering disasters in motion--from a Fiat to a Lambo. The Recaro seats are heaven though. Most comfortable wait for a tow truck you will ever have--you will have it often. Oh so often.
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Zee09
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I guess there is a stereotype that
Exotic sport car owners are technically above the average Joe when in reality they may buy because it is a status symbol.
Exotic sport car owners are technically above the average Joe when in reality they may buy because it is a status symbol.
You can buy many previously owned exotics for less than the cost of a Nissan Versa. My Masarati Spyder I bought with just over 15,000 miles, 5 years old and paid $14,000 for it in perfect shape less needing a clutch and F1 pump--$12,000 to $15,000 per dealer for repairs. I stripped a pump off a matching wrecked car I found through the towing industry and bought a new clutch and had my shop install it. Cost about about $1200 to do in house with the used pump. With repairs and maintenance I have it worked out it costs about $1.25 a mile retail to drive. I own a shop so I have a huge benefit. A dealer oil change for my toy or my wife's Italian SUV is between $750 and $1200. I do it in house with bulk oils and jobber filters for almost nothing. Dealer charges $395 for a set of wipers. I do have to buy premium Michelin or Trico wipers for them but takes me under 5 mins and costs $35 a set for my toy and my wife's SUV $50. (longer wipers and it has 3) The clutch and the OCI intervals are the same--15k miles. Many exotics and even BMWs and Mercedes have zero resale value. The depreciation is insane. Most people w money lease bc they know the cars are junk mechanically and not worth owning. Then you can buy slightly used almost new car for a huge discount. If you are mechanically smart its a good buy if you want a toy or have a certain car on your bucket list. My wife's Italian SUV is leased and a daily driver. Never ever would I buy a European car new. If you want new lease. If you want to own buy used and take the depreciation. Don't do both. Remember the RULE: If it floats, flys or f*cks its cheaper to rent.
No one buys any European car for reliability or practicality, Same w Teslas. Its to make a statement or for fun. No one pays $250 for a steak dinner that is merely hungry--McDonalds will fill you up--you pay that much to make a statement, impress or for enjoyment / fun.
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Zee09
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I use them too when they upgraded the adbv.
I call BS. No fram OC will kill any engine including a Ferrari. Italian engines don't need any reason or help destroying themselves or catching on fire. They are literally engineering disasters in motion. So I call BS. Ferrari engines are fast, sound great, sexy AF and amazingly unreliable and short lived. I dont doubt they had engine failures and I dont doubt owners blame it on Frams but that doesnt mean the Fram actually casued the engine to fail. Italian engines cause Italian engines to fail and spontaneously combust.
They are not the same as the WM consumer Fram EG. Not even made by Fram according to the box. Maybe now it is since they bought other companies. Wonder who makes it, looks robust.
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f355spider
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You would need to spend some time on Ferrari forums and email lists to see the photos of the collapsed filter media on the Fram PH-2804-1 and failed anti drain back valves. It is well known at Ferrari service specialists and the Ferrari dealer network. They will not use a Fram. I just googled, here is one thread, engine saved this time. Fram filter collapse = 1/2 oil pressure
I never mentioned engine failures, but yes, that has happened in a few cases, and you can see by how the filter fails, and loss of oil pressure, that it is possible.
Most knowledgeable owners will use a Baldwin or UFI filter instead. Again, Fram was only specified for 1960s to 1970s Ferraris, though they were compatible with many Ferraris into the 1980s, but by then, Ferrari had switched oem suppliers to UFI. Baldwin is the preferred aftermarket brand if UFI is not readily available.
Newer Ferraris (starting with some V8 models around 1989) all use Purflux.
Post with photos from previous threads of Fram PH-2804-1 failures:
FERRARI OIL FILTERS
Hi Guys: I am currently running Fram Filters on my 330, but my mechanic is recommending the Ferrari filters. They used to be red with the prancing...
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f355spider
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You installed Recaro (German) seats in your Italian car? That's interesting. Most Italian car makers do seats in house, or through an Italian sub contractor. Exception would be carbon fiber seats, then they get the seat frames from Sparco and typically finish them in house (fabrics or leather).
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