Hyundai wants to use RAM trucks

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This same government thinks the PT cruiser convertible and Subaru Forester are SUVs.

I liked the 1st generation dakotas (87-96) before they got all aerodynamic and bulky. Only shame was the 3'10" wheel wells so I couldn't haul sheetrock easily. The newest ones are trying to be 9/10 HEMIs and you have to step up into them. And of course forget about casually throwing stuff over the side gunwales into the bed. Will have to see about this fad of jacking up frames etc and how that effects EPA size classes (I bet it doesn't!)

Got 25 MPG from the k-car 2.5 I-4 gutless wonder motor.
 
Originally Posted By: yeti
mrsilv -- it is you , sir, that needs to check your eyeglass script. put a dakota, canyon/colorado next to a ranger.it's obvious to a higher primate that the 3 examples are not in the same size class as the ranger.as well, you could check the dimensions and wheelbases of said vehicles.
you state "... are classified as the same size as the ranger by the government". your source is your GOVERNMENT ! hahaha.you believe what your government tells you about vehicles. just like the EPA is always so accurate on mpg ratings.these people you believe.if, as you state, per the govn't rankings, that the dakota is a "standard pickup", then what is the ram -- a "super-size" standard pickup? as said earlier, all one has to do is look.you are likely one of the few u.s. citizens that believes what a govn't agency states.
no sense getting into a sparring match on this.we've already gone way off of topic. have a good day.


I'll leave the cheap shots that you resorted to out of my response. This is no place for childish comments.

Here's the facts:

The U.S. EPA classifies the Ranger, Colorado, and Canyon as 'small' pickups.

The U.S. EPA classifies the Dakota as a 'standard' pickup.

The dimensions of these pickups prove the validity of these classifications and prove that you're incorrect in your statement.

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Standard cab, 2wd models.

Wheelbase:..Ranger 111.5....Colorado 111.3 (variance .2")
Length:.....Ranger 189.4....Colorado 192.4 (variance 3")
Width:......Ranger 69.3.....Colorado 67.6 (variance 1.7")
Height:.....Ranger 66.2.....Colorado 64.9 (variance 1.3")

Dimensions are within a few inches of each other, at most. Classifying them in the same category ('small') is correct as stated.

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Now that we've established that the Ranger and the Colorado are very similar in size and are classified correctly in the same category, let's compare a "small" sized Ranger to a "standard" sized Dakota.

Extended Cab, 2wd models.

Wheelbase:..Ranger 125.7......Dakota 131.3 (variance 5.6")
Length:.....Ranger 203.6......Dakota 218.8 (variance 15.2")
Width:......Ranger 69.3.......Dakota 71.7 (variance 2.4")
Height:.....Ranger 66.3.......Dakota 68.6 (variance 2.3")

As we see, in the extended cab models, the Dakota is nearly a foot and a half longer than the Ranger, and the Dakota wheelbase is nearly a half a foot longer.

Obviously, the Dakota a larger unit which is classified differently, and correctly.

Good day, sir.
 
Originally Posted By: miraCRD
If Hyundai would come out with a cheap true compact pickup, I think it would sell like crazy because that segment has been basically abandoned by almost every automaker. Only the Ranger really remains "compact". I can't understand why the automakers grew every "small" pickup into something not so small (or light).

Oh, actually I do understand. [They thought] We wanted "supersized" EVERYTHING.

Wrong.
Yea.....I'm a "car" guy....but even I wouldn't mind driving around a compact "truck"....Nissan had some decent trucks in the early-mid 90s according to my dad, and he misses his :)
 
Just to add to the pi55ing match going on here... the EPA sizes vehicles based on their *interior* volume, not their exterior dimensions.

According to the EPA, the Prius is a midsize car, as is the Camry, and the Accord is a large car.
 
I worked for a Dodge dealer when Dakota went to mid sized, and one of the reasons they done this was to gain access to the v-8 engine. The body has to be bigger to have a v-8, so yes Dakota, Canyon these are mid sized trucks. Eye glasses checked whatever, there is a difference, and Ranger is teeter totting on a midsized truck as well. As mentioned before Izuzu p'up, Dode Ram 50 ( I think it was) chevy luv etc these are small compact pickup trucks. Instead of throwing insults around etc it would be far better to ask questions, learn, gain knowledge... Knowledge goes much further than closed minded life, and you will have much more fun !!
 
Originally Posted By: rclint
I worked for a Dodge dealer when Dakota went to mid sized, and one of the reasons they done this was to gain access to the v-8 engine. The body has to be bigger to have a v-8, so yes Dakota, Canyon these are mid sized trucks. Eye glasses checked whatever, there is a difference, and Ranger is teeter totting on a midsized truck as well. As mentioned before Izuzu p'up, Dode Ram 50 ( I think it was) chevy luv etc these are small compact pickup trucks. Instead of throwing insults around etc it would be far better to ask questions, learn, gain knowledge... Knowledge goes much further than closed minded life, and you will have much more fun !!


Hey now, you can fit a 302 in a Ranger
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OverKill ( OK) yep, and I have also seen 350's in s-10's but that is a bit different, heck some of these guys leave that there hood chained up in de tree so they can just ride around to let all that motor breath good.

A little off topic I always wished for would have made Ranger 4wd with the 4.6 L, that would have been an awesome combo. From reading they did put the 5.0 in the Explorers, I assume it's a weight issue, but I like the 4.6 better than the 5.0 even, a ranger with the 4.6 would have been the cats meow for me in 4wd
 
But the 302 is physically TINY compared to the 4.6L. And yes, they did put the 302 in the Explorer, which means it would have been VERY easy for them to put it in the Ranger. The buggers!

4.6-DOHC-vs-302W.jpg
 
It may just be semantics, but to me the Canyon/Colorado is a mid sized pickup. The S10/Sonoma was a compact pickup. I LOVE my S-10 and my company Sonoma. Both have been great trucks. I don't know what I'm going to do when they die, because I really don't like the Colorado/Canyon. I think the styling is goofy, and I hate the engines in them. Give me my old warhorse Vortec 4.3 any day!
 
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Originally Posted By: Dieselbob
It may just be semantics, but to me the Canyon/Colorado is a mid sized pickup.


Wow.... A Ranger and a Colorado have almost identical dimensions.... but some people ***still*** aren't convinced.

At least the Canuck apparently went away.
 
Originally Posted By: Dieselbob
It may just be semantics, but to me the Canyon/Colorado is a mid sized pickup. The S10/Sonoma was a compact pickup. I LOVE my S-10 and my company Sonoma. Both have been great trucks. I don't know what I'm going to do when they die, because I really don't like the Colorado/Canyon. I think the styling is goofy, and I hate the engines in them. Give me my old warhorse Vortec 4.3 any day!


agreed, the motors in those new trucks are no where near as good as the 4.3. S10 was a better looking truck imo too.
 
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/reuters/MTFH44393_2010-05-11_19-03-19_N11110345.htm

Huh.. THis might not be such a bad idea. The RAM is a very good truck, and it would help Chrysler out quite a bit. I think Marchionne needs to reconsider this possible deal.


Hyundai has no plans to market a rebadged Ram. Hyundai released the following statement:

"Hyundai Motor Co. denies that there are any current plans to bring a pickup truck of any type into the U.S. now or in the foreseeable future. Hyundai is not in discussion with Chrysler in regard to a selling a rebadged Chrysler Corp. pickup truck, or any other vehicle, in the U.S."

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/05/12/report-hyundai-puts-kibosh-on-ram-based-pickup-considers-comme/
 
mrhorsp --no pi55ing match here.one just has to step back and think about what a govn't agency says about anything.as you state -- "according to the epa, the prius is midsize car,...". an intelligent person has to give no credibility to an agency's rating system that makes such absurd/wrong statements.
overkill -- good engine pics.
mrsilv -- no, the canuck did not go away, yank.i just have a life, and did shrub pruning, watched a ball game, and had some fun -- i don't sit here waiting to respond to another's posts.i might not even see bitog for a couple of days.no big deal.
you still back up a rating system that says the prius is a midsize car ? to each his own, i guess.there's no point in discussing this further, as the epa's rating system is obviously goofy, at best. but some people will argue that a blue car is green, just to argue.again, to each his own.
as i stated yesterday -- we're off topic. if you want to discuss it further, then maybe you could start another thread.you may get some discussion.for me -- there's nothing else to say on the matter that hasn't been said. anyway, have a good day, and try to stay dry. the rain that your state is getting will be hitting us shortly.time to have a coffee, and check out the market.
remember people, if shopping for a midsize car, to include the prius.have a good day, all.
always read the sig.
 
OverKill I had no idea that the 4.6 was that much bigger engine wise !! Daddy had a 4.6 in a retired police car, I forgot how many miles it had on it however he drove it to work, and worked around 100 miles from home, all interstate. The car would get mid to upper 20's gas mileage which impressed me. That was an eye opener for me on the 4.6 verses the 5.0 engine dimensions thank you for the picture. However I do stick with my original statement that I like the 4.6 better, however I don't see it fitting into a ranger at all, still Ford could have endowed us with a 5.0 Ranger.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Hyundai really needs a truck. I was hoping something ranger sized or smaller though, to fill the void left when everything grew.

Was hoping though that they'd get that Indian truck with the diesel motor though.


I really think a small truck would be a much better approach for Hyundai. The full size truck market is pretty well covered, with a lot of well established makes and models. I think it would be a really tough market for Hyundai to compete in, especially since they wanted to just rebadge another truck. I think they would end up with something that really only appeals to people who like Hyundai and want to stick with the brand, or who get a great deal on it. I don't think it would draw in a ton of new customers.

There are lots of gaps in the market for small trucks. As others have mentioned most of them have gotten bigger, they are more expensive, engine options are very limited, and some brands are giving up on basic work trucks.

If Hyundai could build a true small pickup that had a diesel, regular cab and crew cab options, traditional body on frame construction, basic and loaded models, and much a much better design than the Mahindra, I think they would have a winner. It would draw in people whose needs are not met as well by any other trucks in the market.
 
01ranger -- good post."there are lots of gaps in the market for small trucks"."if hyundai could build a true small pickup that had a diesel,...".a true small pickup with a diesel could do well in n.america, since the only true competition is the ranger.the big 3 pretty much has the full and mid size market sewed up.the odds are pretty good that it would sell well.the hyundai suits might be thinking about this as we speak.
 
Hyundai may want to try the US Truck Market by using another companies truck first until they can design/engineer/build their own truck line. I have heard that Hyundai is the "US STEEL" of Korea. They're into everything! If it doesn't workout for Hyundai, they don't have as much money invested. Honda did this with their first SUV's...Honda used Isuzu, 2 of them. The Rodeo for the Honda line and a Trooper for the Acura SLX. Then Honda went to the drawing board for their own and came up with some great SUV's. Maybe Hyundai wants to do the same thing.
 
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Hyundai may want to try the US Truck Market by using another companies truck first until they can design/engineer/build their own truck line. I have heard that Hyundai is the "US STEEL" of Korea. They're into everything! If it doesn't workout for Hyundai, they don't have as much money invested. Honda did this with their first SUV's...Honda used Isuzu, 2 of them. The Rodeo for the Honda line and a Trooper for the Acura SLX. Then Honda went to the drawing board for their own and came up with some great SUV's. Maybe Hyundai wants to do the same thing.


Foreign made trucks are subject to a 25% tariff. Hyundai may not yet have manufacturing capacity in the USA and may just be looking for a bridge model until they do. I doubt you will ever see a Korean assembled consumer model truck sold here.
 
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I thought the new nissans were going to be rebadged RAMs?

I had heard this sometime ago as well!

The Titan doesn't sell very well and I believe it's more cost effective to rebadge a Ram for the full size Nissan trucks.
 
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