Insurance companies refusing polices for Hyundai and Kia vehicles in some areas

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

In this case it's stupidly simple to steal. The ignition lock cylinder pops right out and exposes the ignition switch that can be turned as easily as the volume knob on the radio.

yeah, that is exactly how our 1986 Monte Carlo SS got stolen twice. So simple to do. Anything like a screwdriver or a small steel rod / crowbar and all it takes it to "pop" the lock or a steering column colar and boom! As you say anyone can pull or twist the ignition cables and away they go. Such a really sad design.

 

[dishdude]

yeah, that is exactly how our 1986 Monte Carlo SS got stolen twice. So simple to do. Anything like a screwdriver or a small steel rod / crowbar and all it takes it to "pop" the lock or a steering column colar and boom! As you say anyone can pull or twist the ignition cables and away they go. Such a really sad design.

Unfortunately all old cars were as simple to steal as this, that's why the Passkey and later transponder keys were developed.

 

[biggusblockus]

This may force the manufacturers to make cars more difficult to steal. If you can’t get insurance, you can’t get a loan, if you can’t get a loan, most people can’t buy a new car. They will just choose a different car From a different manufacturer.

 

[dan_erickson]

my coworker had a Kia and he is shopping for insurance. No one will touch it.

 

[PimTac]

The latest vehicle theft reports for Seattle-Tacoma are out. An average of 81 cars are stolen every day. In Washington state over 45,000 vehicles were stolen in 2022.

Report: Average of 81 cars stolen daily in Pierce, King counties last month

Members of the task force said they’re noticing a trend of thieves targeting cars parked at apartment complexes.

www.kiro7.com

 

[odie]

Found this on page 8 at https://www.kia-forums.com/threads/kia-vehicles-are-apparently-super-easy-to-steal.351190/ . Likely to apply to HYUNDAI models as well .

 

[Owen Lucas]

Found this on page 8 at https://www.kia-forums.com/threads/kia-vehicles-are-apparently-super-easy-to-steal.351190/ . Likely to apply to HYUNDAI models as well .

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Red anti-theft sticker?

Kia Bioz: lol

 

[dishdude]

Any idea how this software upgrade prevents the vehicle from being started?

This bulletin provides the procedure to upgrade the software logic of the Integrated Body Control Unit (IBU) or Body Control Module (BCM) system on some 2011-2016MY Sportage (SL) vehicles produced from May 6, 2010 through Nov 16, 2015, and 2017-2022MY Sportage (QL) vehicles produced from Dec 10, 2015 through Dec 7, 2021, which may not be equipped with an immobilizer. This logic upgrade will add anti-theft ignition start logic to the vehicle's system operation. Follow the procedure outlined in this publication to apply the improved logic to the ‘IBU-BCM’ system using the KDS ECU Upgrade function as described in this bulletin. For confirmation that the latest reflash has been applied to a vehicle you are working on, verify the ROM ID using the table on page 3 of this bulletin.

Window decals should also be applied to both front windows in accordance with the instructions on page 8 to indicate this anti-theft S/W logic upgrade has been completed (unless a customer specifically requests, they not be installed). An initial supply of window decals will be shipped directly to dealers. Should there be a delay in receipt of this supply, please track any customers that may need window decals installation upon receipt of the stickers.

I'm guessing it's for vehicle with alarms? If an unlock by the fob or key isn't detected the vehicle won't start? If so, why wasn't this part of the alarm function from the factory?

 

[PimTac]

As prevalent as facial recognition and fingerprint reading are on smartphones you would think that the automobile manufacturers would incorporate these into starting the car ? The fingerprint reader could be incorporated right in the start button. Facial recognition is starting to make its way in as some are using it for automatic seating and steering wheel positioning.

 

[nthach]

As prevalent as facial recognition and fingerprint reading are on smartphones you would think that the automobile manufacturers would incorporate these into starting the car ? The fingerprint reader could be incorporated right in the start button. Facial recognition is starting to make its way in as some are using it for automatic seating and steering wheel positioning.

The one who is remotely close to that is Tesla. You need the hardware, Secure Enclave and a way to authenticate the driver. Tesla has the IaaS, they can do it.

With the advent of NFC/UWB-based car keys in Apple Wallet(and it’s bound to your digital wallet, however you can give rights to family members or friends and they’ll get their own digital key), it’s the closest thing to that idea. Ironically, HyunKia is one of the early adopters of Apple Wallet keys.

 

[odie]

Hyundai fix is . https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/3768

 

[dishdude]

Hyundai fix is . https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/3768

A huge oversight to not have this from the factory, even in the '90s before transponders other manufacturers were using this.

 

[wemay]

Hyundai fix is . https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/3768

Good post. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Owen Lucas]

"Software Upgrade Details
The software upgrade modifies certain vehicle control modules on Hyundai vehicles equipped with standard “turn-key-to-start” ignition systems. As a result, locking the doors with the key fob will set the factory alarm and activate an “ignition kill” feature so the vehicles cannot be started when subjected to the popularized theft mode. Customers must use the key fob to unlock their vehicles to deactivate the “ignition kill” feature."

I wonder if the budget models came with a key fob or its built into the key.

 

[swampdodo]

Wait, so what happens if your fob goes out (dead battery) after you lock it with the fob...and you don't have a spare (if buying used, you may or may not get two sets of keys/fobs)...tow truck to the dealer?

 

[odie]

Wait, so what happens if your fob goes out (dead battery) after you lock it with the fob...and you don't have a spare (if buying used, you may or may not get two sets of keys/fobs)...tow truck to the dealer?

 

[grampi]

Doesn't surprise me. Insurance companies are the biggest legal crooks, along with big oil...

 

[PimTac]

Wait, so what happens if your fob goes out (dead battery) after you lock it with the fob...and you don't have a spare (if buying used, you may or may not get two sets of keys/fobs)...tow truck to the dealer?

You get plenty of warnings if your battery is low.

 

[Thermo1223]

You get plenty of warnings if your battery is low.

Fo realz...Tiguan was yelling at me as I leave my key in the truck most of the times, those especially below freezing. First thing after warming the key up and starting the car...LOW KEY FOB BATTERY.

 

[Greasymechtech]

Called Kia dealer for software update recall... next available date is 4/18/2023

Getting The Club is supposedly not even an option either. Oh well. Still have full coverage fire and theft.... two recalls on electrical gremlins that cause fires. Underamp'd fuse is the fix for 1. Not sure how they fixed the other issue since didn't bother with it yet.

2021 isn't worth investing in a Ravelco.