Hyundai Ioniq 5 pulls off 2022 World Car of the Year hat trick -autoblog.com

[Jack Watts]

But bicyclists etc I don’t know what to say. Most have cars probably.

I do: the vast majority of cyclists also have cars, and they do in fact "pay for the roads". And those that don't? Good for them (my wife was one of them for most of her life). The impact on the wear on roads and the impact on the use of resources is infinitesimally less when someone is on a bike vs. a car (electric, gas or otherwise). It also has the ability to lessen car traffic on the road.

While I'm sure this will now devolve into a "those cyclists" rabbit hole by some, the reality is that we should be doing everything we can to be promoting trips by bike. Everyone wins when folks substitute car trips for bike trips.

 

[Jack Watts]

Not the woman hand signaling left.
The idea was they are using the infrastructure. So is it fair? How about the blind man riding the bus for a dollar with no one else in the bus?

well, the blind man is a "taker", clearly......

 

[billt460]

... The idea was they are using the infrastructure. So is it fair? How about the blind man riding the bus for a dollar with no one else in the bus?

Electric vehicles are not bicycles. They are not comparative to old blind men riding a bus. They are nothing but expensive, limited use, upper class yuppie toys. And they will continue to remain such for years to come.

I have nothing against electric vehicles, providing they can compete on their own in the free market. It's the same with solar. If it's so wonderful the government has no business subsidising the cost, so people will put that crap all over their roofs.

If it saved so much money, they would be standing in line to buy it. It would not require to be subsidised by taxpayers.

EV's are no different. If electric cars can compete with IC vehicles, (which they cannot, and will not for decades to come), they'll survive without the government pushing them on people before they're ready for prime time, and offering financial help to pay their freight.

And gas vehicles should not be penalized or "banned", in order to force people into EV's. That's just nuts, and goes against everything the free market represents and stands for. If these things can compete they will. If not they'll go away. It's just that simple. Either way the government needs to stay the hell out of it.

And in the meantime, the government also needs to stop with the "green" nonsense, and start building new fossil fuel and nuclear power plants, which this country desperately needs regardless if EV's survive, or die on the vine.

 

[alarmguy]

I do: the vast majority of cyclists also have cars, and they do in fact "pay for the roads". And those that don't? Good for them (my wife was one of them for most of her life). The impact on the wear on roads and the impact on the use of resources is infinitesimally less when someone is on a bike vs. a car (electric, gas or otherwise). It also has the ability to lessen car traffic on the road.

While I'm sure this will now devolve into a "those cyclists" rabbit hole by some, the reality is that we should be doing everything we can to be promoting trips by bike. Everyone wins when folks substitute car trips for bike trips.

I can see this thread being shut down. It should be shut down. I can’t believe we are having a conversation about bicycles using the roadway.
I can see your frustration and reason for feeling the need to respond as I almost did earlier in the thread with the comments about bicycles using the roadways untaxed is so ridiculous I decided not to.
If I did respond it would have sounded much like your post

 

[billt460]

While I'm sure this will now devolve into a "those cyclists" rabbit hole by some, the reality is that we should be doing everything we can to be promoting trips by bike. Everyone wins when folks substitute car trips for bike trips.

I'm not interested in "winning" if I have to ride a bike to do it. I rode one when I was a kid. I'm going to be 70 in a few months, and have zero desire to go back to riding one.

 

[Jack Watts]

I can see this thread being shut down. It should be shut down. I can’t believe we are having a conversation about bicycles using the roadway.
I can see your frustration and reason for feeling the need to respond as I almost did earlier in the thread with the comments about bicycles using the roadways untaxed is so ridiculous I decided not to.
If I did respond it would have sounded much like your post

yeah, it may have to do with the fact that no one here has actually driven the Ioniq 5, and almost no one has even seen one. As a result, we're left to talk about bicycles...(maybe I'll bring pitbulls into the conversation and really get it derailed...).

Back OT, Hyundai clearly has a winner her. Again, the styling isn't my cup of tea, but based on performance and sale so far, they've hit the right notes.

As I said earlier though, the EV6 GT is the one that is really of interest to me.

In terms of form factory, I have to say the Ioniq really looks like the dreaded "W" in person: a wagon. Of course, no one buys wagons so they won't use that word, but that's what it looks like to me (and as a wagon guy, I'm on board). The other crazy thing is the drag coefficient (allegedly .288). That's really low, given the boxy looks of it.

 

[CKN]

Electric vehicles are not bicycles. They are not comparative to old blind men riding a bus. They are nothing but expensive, limited use, upper class yuppie toys. And they will continue to remain such for years to come.

I have nothing against electric vehicles, providing they can compete on their own in the free market. It's the same with solar. If it's so wonderful the government has no business subsidising the cost, so people will put that crap all over their roofs.

If it saved so much money, they would be standing in line to buy it. It would not require to be subsidised by taxpayers.

EV's are no different. If electric cars can compete with IC vehicles, (which they cannot, and will not for decades to come), they'll survive without the government pushing them on people before they're ready for prime time, and offering financial help to pay their freight.

And gas vehicles should not be penalized or "banned", in order to force people into EV's. That's just nuts, and goes against everything the free market represents and stands for. If these things can compete they will. If not they'll go away. It's just that simple. Either way the government needs to stay the hell out of it.

And in the meantime, the government also needs to stop with the "green" nonsense, and start building new fossil fuel and nuclear power plants, which this country desperately needs regardless if EV's survive, or die on the vine.

I am sure you have read on the auto blogs that both GM/Honda are committed to EVs that are affordable. Thus your statement is cynical. EVs can't compete-what a 600 mile rage is not competitive? Do we have any reason to think Mercedes technology won't filter down? You don't know where the goal post is either-that's the issue on this forum. Many have already cast negative judgment-and thus nothing is going to make them happy.

 

[Imp4]

There is no "common good" with electric cars. People have had so much smoke blown up their collective rear ends with these tinker toys, it defies logic.

If people want electric cars fine, they can pay for them.... ALL of them.

There is no "common good" if you don't want what they're selling. And it's even worse if they try to ram it down your throat. All under the pretense, "It's for the common good".

I look forward to your shortly forthcoming post about eliminating all oil and gas sector subsidies...

Until then.....

 

[billt460]

I am sure you have read on the auto blogs that both GM/Honda are committed to EVs that are affordable. Thus your statement is cynical. EVs can't compete-what a 600 mile rage is not competitive? Do we have any reason to think Mercedes technology won't filter down? You don't know where the goal post is either-that's the issue on this forum. Many have already cast negative judgment-and thus nothing is going to make them happy.

They are far too expensive for what they currently offer. A $100K electric truck that can only tow 70 to 100 miles is nothing but a high priced Jay Leno toy. That's not cynicism, but fact. You may have an argument when they can compete. But they've got a long way to go.

 

[billt460]

I look forward to your shortly forthcoming post about eliminating all oil and gas sector subsidies...

They should.

 

[CKN]

They should.

Agree- oil companies make record profits and are subsidized. Yea-think about that for a moment.

 

[billt460]

Agree- oil companies make record profits and are subsidized. Yea-think about that for a moment.

Bad behavior doesn't support more bad behavior. Getting the government involved in business rarely provides a good outcome. In most cases they make a mess. Usually an expensive one.

 

[Kiwi_ME]

More like propaganda. If you are trying to come in at a 45 degree angle, and pin this latest drought on "global warming", I'm afraid that dog has long stopped hunting..... If it ever did.

And if you think by this country going to EV's would somehow solve it, I must admit, I would love to see your map that connects those dots.

That dog has not only finished hunting but has gone back home already. Your lack of understanding doesn't change the facts.

But I'll concede that EVs won't ever fix your worsening extreme weather and droughts. That's yours to own.

 

[billt460]

But I'll concede that EVs won't ever fix your worsening extreme weather and droughts. That's yours to own.

I know New Zealand is out there where the busses don't run. But the last time I looked it's on the same planet.

 

[Spyderman24_7]

It would seem if it's 600 miles normally-what affect would cold weather have? If it's 50%-that's still 300 miles of range with a 10 to 20 minute stop to refuel. In addition-cold weather range issues will be solved eventually.
I mean everyone can "kick and scream" but they are coming.....90% fewer moving parts.....

Lots of hyped technological 'breakthroughs' come along in daily life, but none will ever be totally accepted by the masses. No kicking and screaming from me, lmao, I just take pride in driving what I've paid for and plan to keep doing so regardless of technology. I don't mind seeing the EVs rolling out as most are so **** ugly it gives me something to laugh about every day in transit!

 

[vwmaniaman]

If eventually all the problems will be solved, then why are they not using fuels cell or fusion generators. I hate to be a skeptic but I believe electric vehicles are a fad pushed by the government and big electric. I believe fossil fuels will be back when the first Carrington event in a long time happens. Just a few days ago I saw a very long Coal train leave here in Western Kentucky. That is the first one I have seen in a while.

 

[billt460]

If eventually all the problems will be solved, then why are they not using fuels cell or fusion generators. I hate to be a skeptic but I believe electric vehicles are a fad pushed by the government and big electric.

That is exactly what, and all they are.

 

[DwightFrye]

Fads, by definition are short lived and cyclical. Think leisure suits or CB radios. I wouldn't bank on EV's being a fad and the world going back to ICE vehicles in the next few years.

Also, I believe the practice of the government subsidizing products goes back to FDR and the Great Depression with agriculture products. I shudder to think how many tax dollars are redistributed to different industries but considering the power of lobbyists and campaign contributions I wouldn't bank on subsidies on anything or any industry going away soon either. It's rather short sighted to just pick on EV's.

 

[CKN]

That is exactly what, and all they are.

HM......N. Nov 10 (Reuters) - Global automakers are planning to spend more than half a trillion dollars on electric vehicles and batteries through 2030, according to a Reuters analysis, amping up investments aimed at weaning car buyers away from fossil fuels and meeting increasingly tough decarbonization targets.

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...s,and development, according to AlixPartners.

 

[billt460]

Global automakers are planning to spend more than half a trillion dollars on electric vehicles and batteries through 2030........

"Global automakers planning to spend", isn't customers planning to buy. They have to sell them. Not just make them. And that's in just 8 years. They better get moving. Especially around here. You'll find a gold nugget on the sidewalk before you see a EV in these parts.