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I picked this up today from my local Chevron distributor. The case comes out to $5.43 a quart. This is the same distributor were I buy my Chevron Synthetic 5W-40 for my GTI.

My fiancee just bought a 2012 Subaru Impreza. Seeing the new Subaru FB engines require 0W-20 now. I wasn't going to pay over $8.00 for the Subaru oil or over $7.00 for the Toyota oil. I know I can pick up the Mobil 1 0W-20 for $25.84 for the jug at Wallyworld. I wanted to try this stuff. I been happy with the Chevron oil in my GTI.

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The same with Pennzoil Ultra 5W40, only available at distributor. When I was at a Shell distributor to pick up a case of Shell ATF for my E430, I saw they have PU 5W40 but the price was a little high at more than $8/qt.
 
They need to bring that out into more retail outlets. I know some people buy oil by name brand and many people are buying newer cars that require/recommend the 0W-20. Really the only oils I've seen readily available [retail non-OEM/dealer] in this grade is Valvoline, Mobil, QSUD, PP, and this is in Walmart, Oreilly's, Autozone, Napa. Another brand on the shelf would be nice, especially if it was priced right (I'm guessing an aggressive aim at the QSUD level of oils would be good)
 
Originally Posted By: Finklejag
I picked this up today from my local Chevron distributor. The case comes out to $5.43 a quart. This is the same distributor were I buy my Chevron Synthetic 5W-40 for my GTI.

My fiancee just bought a 2012 Subaru Impreza. Seeing the new Subaru FB engines require 0W-20 now. I wasn't going to pay over $8.00 for the Subaru oil or over $7.00 for the Toyota oil. I know I can pick up the Mobil 1 0W-20 for $25.84 for the jug at Wallyworld. I wanted to try this stuff. I been happy with the Chevron oil in my GTI.

Judging an oil based on the SAE grade alone on the bottle doesn't make a lot of sense. Is the Havoline an ultra high VI oil like the Toyota 0W-20 or the Idemitsu made Subaru SM 0W-20? No. Does it have the same high AW additive levels? No.
 
I respect your knowledge Catheram, but sometimes you come off really cocky. Have you seen a VOA of the Subaru SN 0W-20? What I have read here is they lowered the Moly content and VI when they switched from SM to SN.

The Toyota 0W-20 probably is the best 20 weight oil on the market. That doesn't mean I will pay the price for it. The Havoline 0W-20 will do just fine in the Impreza for the 7,500 mile OCI. The Havoline's VI is 172. It probably has the same AW additive levels as the Subaru SN oil anyway.
 
Originally Posted By: ChrisW
They need to bring that out into more retail outlets. I know some people buy oil by name brand and many people are buying newer cars that require/recommend the 0W-20. Really the only oils I've seen readily available [retail non-OEM/dealer] in this grade is Valvoline, Mobil, QSUD, PP, and this is in Walmart, Oreilly's, Autozone, Napa. Another brand on the shelf would be nice, especially if it was priced right (I'm guessing an aggressive aim at the QSUD level of oils would be good)


Here is the same, except I come across tons of 0w20 PEAK, RP, Amsoil and Castrol, moreso than QSUD and Valvoline, then again I usually dont look at Valvoline for some reason
 
My dodge calls for 5w-20. I wonder how well 0w-20 would work in its place? Great find and for a great price. In my book chevron products are top shelf! Its just a shame its not widely stocked.
 
Originally Posted By: Zeus103363
My dodge calls for 5w-20. I wonder how well 0w-20 would work in its place? Great find and for a great price. In my book chevron products are top shelf! Its just a shame its not widely stocked.


0W20 is simply 5W20 that passes more stringent cold cranking and pumping tests. In practice most available 0W20 tends to be just a tad lower viscosity than 5W20 and full synthetic.

The one difference I know of when discussing SN/GF5 0w20 is it doesnt have to meet the TEOST 33C High Temperature Deposit requirement of GF5 that 5W20 does.
 
That's a really good deal. I walked into my nearby Chevron gas station and they were selling the same oil for 8 dollars a quart. Would like to try this stuff on my Nissan if I could find it cheaper.
 
Originally Posted By: Mazda3LA
That's a really good deal. I walked into my nearby Chevron gas station and they were selling the same oil for 8 dollars a quart. Would like to try this stuff on my Nissan if I could find it cheaper.














To find it for cheaper than $8/qt, you might want to try looking for buying it from the nearest Chevron distributor in your state. If I am not mistaken, there is a distributor locator on the Chevron web site.

Off topic: When I complained that I could not find Havoline 0W20 in my state, I wrote a complaint letter to the Chevron VP. I told him I was going to "defect" to using Mobil 1 0W20, after using Havoline oil for many years. For my efforts, I found a UPS box of 12 qts sitting on my doorstep when I came home from work. I still haven't used them yet. Since Havoline 0W20 has such interesting, thin specs (cst@100C of 8.0 and cst@40C of 41 compared to most 20wt oils), I want to see if I will get any fuel economy benefits when gas prices are well over $4/gallon. (They are as low as $3.26/ gallon now here in the Nashville, TN area).
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Judging an oil based on the SAE grade alone on the bottle doesn't make a lot of sense. Is the Havoline an ultra high VI oil like the Toyota 0W-20 or the Idemitsu made Subaru SM 0W-20? No. Does it have the same high AW additive levels? No.


CATERHAM,

I don't remember other grades of oil being scrutinized so much for VI and flow characteristics. I.E., most people feel confident buying a SAE 5w30 of nearly any brand and feel it will meet the engine's requirements.

Could you please explain why you feel that 0W20's should be evaluated and chosen more carefully?

Thank you.
 
The only 0w20 I find in my area consistenly at Walmart and AAP is Mobil 1 0w20.
 
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Could you please explain why you feel that 0W20's should be evaluated and chosen more carefully?


That's a very good question. Personally, though I have no applications that specify xw-20 grades, I am very intrigued by CATERHAM's efforts in this regard. It's very interesting to note the fairly wide range of properties we see in some of these oils.

I'd be curious as to how much of a range there is in the 5w-30 and 10w-30 lines, too. I suspect there is a wide range, since we do see thinner oils like (if I recall correctly) M1 0w-30 AFE and the Havoline and Chevron 5w-30s, compared to things like GC and HDEO in 10w-30 and 5w-30.

I, too, would be confident that most 5w-30 with the proper API and ILSAC specifications would meet the purposes of my still-under-warranty G, but do pay a bit more attention when I'm considering oils for the old truck, since I do have more freedom to experiment.

That being said, I could experiment more effectively if I had oil pressure and oil temperature gauges in either or both vehicles.
 
Originally Posted By: Best F100
Originally Posted By: Mazda3LA

Since Havoline 0W20 has such interesting, thin specs (cst@100C of 8.0 and cst@40C of 41 compared to most 20wt oils), I want to see if I will get any fuel economy benefits

A common misinterpretation of the viscosity spec's.
The Havoline 0W-20 must have a HTHSV of at least 2.6cP and it has a 172 VI so it's nowhere near as light as the Toyota 0W-20 with it's 216 VI even though the Toyota oil has a higher KV100 of 8.5cSt.
The kinematic viscosity spec's do not correlate with operational viscosity all that well but the low KV figures do indicate a possibly low VII concentration and/or high quality base oils being used.
 
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Judging an oil based on the SAE grade alone on the bottle doesn't make a lot of sense. Is the Havoline an ultra high VI oil like the Toyota 0W-20 or the Idemitsu made Subaru SM 0W-20? No. Does it have the same high AW additive levels? No.


CATERHAM,

I don't remember other grades of oil being scrutinized so much for VI and flow characteristics. I.E., most people feel confident buying a SAE 5w30 of nearly any brand and feel it will meet the engine's requirements.

Could you please explain why you feel that 0W20's should be evaluated and chosen more carefully?

Thank you.

The reason is that there are no 200+ VI 30wt oils on the market.
It is the Japanese OEM's that have developed an ultra high VI 0W-20 oil primarily led by Toyota in conjunction with Nippon Oil.
AFAIK there are only three ultra high VI 0W-20 oils currently available; namely the Toyota 0W-20, Sustina 0W-20 and the Idemitsu SM 0W-20 (supplied to Mazda USA, Mitsubishi and Honda/Acura Canada).
Consiquently all other 0W-20 (and 5W-20 for that matter) oils are very much heavier particularly on start-up. We're talking 30% or more even at room temperature; more so at lower temp's.
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
The kinematic viscosity spec's do not correlate with operational viscosity all that well but the low KV figures do indicate a possibly low VII concentration and/or high quality base oils being used.


Could you elaborate further on that? I'd assume that such indicators would also be valid with other grades. I note that things like 5w-30 Chevron/Havoline have rather low KV numbers, compared to others like even PYB, not to mention 5w-30 HDEOs.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
The kinematic viscosity spec's do not correlate with operational viscosity all that well but the low KV figures do indicate a possibly low VII concentration and/or high quality base oils being used.


Could you elaborate further on that? I'd assume that such indicators would also be valid with other grades. I note that things like 5w-30 Chevron/Havoline have rather low KV numbers, compared to others like even PYB, not to mention 5w-30 HDEOs.

Yes it applies to all grades.
Oils with the same HTHSV and the same VI will have the same operational viscosities at all temp's down to at least 0C.
If one oil has as significantly lower VI it will of course be heavier on start-up but also somewhat heavier at normal hot operating temp's; i.e., 100C.
This topic was discussed in the following thread titled "HTHSV trumps KV100 below:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2276634&page=1
 
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