How much over the speed limit is too much?
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Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by grampi
I'm not picking on you, or anyone else, just trying to prove a point. What is the justification for speeding?
I don't know, maybe you can tell us...
Originally Posted by grampi
I typically drive about 5 MPH over the limit
Grampi, when are you going to answer this?
Is driving 5 over not speeding?
So...........it's OK to do 5 over but not OK to do 6, 10, 15+ over? Just because that's your comfort zone doesn't mean it's everyone else's.
Like George Carlin famously said, "Anyone who drives under the speed you drive is a idiot and anyone who drives over what you drive is a maniac. I think this applies to you.........
Originally Posted by grampi
I'm not picking on you, or anyone else, just trying to prove a point. What is the justification for speeding?
I don't know, maybe you can tell us...
Originally Posted by grampi
I typically drive about 5 MPH over the limit
Grampi, when are you going to answer this?
Is driving 5 over not speeding?
So...........it's OK to do 5 over but not OK to do 6, 10, 15+ over? Just because that's your comfort zone doesn't mean it's everyone else's.
Like George Carlin famously said, "Anyone who drives under the speed you drive is a idiot and anyone who drives over what you drive is a maniac. I think this applies to you.........
Originally Posted by irv
Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by grampi
I'm not picking on you, or anyone else, just trying to prove a point. What is the justification for speeding?
I don't know, maybe you can tell us...
Originally Posted by grampi
I typically drive about 5 MPH over the limit
Grampi, when are you going to answer this?
Is driving 5 over not speeding?
So...........it's OK to do 5 over but not OK to do 6, 10, 15+ over? Just because that's your comfort zone doesn't mean it's everyone else's.
Like George Carlin famously said, "Anyone who drives under the speed you drive is a idiot and anyone who drives over what you drive is a maniac. I think this applies to you.........
I believe I explained how I drive in my OP...and I didn't say 5 over wasn't speeding, I just said I don't usually drive more than 5 over the limit...what's your confusion?
Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by grampi
I'm not picking on you, or anyone else, just trying to prove a point. What is the justification for speeding?
I don't know, maybe you can tell us...
Originally Posted by grampi
I typically drive about 5 MPH over the limit
Grampi, when are you going to answer this?
Is driving 5 over not speeding?
So...........it's OK to do 5 over but not OK to do 6, 10, 15+ over? Just because that's your comfort zone doesn't mean it's everyone else's.
Like George Carlin famously said, "Anyone who drives under the speed you drive is a idiot and anyone who drives over what you drive is a maniac. I think this applies to you.........
I believe I explained how I drive in my OP...and I didn't say 5 over wasn't speeding, I just said I don't usually drive more than 5 over the limit...what's your confusion?
Originally Posted by grampi
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I believe I explained how I drive in my OP...and I didn't say 5 over wasn't speeding, I just said I don't usually drive more than 5 over the limit...what's your confusion?
OK, now you can justify why you drive over the speed limit...just like you asked others to justify.
So what's your justification for speeding grampi ?
And why are those who drive faster wrong ?
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I believe I explained how I drive in my OP...and I didn't say 5 over wasn't speeding, I just said I don't usually drive more than 5 over the limit...what's your confusion?
OK, now you can justify why you drive over the speed limit...just like you asked others to justify.
So what's your justification for speeding grampi ?
And why are those who drive faster wrong ?
Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by irv
Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by grampi
I'm not picking on you, or anyone else, just trying to prove a point. What is the justification for speeding?
I don't know, maybe you can tell us...
Originally Posted by grampi
I typically drive about 5 MPH over the limit
Grampi, when are you going to answer this?
Is driving 5 over not speeding?
So...........it's OK to do 5 over but not OK to do 6, 10, 15+ over? Just because that's your comfort zone doesn't mean it's everyone else's.
Like George Carlin famously said, "Anyone who drives under the speed you drive is a idiot and anyone who drives over what you drive is a maniac. I think this applies to you.........
I believe I explained how I drive in my OP...and I didn't say 5 over wasn't speeding, I just said I don't usually drive more than 5 over the limit...what's your confusion?
My confusion is, based on your replies, that anyone who drives faster than you is a maniac but yet it's acceptable for you to exceed the speed limit because it's only 5 over, which is your comfort zone.
You think, like I noted, everyone else should follow your lead because in your mind, you're already pushing the speeding envelope.
Originally Posted by irv
Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by grampi
I'm not picking on you, or anyone else, just trying to prove a point. What is the justification for speeding?
I don't know, maybe you can tell us...
Originally Posted by grampi
I typically drive about 5 MPH over the limit
Grampi, when are you going to answer this?
Is driving 5 over not speeding?
So...........it's OK to do 5 over but not OK to do 6, 10, 15+ over? Just because that's your comfort zone doesn't mean it's everyone else's.
Like George Carlin famously said, "Anyone who drives under the speed you drive is a idiot and anyone who drives over what you drive is a maniac. I think this applies to you.........
I believe I explained how I drive in my OP...and I didn't say 5 over wasn't speeding, I just said I don't usually drive more than 5 over the limit...what's your confusion?
My confusion is, based on your replies, that anyone who drives faster than you is a maniac but yet it's acceptable for you to exceed the speed limit because it's only 5 over, which is your comfort zone.
You think, like I noted, everyone else should follow your lead because in your mind, you're already pushing the speeding envelope.
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Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by grampi
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I believe I explained how I drive in my OP...and I didn't say 5 over wasn't speeding, I just said I don't usually drive more than 5 over the limit...what's your confusion?
OK, now you can justify why you drive over the speed limit...just like you asked others to justify.
So what's your justification for speeding grampi ?
And why are those who drive faster wrong ?
I drive the speed I drive to blend in with traffic flow. Those who drive faster than traffic flow are more dangerous. It isn't rocket science...and I know you like to argue with everything I post and I knew you'd be laying into me at some point in this thread...
Originally Posted by grampi
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I believe I explained how I drive in my OP...and I didn't say 5 over wasn't speeding, I just said I don't usually drive more than 5 over the limit...what's your confusion?
OK, now you can justify why you drive over the speed limit...just like you asked others to justify.
So what's your justification for speeding grampi ?
And why are those who drive faster wrong ?
I drive the speed I drive to blend in with traffic flow. Those who drive faster than traffic flow are more dangerous. It isn't rocket science...and I know you like to argue with everything I post and I knew you'd be laying into me at some point in this thread...
Originally Posted by irv
My confusion is, based on your replies, that anyone who drives faster than you is a maniac but yet it's acceptable for you to exceed the speed limit because it's only 5 over, which is your comfort zone.
You think, like I noted, everyone else should follow your lead because in your mind, you're already pushing the speeding envelope.
I don't recall calling anyone a maniac, I just don't think our roads should be a free-for-all when it comes to speed limits. Like I said, I think 5-10 over is reasonable, faster than that is too fast. What is it about this statement you have a problem with? Do you think everyone should be able to drive as fast as they want?
My confusion is, based on your replies, that anyone who drives faster than you is a maniac but yet it's acceptable for you to exceed the speed limit because it's only 5 over, which is your comfort zone.
You think, like I noted, everyone else should follow your lead because in your mind, you're already pushing the speeding envelope.
I don't recall calling anyone a maniac, I just don't think our roads should be a free-for-all when it comes to speed limits. Like I said, I think 5-10 over is reasonable, faster than that is too fast. What is it about this statement you have a problem with? Do you think everyone should be able to drive as fast as they want?
You've been ranting about your safe driving over the limit in the wrong lane while getting tail gated by maniacs for a decade.
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Originally Posted by Shannow
You've been ranting about your safe driving over the limit in the wrong lane while getting tail gated by maniacs for a decade.
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In the wrong lane? You're hilarious! You are an anti-common sense person...
You've been ranting about your safe driving over the limit in the wrong lane while getting tail gated by maniacs for a decade.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...-tailgaters-get-this-product#Post1278177
In the wrong lane? You're hilarious! You are an anti-common sense person...
Originally Posted by Shannow
You've been ranting about your safe driving over the limit in the wrong lane while getting tailgated by maniacs for a decade.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...-tailgaters-get-this-product#Post1278177
This ^^
It is quite clear to me, and likely most everyone else as well, that Grampi likely encounters roadraged drivers, gets flipped the bird or honked at quite consistently.
Despite those incidents and what he is told here, in his mind, he still doesn't accept that fact, but because this likely happens quite often to him, he posts over and over again trying to convince others that it is not his fault, but all of our's.
You've been ranting about your safe driving over the limit in the wrong lane while getting tailgated by maniacs for a decade.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...-tailgaters-get-this-product#Post1278177
This ^^
It is quite clear to me, and likely most everyone else as well, that Grampi likely encounters roadraged drivers, gets flipped the bird or honked at quite consistently.
Despite those incidents and what he is told here, in his mind, he still doesn't accept that fact, but because this likely happens quite often to him, he posts over and over again trying to convince others that it is not his fault, but all of our's.
Originally Posted by irv
Originally Posted by Shannow
You've been ranting about your safe driving over the limit in the wrong lane while getting tailgated by maniacs for a decade.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...-tailgaters-get-this-product#Post1278177
This ^^
It is quite clear to me, and likely most everyone else as well, that Grampi likely encounters roadraged drivers, gets flipped the bird or honked at quite consistently.
Despite those incidents and what he is told here, in his mind, he still doesn't accept that fact, but because this likely happens quite often to him, he posts over and over again trying to convince others that it is not his fault, but all of our's.
I never get honked at. I stay out of the left lane unless I'm passing, but that doesn't stop the idiots who are driving 20+ MPH over the limit...what fault am I at? You sound like one of the people who drive 20+ and think it's the people who drive closer to the limit who are the problem...
Originally Posted by Shannow
You've been ranting about your safe driving over the limit in the wrong lane while getting tailgated by maniacs for a decade.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...-tailgaters-get-this-product#Post1278177
This ^^
It is quite clear to me, and likely most everyone else as well, that Grampi likely encounters roadraged drivers, gets flipped the bird or honked at quite consistently.
Despite those incidents and what he is told here, in his mind, he still doesn't accept that fact, but because this likely happens quite often to him, he posts over and over again trying to convince others that it is not his fault, but all of our's.
I never get honked at. I stay out of the left lane unless I'm passing, but that doesn't stop the idiots who are driving 20+ MPH over the limit...what fault am I at? You sound like one of the people who drive 20+ and think it's the people who drive closer to the limit who are the problem...
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Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by StevieC
If speed truly killed by itself and not following too closely, driving recklessly, weaving in/out, cutting people off, or where weather didn't permit then we would see far more accidents then we do. Speed by itself doesn't kill!
When have you ever seen drivers doing any of these things without speeding?
Yesterday. There was an elderly woman weaving, cutting people off, and doing 20km/h under the speed limit. This wasn't because she was driving aggressively, it was likely because she shouldn't be driving. We have a lot of those folks here, where they'll look right at you, but despite doing so, have absolutely zero perception of your rate of approach and invariably cut you off and then drive 10-20 under the limit.
Originally Posted by StevieC
If speed truly killed by itself and not following too closely, driving recklessly, weaving in/out, cutting people off, or where weather didn't permit then we would see far more accidents then we do. Speed by itself doesn't kill!
When have you ever seen drivers doing any of these things without speeding?
Yesterday. There was an elderly woman weaving, cutting people off, and doing 20km/h under the speed limit. This wasn't because she was driving aggressively, it was likely because she shouldn't be driving. We have a lot of those folks here, where they'll look right at you, but despite doing so, have absolutely zero perception of your rate of approach and invariably cut you off and then drive 10-20 under the limit.
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Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by StevieC
If speed truly killed by itself and not following too closely, driving recklessly, weaving in/out, cutting people off, or where weather didn't permit then we would see far more accidents then we do. Speed by itself doesn't kill!
When have you ever seen drivers doing any of these things without speeding?
Yesterday. There was an elderly woman weaving, cutting people off, and doing 20km/h under the speed limit. This wasn't because she was driving aggressively, it was likely because she shouldn't be driving. We have a lot of those folks here, where they'll look right at you, but despite doing so, have absolutely zero perception of your rate of approach and invariably cut you off and then drive 10-20 under the limit.
I do if somebody is camping out in the left lane or keeps trying to match the speed of the car next to them and won't let anybody else pass - but normally it's within "acceptable limits" since my 1L 3 cyl car doesn't do fast.
Also, everybody that doesn't look at their blindspot/
Also, every taxi driver in Chicago. Actually, all drivers in chicago.
Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by StevieC
If speed truly killed by itself and not following too closely, driving recklessly, weaving in/out, cutting people off, or where weather didn't permit then we would see far more accidents then we do. Speed by itself doesn't kill!
When have you ever seen drivers doing any of these things without speeding?
Yesterday. There was an elderly woman weaving, cutting people off, and doing 20km/h under the speed limit. This wasn't because she was driving aggressively, it was likely because she shouldn't be driving. We have a lot of those folks here, where they'll look right at you, but despite doing so, have absolutely zero perception of your rate of approach and invariably cut you off and then drive 10-20 under the limit.
I do if somebody is camping out in the left lane or keeps trying to match the speed of the car next to them and won't let anybody else pass - but normally it's within "acceptable limits" since my 1L 3 cyl car doesn't do fast.
Also, everybody that doesn't look at their blindspot/
Also, every taxi driver in Chicago. Actually, all drivers in chicago.
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Originally Posted by grampi
Originally Posted by irv
Originally Posted by Shannow
You've been ranting about your safe driving over the limit in the wrong lane while getting tailgated by maniacs for a decade.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...-tailgaters-get-this-product#Post1278177
This ^^
It is quite clear to me, and likely most everyone else as well, that Grampi likely encounters roadraged drivers, gets flipped the bird or honked at quite consistently.
Despite those incidents and what he is told here, in his mind, he still doesn't accept that fact, but because this likely happens quite often to him, he posts over and over again trying to convince others that it is not his fault, but all of our's.
I never get honked at. I stay out of the left lane unless I'm passing, but that doesn't stop the idiots who are driving 20+ MPH over the limit...what fault am I at? You sound like one of the people who drive 20+ and think it's the people who drive closer to the limit who are the problem...
Grampi, because you say you only go 5 over the speed limit, when you are passing someone, do you ever exceed your self imposed limit of 5 mph when doing so?
For example, say the road/hwy you are on has a speed limit of 60 mph. When passing someone who say is doing 63, do you pass that vehicle only doing 65 or do you pass them at a little more faster pace than that, especially if someone is right behind you also wanting to pass?
Personally, since you asked, I usually cap my speed at around 20 over on a hwy. Despite that, I am likely viewed by you as being a maniac or an unlawful abiding idiot that should be arrested, but I still get passed by people and I have no qualms about that. That is their business/choice, which doesn't affect me at all.
If I am passing someone and someone is behind me also looking to pass, I will pick up the pace (if safe to do so) if I am passing that vehicle rather slowly. Never in my life have I ever considered getting a sign to hang off of my rear deck/bumper to tell the people behind me to back off.
Originally Posted by irv
Originally Posted by Shannow
You've been ranting about your safe driving over the limit in the wrong lane while getting tailgated by maniacs for a decade.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...-tailgaters-get-this-product#Post1278177
This ^^
It is quite clear to me, and likely most everyone else as well, that Grampi likely encounters roadraged drivers, gets flipped the bird or honked at quite consistently.
Despite those incidents and what he is told here, in his mind, he still doesn't accept that fact, but because this likely happens quite often to him, he posts over and over again trying to convince others that it is not his fault, but all of our's.
I never get honked at. I stay out of the left lane unless I'm passing, but that doesn't stop the idiots who are driving 20+ MPH over the limit...what fault am I at? You sound like one of the people who drive 20+ and think it's the people who drive closer to the limit who are the problem...
Grampi, because you say you only go 5 over the speed limit, when you are passing someone, do you ever exceed your self imposed limit of 5 mph when doing so?
For example, say the road/hwy you are on has a speed limit of 60 mph. When passing someone who say is doing 63, do you pass that vehicle only doing 65 or do you pass them at a little more faster pace than that, especially if someone is right behind you also wanting to pass?
Personally, since you asked, I usually cap my speed at around 20 over on a hwy. Despite that, I am likely viewed by you as being a maniac or an unlawful abiding idiot that should be arrested, but I still get passed by people and I have no qualms about that. That is their business/choice, which doesn't affect me at all.
If I am passing someone and someone is behind me also looking to pass, I will pick up the pace (if safe to do so) if I am passing that vehicle rather slowly. Never in my life have I ever considered getting a sign to hang off of my rear deck/bumper to tell the people behind me to back off.
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Originally Posted by StevieC
As for sitting in traffic, that is created by idiots that are too afraid to go over the limit because they think that speed itself causes accidents when it's anything but the speed itself. It's the skill level and the conditions not warranting the speed. How are they ever going to learn to operate a vehicle at a higher rate of speed without proper education and the chance to actually go faster if we keep telling them that the speed itself is the cause of accidents and not other factors or other factors combined with the speed that I mentioned.
Sitting in traffic means going the speed limit in Ontario, and you're complaining LOL. Around here it means stop and go traffic on the freeway ... for hours.
Similar freeways in California and Montana have 65mph vs 80mph limits - must be the harsh weather here.
But the main problem isn't the speed limit, it is the fact that they give out driving licenses to every moron under the sun.
As for sitting in traffic, that is created by idiots that are too afraid to go over the limit because they think that speed itself causes accidents when it's anything but the speed itself. It's the skill level and the conditions not warranting the speed. How are they ever going to learn to operate a vehicle at a higher rate of speed without proper education and the chance to actually go faster if we keep telling them that the speed itself is the cause of accidents and not other factors or other factors combined with the speed that I mentioned.
Sitting in traffic means going the speed limit in Ontario, and you're complaining LOL. Around here it means stop and go traffic on the freeway ... for hours.
Similar freeways in California and Montana have 65mph vs 80mph limits - must be the harsh weather here.
But the main problem isn't the speed limit, it is the fact that they give out driving licenses to every moron under the sun.
Originally Posted by zorobabel
But the main problem isn't the speed limit, it is the fact that they give out driving licenses to every moron under the sun.
You nailed it. All the talk of a drivers license being a privilege and not a right is a crock- the only thing you need to get and keep a license in the US is the ability to fog a mirror.
But the main problem isn't the speed limit, it is the fact that they give out driving licenses to every moron under the sun.
You nailed it. All the talk of a drivers license being a privilege and not a right is a crock- the only thing you need to get and keep a license in the US is the ability to fog a mirror.
Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by zorobabel
But the main problem isn't the speed limit, it is the fact that they give out driving licenses to every moron under the sun.
You nailed it. All the talk of a drivers license being a privilege and not a right is a crock- the only thing you need to get and keep a license in the US is the ability to fog a mirror.
This is true.
Originally Posted by zorobabel
But the main problem isn't the speed limit, it is the fact that they give out driving licenses to every moron under the sun.
You nailed it. All the talk of a drivers license being a privilege and not a right is a crock- the only thing you need to get and keep a license in the US is the ability to fog a mirror.
This is true.
Originally Posted by zorobabel
Originally Posted by StevieC
As for sitting in traffic, that is created by idiots that are too afraid to go over the limit because they think that speed itself causes accidents when it's anything but the speed itself. It's the skill level and the conditions not warranting the speed. How are they ever going to learn to operate a vehicle at a higher rate of speed without proper education and the chance to actually go faster if we keep telling them that the speed itself is the cause of accidents and not other factors or other factors combined with the speed that I mentioned.
Sitting in traffic means going the speed limit in Ontario, and you're complaining LOL. Around here it means stop and go traffic on the freeway ... for hours.
Similar freeways in California and Montana have 65mph vs 80mph limits - must be the harsh weather here.
But the main problem isn't the speed limit, it is the fact that they give out driving licenses to every moron under the sun.
You clearly don't know Toronto and surrounding area traffic. We have 2 rush-hours. All day and all night on the 401.
Originally Posted by StevieC
As for sitting in traffic, that is created by idiots that are too afraid to go over the limit because they think that speed itself causes accidents when it's anything but the speed itself. It's the skill level and the conditions not warranting the speed. How are they ever going to learn to operate a vehicle at a higher rate of speed without proper education and the chance to actually go faster if we keep telling them that the speed itself is the cause of accidents and not other factors or other factors combined with the speed that I mentioned.
Sitting in traffic means going the speed limit in Ontario, and you're complaining LOL. Around here it means stop and go traffic on the freeway ... for hours.
Similar freeways in California and Montana have 65mph vs 80mph limits - must be the harsh weather here.
But the main problem isn't the speed limit, it is the fact that they give out driving licenses to every moron under the sun.
You clearly don't know Toronto and surrounding area traffic. We have 2 rush-hours. All day and all night on the 401.
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Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by zorobabel
But the main problem isn't the speed limit, it is the fact that they give out driving licenses to every moron under the sun.
You nailed it. All the talk of a drivers license being a privilege and not a right is a crock- the only thing you need to get and keep a license in the US is the ability to fog a mirror.
This is true.
Which is why accidents happen. Not because of speed by itself. It's the idiots.
Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by zorobabel
But the main problem isn't the speed limit, it is the fact that they give out driving licenses to every moron under the sun.
You nailed it. All the talk of a drivers license being a privilege and not a right is a crock- the only thing you need to get and keep a license in the US is the ability to fog a mirror.
This is true.
Which is why accidents happen. Not because of speed by itself. It's the idiots.
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