Oil Filter Relocation for convenience and performance

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If you have an engine with somewhat small oil filter (especially the stubby little BRZ/GR86 cars) or merely a Honda or similar with a small Fram 7317 size (M1-110), I think there may be a performance increase as well as a convenience increase that would justify the hassle of relocation to allow a larger filter that is easier to service. Larger filters have lower face velocity and perform better given the same media and flow rate.

This post is about 1)what remote options might be actual performance improvements, and 2) how to actually plumb such a thing so that you don't screw up the overall performance.

One Remote Filter Option to illustrate:

The Donaldson SP15 seems small enough it would be fairly easy to package on your vehicle:
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The filter head is available with -8 or -12 SAE ORB ports (no leaks!) in addition to the why-do-they-still-exist NPT ports. -12 gives you all kinds of options for bypass ratings.

The 30gpm flow rating and 100psi element collapse rating should be quite sufficient (since we'll use a version equipped with bypass, it should never see anything near 100psi delta on the media).

Oh, and the efficiency?
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That's 99.9% efficient at >SIX MICRONS. At least for that one version of the element. But perhaps you think that might be too restrictive? They have 11 micron and 23 micron elements as well (all ß1000 per ISO16889). That 23 micron element looks like a real winner for a full-flow option.

So there's one option-- a $50 filter head with some exciting, ultra-efficient spin-on options for filtration. But now they hard part, how do we build a system around this so we don't create excess oil pressure delay, risk oil starvation, or or otherwise reduce the reliability? It's counterproductive to improve filtration while reducing reliability.

One caveat: HYDRAULIC FILTERS HAVE NO PROVISION FOR ANTI-DRAINBACK.


Plumbing and Integrating a remote filter

Messing with the oil system should never be undertaken lightly. There are MANY devils hiding in details. They key thing here if you relocate the filter is to do it in such a way that you aren't making other parts of the oiling system worse in performance.

In a conventional relocation setup (OEM filter replaced with adapter plate that routes flow to a remote head), you will have a good bit of plumbing to the remote filter. This plumbing will (or should be) drained when the filter is serviced. Which then presents the problem of how do you prevent excessive oil pressure delay waiting for the system to re-prime? It's one thing to prefill a filter. It's quite another to prefill a run of plumbing also. It's somewhat difficult to do. It seems to me just a straight up relocation is likely to cause excess oil pressure delay at a service event.

Even with no air in the filter, remote mounting slightly delays oil pressure rise because it's "less stiff" hydraulically (lower bulk modulus).

So-- one of the first decision points in our schematic is: are we *relocating* the filter or are we adding a filter in parallel? I think it's clear enough that having the filter in parallel is desirable. This lets bring that flow in or out of the schematic based on a control input like temperature or pressure. Oil pressure delay is absolutely critical to durability in start/stop applications. Merely relocating the filter (even if it's an larger, more efficient filter) means more oil pressure delay; that is not a good thing.

So we need a filter in parallel. It turns out that's harder to do than it sounds. The standard sandwich adapters have the ports in series with the filter element. Which means you have to do your bypassing in the plumbing.

Which means tees on the outlet ports and making a hard bypass.

So maybe we start with an adapter like this nice quality piece from Setrab:
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For our PCMO purposes, -8 JIC is plenty of flow capacity in the outlet ports. This adapter routes oil through the external ports BEFORE sending it to your filter. So if we want quick oil pressure response, we need to tie these ports together on some run tees with a jumper that allows oil a very short path back. And on the rest of the run, we need to find a way to force oil to take the "jumper" instead of go to the remote filter until we have oil pressure.

But how do we force the oil the take the shortcut when when we first start, then cut over to the remote filter once we have pressure? A simple inline check valve on the hose to the remote filter won't do it. It will essentially cause all flow to bypass the remote filter all the time because once pressure is built, it acts backwards on both the bypass and the remote filter, thus assuring the bypass is always preferential enough that the check valve never opens, even if it's only 5psi.

Thus, it seems pressure control is the realm of hydraulic cavities and sophisticated pressure controls that are not realistic for a simple oil filter project.

What if we went to a thermostatic bypass like this one design for oil coolers?

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This adapter has a 180F activated thermostat. Below that temperature, the oil is never routed through the external ports. That means every cold start would essentially duplicate perfectly the OEM spin-on configuration with essentially zero additional oil pressure delay. Oil is then routed to the parallel filter only once its up to temperature.

I think this is likely the best option for adding an extra, higher-performance filter. Temperature activation means a cold start never suffers from excess oil pressure delay. And if you should happen to restart with hotter oil, the external loop has already been pressurized and primed, so the oil pressure delay on a hot restart is ALSO minimal and similar to you'd have with the OEM spin-on setup.

If you do pressure-based control instead of temperature, you end up with a ton of extra plumbing and complexity. And of course, more plumbing and complexity are opposed to reliability.

With the thermostatic sandwich adapter, you have minimal plumbing-- an adapter, your original spin-on filter, a remote head and two hoses to plumb it.


Now, what happens if the thermostat on the adapter fails? Well, if it fails closed, you'll essentially just have your stock spin-on setup. If it fails open, you'll be constantly sending oil to your remote filter head. It's easy enough to diagnose the failed-close option when your remote filter never gets warm. The failed-open fail mode would be harder to troubleshoot.



So-- a thermostatically controlled filter filter sandwich adapter that, once it cracks at 180 degrees, routes oil to the high-efficiency remote filter. It's sort of a middle ground between full flow and bypass filtration. Because the oil is already warm and thin before it goes to the remote filter, you can probably get away with the 11 micron element. And if the element should become plugged? Well, we opted for the 5psi bypass, so it just bypasses and you're left with "only" the normal spin-on you've trusted already. Or you could use the 23 micron element and get efficiency that is a nice upgrade to many spin-ons while still flowing very well and having excellent real world efficiency.

Seems pretty straightforward? What do you think? I'm not really interested in a typical bypass setup and I don't buy into toilet paper filters that waste TP and do slow-motion oil changes with all the "top offs." (this is really just a series of short interval partial changes).
 
I love that Donaldson posts the restriction curves for their filter elements:
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At most PCMO flow rates (under 6gpm) you'll only be losing about 1.5psi with the 11 micron element even if it's seeing essentially full flow. That seems perfectly livable to me on a PCMO application.
 
Those are pretty large filters - SP15 is 3.7" dia x 5.35" long and the SP25 is 3.7" dia x 7.87" long. Bet they both have a lot of media area which helps with the efficiency and the dP vs flow performance.

I see they make a B1000 (99.9%) at 5u in both sizes using the Synteq media. The B1000 efficiency range in the Synteq media is 6u to 23u depending on the filter model. Interesting.
 
So-- a thermostatically controlled filter filter sandwich adapter that, once it cracks at 180 degrees, routes oil to the high-efficiency remote filter. It's sort of a middle ground between full flow and bypass filtration. Because the oil is already warm and thin before it goes to the remote filter, you can probably get away with the 11 micron element. And if the element should become plugged? Well, we opted for the 5psi bypass, so it just bypasses and you're left with "only" the normal spin-on you've trusted already. Or you could use the 23 micron element and get efficiency that is a nice upgrade to many spin-ons while still flowing very well and having excellent real world efficiency.

Seems pretty straightforward? What do you think? I'm not really interested in a typical bypass setup and I don't buy into toilet paper filters that waste TP and do slow-motion oil changes with all the "top offs." (this is really just a series of short interval partial changes).
I'd probably go with a higher than a 5 PSI bypass valve on the remote filter. Sure, it's splitting the total flow rate between itself and the spin-on on the engine, so the dP will stay lower on both. But it's not going to hurt to have higher than a 5 PSI bypass valve on the remote filter just to ensure it says closed.

If you're going to use a 99.9% (Beta 1000) at 23u remote filter, might as well just find a full-flow spin on close to that efficiency and make it easy.

What would be the planned OCI with a filter setup like this?
 
Interesting ...
Can you do it? Sure.
Should you do it? Probably not.

Prove that it matters in the real world. First, show us that the current filter is somehow deficient in doing its job in a satisfactory manner. Then show us definitive proof (not supposition and anecdotal stories) that making this effort will substantially and meaningfully make a significant improvement in engine longevity over the stock filter. And let's not forget the added cost of the project, the extra oil to fill the system, and all the added potential failure (leak) points.
 
Interesting ...
Can you do it? Sure.
Should you do it? Probably not.

Prove that it matters in the real world. First, show us that the current filter is somehow deficient in doing its job in a satisfactory manner. Then show us definitive proof (not supposition and anecdotal stories) that making this effort will substantially and meaningfully make a significant improvement in engine longevity over the stock filter. And let's not forget the added cost of the project, the extra oil to fill the system, and all the added potential failure (leak) points.
I agree. Why do it? Bunch of extra failure points. Great write up though.
 
What would be the planned OCI with a filter setup like this?

I think that would have to be experimentally determined using a pressure gauge to catch delta P on the remote filter. With these heads, the bypass is in the head and not the element (which seems a better approach). It’s not too hard to catch the restriction data periodically. I’d say pretty confidently you could run 20k miles EASILY on one of those filters depending on on the element chosen. 23 microns, likely it’s a 30k element. 11 micron it’s probably 20k. 6 micron it’s probably 10k or less.

Keep in mind that since these filters are so large, the flow is low relative to capacity so some crazy long intervals might be data-backed if tested on smaller engines with rather modest oil demand.
 
Interesting ...
Can you do it? Sure.
Should you do it? Probably not.

Prove that it matters in the real world. First, show us that the current filter is somehow deficient in doing its job in a satisfactory manner. Then show us definitive proof (not supposition and anecdotal stories) that making this effort will substantially and meaningfully make a significant improvement in engine longevity over the stock filter. And let's not forget the added cost of the project, the extra oil to fill the system, and all the added potential failure (leak) points.
I’m skeptical too. It’s quite a bit of a hassle and of course not cheap.

Leakage is the one thing I’d *not* be really concerned about. Modern straight thread o-ring ports are essentially rock solid and leak free (SAE J1926/ISO 11926 or ISO 6149). By using interfaces from the fluid power industry, the plumbing is pretty reliable if it’s appropriately secured and free of rubs and such. Straight Thread O-ring (STOR) ports are so good that the ISO standard for the older straight thread metric port (ISO 9974) basically tells you that style of port is obsolete and you should be using a STOR port instead.

The extra oil to fill the system is essentially free. OCI is defined by burn rate relative to oil capacity, so any increase in oil volume is a proportional increase in OCI. It’s a pay now or pay later kind of thing, but it’s the same cost per mile regardless. But of course, with more oil circulating, the average oil temperature would be less and oxidation rate slower by some unknown amount. More oil and more oil wetted area means lower oil temp.

It’s impossible to meet a burden of proof defined by ambiguous words like “substantially” or “meaningfully” that have no quantification. So I wouldn’t bother to try.

I do like the idea of convenient filter access. And if doing do means replacing a filter less frequently to boot, then that’s just bonus. And if it also means my oil gets superior filtration, I’m ok with that too.

“Worth it” is always subjective and impossible to prove. All valuation judgements are subjective and not scientific.

But mostly I wanted to flesh out if a setup was possible and if there’s potential value in a middle ground between a bypass setup and stock full flow only.

Please don’t construe my post as a recommendation. Rather, it’s just exploring the art of the possible.
 
For our PCMO purposes, -8 JIC is plenty of flow capacity in the outlet ports.
Here are the dP-flow curves for the SP15 filter head. With the SAE-8 connections, the dP is 18 psi at 12 GPM. You'd definitely want to use the SAE-12 for the filter head. The Setrab adapter with the -8 JIC connectors might be similarly restrictive to the SAE-8 Donaldson filter head.

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With your thermostat setup, it sounds like both filters will be in series once the oil is up to temperature. If so, you'll be adding a lot of restriction to the oiling system.

As an example, on the BRZ/GR86 you mentioned, the max flow rate is ~12 GPM. You'd have at least 5 psi of dP from the SP15 filter head (SAE-12), and maybe another ~5 psi from the thermostat and oil lines, and >15 psi from the Setrab adapter. The bypass valve on the filter is also going to drop more than 5 psi if it clogs. The dP will rise higher than the cracking pressure, maybe to more like 15 psi.

That all adds up to ~40 psi if the filter clogs, or ~30 psi if it doesn't. If the primary filter clogs, you can add another ~15-20 psi to those figures. Even if you can get those figures a bit lower, this filter setup would probably do more harm than good.
 
I think that would have to be experimentally determined using a pressure gauge to catch delta P on the remote filter. With these heads, the bypass is in the head and not the element (which seems a better approach). It’s not too hard to catch the restriction data periodically.
The Donaldson spec sheet shows you can get a bypass valve in the filter. I'd rather have it in the remote filter than the mount for the remote filter. If the bypass is indeed in the mount, then it better be more than 5 PSI because all the hose run going from and back to the mount would be part of the dP across the remote mount.
 
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Prove that it matters in the real world. First, show us that the current filter is somehow deficient in doing its job in a satisfactory manner. Then show us definitive proof (not supposition and anecdotal stories) that making this effort will substantially and meaningfully make a significant improvement in engine longevity over the stock filter.
That's why I asked what the OCI was going to be with a setup like this. If he was planning on doing really long OCIs, then having more filtration and cleaner oil over the OCI could benefit. That's the whole purpose of a bypass filter setup.
 
With your thermostat setup, it sounds like both filters will be in series once the oil is up to temperature.
Think they would be in parallel, like a bypass filter setup once the remote filter circuit comes on-line with hot enough oil.
 
Here are the dP-flow curves for the SP15 filter head. With the SAE-8 connections, the dP is 18 psi at 12 GPM. You'd definitely want to use the SAE-12 for the filter head. The Setrab adapter with the -8 JIC connectors might be similarly restrictive to the SAE-8 Donaldson filter head.

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With your thermostat setup, it sounds like both filters will be in series once the oil is up to temperature. If so, you'll be adding a lot of restriction to the oiling system.

As an example, on the BRZ/GR86 you mentioned, the max flow rate is ~12 GPM. You'd have at least 5 psi of dP from the SP15 filter head (SAE-12), and maybe another ~5 psi from the thermostat and oil lines, and >15 psi from the Setrab adapter. The bypass valve on the filter is also going to drop more than 5 psi if it clogs. The dP will rise higher than the cracking pressure, maybe to more like 15 psi.

That all adds up to ~40 psi if the filter clogs, or ~30 psi if it doesn't. If the primary filter clogs, you can add another ~15-20 psi to those figures. Even if you can get those figures a bit lower, this filter setup would probably do more harm than good.
12GPM is more than I was thinking, but based on that data, you are certainly correct. I will say that -8 hose itself isn’t that restrictive— with warm oil it’s 2 PSI per foot roughly in pressure loss at 12GPM. So the Donaldson head’s high restriction isn’t due to the the -8 per se,it’s the effect on the inside drillings and such of going to the smaller port. Based on that data, you would indeed need to go to -12 on the head.

A critical piece of data I’m missing though is whether the thermostatic oil adapter sends ALL oil to the loop or just SOME of it. Since it’s intended for cooling primarily,I can see why they might not send all the oil to the cooler. I do see that when it’s cold it is 100% in bypass—no oil is sent to the external ports. It will act just like a normal spin-on.

Based on what I can gather from their site, the spin on is IN SERIES with the cooling loop, which poses more of a challenge. So the filters would be in series. Which makes the restriction more consequential.

I’m loathe to add more restriction between oil pump output and engine because the oil pump will be riding the regulator most of the time. Any additional restriction once on the regulator causes more oil to go into bypass and reduce actual oil flow through the engine.

Hmmm.

I need to think on this a bit more.
 
The Donaldson spec sheet shows you can get a bypass valve in the filter. I'd rather have it in the remote filter than the mount for the remote filter. If the bypass is indeed in the mount, then it better be more than 5 PSI because all the hose run going from and back to the mount would be part of the dP across the remote mount.
If you read the literature closely, I think you’ll find it’s in the head and not the filter itself.

I agree it would be preferable to have it in the element. But aparently that’s not what they offer. The PNs for the bare heads include a bypass spec. The PNs for the synteq element have no associated bypass spec.

Hydraulic filters generally lack bypass in the elements and also have no antidrainback. At least in my experience. This is because hydraulic systems will have those functions built into other aspects of of the system already and the filters need not provide them.

Engine oil systems are generally quite a bit less sophisticated than hydraulic systems.
 
If you read the literature closely, I think you’ll find it’s in the head and not the filter itself.
If that's the case, then as I mentioned above that bypass valve needs to be chosen according to the total dP of the flow path of the remote filter circuit, including the filter mount head, fittings, hoses and the filter itself.
 
Based on what I can gather from their site, the spin on is IN SERIES with the cooling loop, which poses more of a challenge. So the filters would be in series. Which makes the restriction more consequential.
If that's the case, you don't want the filters in series. What you need is a way to connect the remote filter circuit to the spin on mount on the engine so the remote filter is in parallel with the existing spin-on mounted on the engine. That would be a bypass filter type of setup. And if you could make the remote filter only come on-line in parallel with the temperature controlled valve like you seemed you wanted, then that's the way to set it up. Or just add the remote filter as a parallel filter that's always in the circuit without any temperature controlled valve in the remote circuit. Or just find an appropriate high efficiency spin-on if you're just doing normal OCIs.
 
I’d say pretty confidently you could run 20k miles EASILY on one of those filters depending on on the element chosen. 23 microns, likely it’s a 30k element. 11 micron it’s probably 20k. 6 micron it’s probably 10k or less.
But with this kind of filter setup, what would the actual OCI (oil change interval) be? Not the remote filter change interval.
 
If that's the case, then as I mentioned above that bypass valve needs to be chosen according to the total dP of the flow path of the remote filter circuit, including the filter mount head, fittings, hoses and the filter itself.
Need to clarify here (can't edit the original post). If the remote filter bypass is in the remote filter mount, then if designed well it should only be seeing the dP across the filter itself.

I can't tell if that Setrab adapter you posted would allow a remote filter to run in parallel with the regular filter. If the remote filter is plumbed in parallel with the regular engine filter, then the flow will be spit depending on the flow resistance path of each parallel flow path. The remote circuit will probably have more flow resistance due to the mounting head and the hoses, and it will then naturally have the smaller spit of the parallel flow.
 
Way back in my younger years, I had a 1987 Ford Escort with a diesel. The year before that, I had a diesel Tempo. (Don't ask ...)

My point being that these vehicles used a Mazda sourced little diesel engine and that engine had two filters on them. One was FF and one a BP. However, the "bypass" filter wasn't really a specific bypass filter. Rather, it was just a FF filter mounted opposite the real FF filter, and yet the "BP" side had a small orifice for flow restriction. The filter mount placed the filters in a mirror image; one base end up and the other base end down. The same filter mount fed both filters and returned the oil in the same path. It just had two filters; one hanging under the other in a mirror image.



Don't believe me? Look up the application on a filter site
Here are the Wix filters;
51324... 2/20=6/20 with 9-11 gpm flow (111mm tall)
51839... 2/20=6/20 with 9-11 gpm flow (96mm tall)
Why the different filters? I expect it's because the shorter one (which was mounted base-end up) had a VERY tight area to fit and the longer (nearly identical filter) wouldn't fit. Why they didn't just spec two of the shorter filters instead of one of each size is beyond me. I mean ... why have one part to stock when you can double the PITB factor, right?


The point is that FF filter can be used as a makeshift BP filter if you greatly reduce the flow rate.
However, I don't believe that the effect would be nearly as good as a more typical BP filter element (aka Amsoil BP filters, FS2500, etc ...).
 
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