I can no longer eat fast food

[shrooms]

Originally Posted By: mpvue
these threads come up every once in a while around here and I always find it amusing how colorful the metaphors are that are used to describe the food. exaggeration is putting it mildly.

we do a lot of cooking at home but we eat out very occasionally. when it is once in a while it might be a treat. its been a few years since we've been to red lobster, but I thought it was pretty good. we went to olive garden maybe 2 yrs ago after not being there for a few years and that too was a pleasant surprise, I liked it.
as for McD's, once in a while I get a jonsin' for a big mac but I wouldn't try to eat there regularly. occasional fast food is not going to hurt you, everything in moderation.
I disagree on the idea that subway is 'better'; please. there are so many better places to get a hoagie (that's PA-speak for a sub)made with a better quality of meat. granted,too much processed meat is also not good for you, but subway has to save money somewhere and its in the quality of the meat.


Sorry, but to say that RL and OG are 'good', you don't know what good outside food really is.

RL is way over priced with horrible service and quality. The same with OG. ANY dedicated privately owned seafood and Italian rest, will DECIMATE any RL and OG 24/7, 365. Just Google for the rest near you and see, smell and TASTE the difference. No comparison.

 

[PandaBear]

I only eat McD's dollar menu chicken sandwich once every 2 weeks or so, Subway foot long once a week, In and Out burger (no cheese, no double) once in a while and never with fries or soda. They are not too bad FOR THE PRICE.

The thing is, these low cost establishment needs to pay rent, labor, food, royalties, etc to stay in business, and they are not going to sell you 50 cents of ingredients for $1 or $1 of ingredients for $3, they have to sell you 10 cents of ingredients for $1 or 50　cents of ingredients for $2.50.

I'll tell you what's the worst thing you can eat day after day: Top ramen.

 

[Spazdog]

Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Even upscale chain restaurants suck these days. We recently went to Red Lobster - HORRIBLE. Crab legs were a soggy mess - obviously boiled to death. Shrimp Alfredo tasted like it was out of a can.

We tried Outback Steak House a few weeks ago. My medium rare 8 ounce special ended up being about a 4 ounce piece of beef jerky. It had to have been placed in a blast furnace for a few days. It took 2 tries to get one that was edible!

I'm sticking to locally owned eateries.

Dread Lobster
Scallops were all uniform size. The size and taste of pencil erasers. Probably Sea Skate. Horrible.

 

[Volvo_ST1]

You are what you eat. Life is too short to eat garbage. Being cheap when it comes to food becomes costly in the long run when your health begins to suffer. Why anybody would eat cheap but overpriced food is totally beyond me. I'd rather eat a banana than gag down some hormone-laced processed meat unfit for human consumption.

The above comment regarding good food at Red Lobster and The Olive Garden made me laugh out loud. Someone dragged me to the latter recently, and even their bread was nasty factory bread with a chemical taste (potassium bromate?).

 

[Scoot_4_20]

Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Yes, these foods are very salty. They do it to mask the unpleasantness of the food itself. Once I wanted fries and went to McDonalds. I asked for no salt and the fries were inedible without it. When I make fries at home, I do not use salt on them and they are delicious.


Lately what I've found is that Bragg's raw ACV [apple cider vinegar] is good on anything in place of salt, plus it's very healthy. ACV really spruces up the taste of many foods. I had some in a vegan chili the other day and it was awesome. I don't believe in adding salt to anything any more.

 

[Scoot_4_20]

Originally Posted By: shrooms
granted,too much processed meat is also not good for you, but subway has to save money somewhere and its in the quality of the meat.


McD's, OG, RL, Subway, Wendy's, etc., etc., ALL cut any/every corner they can. They are all about making money. They use the cheapEST factory farmed meats, pesticide laden vegetables they can find. They're in business to get rich, not make anyone healthy.

If you want health, buy the best quality food you can and prepare it at home.

 

[Volvo_ST1]

Originally Posted By: Scoot_4_20
Lately what I've found is that Bragg's raw ACV [apple cider vinegar] is good on anything in place of salt, plus it's very healthy. ACV really spruces up the taste of many foods. I had some in a vegan chili the other day and it was awesome. I don't believe in adding salt to anything any more.


ACV was a fad in Europe until a few years ago. Most of the health benefits attributed to ACV consumption in quantity have been debunked, though.

You should take the ACV as capsules to avoid tooth damage. There are people who drink diluted vinegar by the cup daily, which does cause decalcification of tooth enamel.

I love sour foods and I use vinegar in many dishes.

 

[Scoot_4_20]

Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1


Most of the health benefits attributed to ACV consumption in quantity have been debunked, though.


I don't know where you heard that from but I doubt my health coaches would agree with it. They've saved countless lives with ACV as part of the plan, and that's good enough for me. IMHO, ACV is and always will be a very healing thing to take, as food, not pills. I was not able to tolerate much oral ACV until recently, and I seem to benefit from it, as well as cayenne, raw honey, vegan diet, etc.

ACV is the only raw alkalinizing forming vinegar there is. That means, it goes in acidic but causes an alkaline ash in the body (just like citrus fruits, lemon, etc). Distilled, balsamic, etc., are all acid forming in the body. I'd tend to think lemon could harm the teeth more than ACV, but I don't worry about it much, I use them both.

 

[Volvo_ST1]

Originally Posted By: Scoot_4_20
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1


Most of the health benefits attributed to ACV consumption in quantity have been debunked, though.


I don't know where you heard that from but I doubt my health coaches would agree with it. They've saved countless lives with ACV as part of the plan, and that's good enough for me.

Well, while we agree that ACV has benefits, I am not as enthusiastic and uncritical and trusting as you are.


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IMHO, ACV is and always will be a very healing thing to take, as food, not pills.

What's humble about your or anyone's opinion? I totally agree on ingesting vinegar as food. For those who insist on drinking diluted vinegar by the cup, they would be well-advised to take ACV caps (not pills) instead. Ask any dentist.

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I was not able to tolerate much oral ACV until recently, and I seem to benefit from it, as well as cayenne, raw honey, vegan diet, etc.

I don't disagree with you or doubt any of that. One must also never underestimate the placebo effect of a positive attitude.

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ACV is the only raw alkalinizing forming vinegar there is. That means, it goes in acidic but causes an alkaline ash in the body (just like citrus fruits, lemon, etc). Distilled, balsamic, etc., are all acid forming in the body.

The acetic acid in ACV is a weak acid and easily exhausted, while the other components of ACV are alkalizing.


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I'd tend to think lemon could harm the teeth more than ACV, but I don't worry about it much, I use them both.

I would drink neither by the cup. How much do you drink, and what's the dilution?

 

[Scoot_4_20]

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What's humble about your or anyone's opinion? I totally agree on ingesting vinegar as food.


Yes, but ACV and plain vinegar are two altogether different foods.

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I don't disagree with you or doubt any of that. One must also never underestimate the placebo effect of a positive attitude.


I follow people that have saved the lives of 10s of thousands of people. We don't see placebo effect. We see people's lives turned around.

You could never match the benefit of raw ACV in a pill or capsule, though I'm sure there are sellers that love to sell you bottles of ACV pills. We stay away from anything fractionated, isolated, capsulated, etc., etc., and any "studies" that have to do with them.

 

[Spazdog]

Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
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The above comment regarding good food at Red Lobster and The Olive Garden made me laugh out loud. Someone dragged me to the latter recently, and even their bread was nasty factory bread with a chemical taste...

HAHA! It's not just me! I despise Olive Barfing. I would honestly rather stay at home and eat a frozen WalMart Great Value lasagna than eat at Olive Garden. I would enjoy it every bit as much

The food tastes pre-prepared/frozen there.

There is a small restaurant here that is far superior to Olive Garden for 2/3rds the price. (you do have to have the NY Yankees on in the background everytime they play, in the hometown of the TX Rangers nonetheless, but it's no problem for me...the Chicken Carciofi is worth it)

 

[TurboLuver]

Couldn't agree more about red lobster being low grade dog food!

I have to disagree with greenaccord though, I like to hit White Castle for some sliders or a local chili joint after I have had a few too many adult beverages.

 

[Volvo_ST1]

Originally Posted By: Scoot_4_20
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What's humble about your or anyone's opinion? I totally agree on ingesting vinegar as food.


Yes, but ACV and plain vinegar are two altogether different foods.


I only pretty much only raw ACV. By plain vinegar I suppose you mean distilled vinegar, or diluted acetic acid, which I don't use.



Originally Posted By: Scoot_4_20
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I don't disagree with you or doubt any of that. One must also never underestimate the placebo effect of a positive attitude.


I follow people that have saved the lives of 10s of thousands of people. We don't see placebo effect. We see people's lives turned around.

You could never match the benefit of raw ACV in a pill or capsule, though I'm sure there are sellers that love to sell you bottles of ACV pills. We stay away from anything fractionated, isolated, capsulated, etc., etc., and any "studies" that have to do with them.

What cult do you follow there?

 

[greenaccord02]

Olive Garden and Red Lobster are about 5 rungs below McDonald's on my food ladder. They're only about a half-step above hairy food in the back of the fridge from a month ago. That is some GARBAGE. At least fast food is honest about what it is. I haven't eaten at a Red Lobster in about 8 years, because the last time I was in one, EVERYTHING on my plate tasted freezer burnt and the manager tried to give me some line about how everything there was fresh and never frozen. We tried to go to an Olive Garden about two years ago, but couldn't hold a conversation over the screams of white trash children, so we left before a server came to the table.

 

[Spazdog]

Originally Posted By: TurboLuver

I like to hit White Castle for some sliders or a local chili joint after I have had a few too many adult beverages.


When I was a kid back in Savannah, GA, I used to love to go to Krystal after watching a minor league baseball game. Krystal is one of the very few fast food restaurants that I loved as a child that I can still tolerate today.
I probably could have eaten those little burgers everyday when I was 12 years old. Once every couple of months is fine now. Adult beverages help a great deal

I also loved Hardees as a kid. Ate there a few years ago...or rather tried to. It was horrible.

I also loved Shakeys Pizza. Kids will eat the worst pizza. Chuck E Cheese proves that every day.

 

[Stanley Rockafeller]

Originally Posted By: TurboLuver
Couldn't agree more about red lobster being low grade dog food!


Don't speak that negatively of dog food...it's far more benficial than anything you've eaten lately (why else do you think vets discourage pet owners from feeding human food to dogs)

 

[Shannow]

We have "fast" food maybe once per month.

Had Maccas this morning for breakfast (early morning 6:30 pick-up of a relative in Sydney, and wanted to get out of Dodge - I hate Sydney), so stopped for breaky.

Breakfast muffin and hash brown 450 cal ?

You're joking (unfortunately not)...but like I said, it's irregularly, and on the road.

Best news ever, one of our best local chefs is re-opening, so family eating out budget will go to a good guy. Chef so confident that in his last reincarnation as restauranteur, he ran cooking classes to teach his customers his signature dishes.

 

[GrtArtiste]

I'm in McD probably twice a year for breakfast-never for a burger. I can make a better burger at home. Wendy's 2-3 times a year-still tolerable, but nowhere near as good as they were years ago. Recently had fair meals at Outback & Carrabbas-nothing to write home about but not terrible either. Haven't been to RL in about 10 years-prefer the local alternatives. Taco Bell was crossed off my list 20 years ago...and Burger King 40 years ago.

 

[Scoot_4_20]

Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1

What cult do you follow there?

I'd rather not link to it.

You seemed to suggest that because of some UK study that supposedly "debunked" ACV, that the benefits of ACV we've had are imaginary or placebo.

We've studied and used ACV and other whole foods thoroughly for decades and we know it will never be "debunked". That's like saying that eating organic fruit & vegetables has been debunked, when in fact they're probably the two most healing foods there ever was and ever will be.

 

[Volvo_ST1]

Originally Posted By: Scoot_4_20
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1

What cult do you follow there?

I'd rather not link to it.

You seemed to suggest that because of some UK study that supposedly "debunked" ACV, that the benefits of ACV we've had are imaginary or placebo.

We've studied and used ACV and other whole foods thoroughly for decades and we know it will never be "debunked". That's like saying that eating organic fruit & vegetables has been debunked, when in fact they're probably the two most healing foods there ever was and ever will be.



I was not alluding to some study out of the UK. Why do you think so? My sources are manifold, and over the years I have read enough information to form my own view. I also have been using ACV all my life, so it's not like I have no firsthand experience with it.

I do not deny that ACV has health benefits, but in my opinion it is not a heal-all or heal-most or heal-anything miracle substance.

I don't subscribe to militant views lauding the potency of one of the other substance fervently. I am reluctant to consider vinegar a food, since it is fermented ethanol with other food-based components. It's more of a beverage. Comparing the healthfulness of such a product with that of fruit and vegetables in my view a faulty analogy.

We shall agree to disagree. I will keep enjoying the taste and potential health benefits of ACV, but I will not consider ACV to be the Holy Grail of healthy beverages.




PS: Any vinegar is a mild antiseptic. The ancient Greek and Egyptians used that knowledge when washing hands and treating wounds.