has Mobil 1 gotten better?

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I have read a few posts where people bad mouth Mobil 1, and others love it. Has it gotten better??

I used it a few times in my new truck in 2001. It seemed to work as claimed. But in 2002 Mobil must have changed the formula with the Tri-Synthetic (Try to be Synthetic???). When I did an oil change with the "NEW" formula, I noticed that ALL 6 of the quart bottles had dark sediment on the bottom. I cut the bottles open and the sediment looked like parafin. It didn't feel like grit. I could rub it between my fingers tips and it would turn them dark brown/black. I contacted Mobil 1 a few times to ask what the sediment was from, but they never got back to me. I was 100% sure that synthetic oil could NOT have sediment in the bottle. After about 1,000 miles and never getting a responce from Mobil, I decided to drain the M1 Try-2B-Synthetic and ran another brand (Syntec). I have not used Mobil 1 since that time.

I later read where Mobil and Castrol were sueing each other (or filed a complaint with the FTC) because neither one was a real synthetic, so I stopped using Syntec also. Now I'm using another fake synthetic Q-*
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I think that the new "silver cap" vs the old red cap may not be. Less add package and from what I have heard is it is mostly from group III stock. Which wouldnt be a "true syn".
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depending on age some/most PCMO's will have some additive fall out mostly detergents not grit somewhat normal depending on age and storage temps.
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I have read a few posts where people bad mouth Mobil 1, and others love it. Has it gotten better??

This my experience using the 5w-30 synthetics.
Depends on the rig. Some cars love it and some eat it up like my 2006 and 2007 Honda Si. It cleaned great but my car would consume about a quart every 2K. For the Honda Vavoline worked well and consumed less Havoline was the best of all 1/2 quart every 5K. Mobil EP consumed more then the regular Mobil 1 Synthetic. The oil is good and from what I can see cleans excellent nice and amber after 4-5K. If you don't mind adding oil it's good stuff.
Best to look up the VOA and UOA and go from there.
 
Bear in mind that manufactures change things in formulations and past experience can be a poor predictor but at times it's all you have.

Be careful not to paint the whole line-up as good or bad.

I'm not a M1 fan historically due to price/performance in my applications.

BUT, I have found some specific products to appear outstanding in spec form. M1 "0W40 European Formula" is the best example (Porsche, BMW-LL, VW 503.01, MB 229.3/.5/AMG). Basically they help develop the spec's with mfg's. Another is M1 10W30 High Mileage, one of the very few ACEA A3 rated oils. BUT move over to 10W40, nope not A3 rated.

There are probably other examples. You would need to know IF these factors are important in your application. BMW and VW owners seem to know.

Aside from very specific ones, I think there are better cost/performance, the trick is finding them. This applies to all manufactures.
 
M1 is the standard by which all other synthetics are judged. Has a dominant market position and has offered the product for many years. It performs as advertised. High end vehicle manufacturers certainly have placed their confidence in it with factory fill. My Corvette even has the M1 logo right on the filler cap. It's used by all types of race cars, right off the shelf. They are the price setter for the class as well. You can use it in total confidence. Or there's always SuperTech !
 
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M1 is the standard by which all other synthetics are judged. Has a dominant market position and has offered the product for many years. It performs as advertised. High end vehicle manufacturers certainly have placed their confidence in it with factory fill. My Corvette even has the M1 logo right on the filler cap. It's used by all types of race cars, right off the shelf. They are the price setter for the class as well. You can use it in total confidence.

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Kook-aid anyone?
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Why do you say that G-Man? Every single sentence he made seems reasonable to me.

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Really? Let's see:

M1 is the standard by which all other synthetics are judged.

Based on what? This is nonsense.

Has a dominant market position and has offered the product for many years.

True. So what?

It performs as advertised.

Huh?

High end vehicle manufacturers certainly have placed their confidence in it with factory fill.

Typically, factory fill contracts go to the lowest bidder. It's a bottom line issue. The only confidence a manufacturer has is that the oil will get the engine to its first oil change without causing any abnormal wear. Period. In the case of a specific brand being advertised as the factory fill, ExxonMobil paid for that advertising.

My Corvette even has the M1 logo right on the filler cap.

See my statement above.

It's used by all types of race cars, right off the shelf.

Baloney.

They are the price setter for the class as well.

Not really. Castrol Syntec is usually higher than Mobil 1 at my local retailers. And Pennzoil Platinum, Quaker State Q, and Valvoline Synpower are all cheaper.

You can use it in total confidence.

Of course you can--provided you don't expect more from the oil than it's capable of giving.
 
There are plenty of rival brand UOAs at this place that have outperformed M-1 in wear rates - where shown in individual - but consecutive UOAs using multiple brand name oils.
 
[quoteHigh end vehicle manufacturers certainly have placed their confidence in it with factory fill.

Typically, factory fill contracts go to the lowest bidder. It's a bottom line issue. The only confidence a manufacturer has is that the oil will get the engine to its first oil change without causing any abnormal wear. Period. In the case of a specific brand being advertised as the factory fill, ExxonMobil paid for that advertising.

My Corvette even has the M1 logo right on the filler cap.

See my statement above.





That's my reasoning as well. It's good oil, don't get me wrong. I just think there's too much hype around M1. The reason why Corvette uses it is because M1 paid for that to happen and you know ---- well that they've made millions by selling the Corvette angle.

It's just like Glock. There are so many more guns better. But why do LE agencies use it? Because of the bottom line. I don't use Mobil 1 anymore. I wouldn't be afraid to use it, though. But with other oils out there being at the very least equivalent to Mobil 1 quality and costing less, why should I still use Mobil 1?
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Mobil 1, in case you haven't heard, is now primarily a group III hydrocracked oil.

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Will you provide us with irrefuteable evidence that the statement you just made is true. Not what some said online somewhere but actual test results that show it is a group3 product. I'm not saying your statement is true or false but with real proof you could right here and now end pointless debates about M1. Please sir, I honestly want to know. I don't use their oils but many here do and i'm sure they too would want to know as well.
So, end the confusion with your evidence.
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I have read a few posts where people bad mouth Mobil 1, and others love it. Has it gotten better??

This my experience using the 5w-30 synthetics.
Depends on the rig. Some cars love it and some eat it up like my 2006 and 2007 Honda Si. It cleaned great but my car would consume about a quart every 2K. For the Honda Vavoline worked well and consumed less Havoline was the best of all 1/2 quart every 5K. Mobil EP consumed more then the regular Mobil 1 Synthetic. The oil is good and from what I can see cleans excellent nice and amber after 4-5K. If you don't mind adding oil it's good stuff.
Best to look up the VOA and UOA and go from there.

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I am using the 5w-20 M1 and I can tell you I have had no usage so far. I just came off an OCI with PP and that oil consumed right away (which I don not know is due to the cleaning or not) but so far, the oil has been rock solid and a real performer. Now I haven't done a UOA on neither but I like Mobil a lot for its revving properties and sadly I like it for that, more then PP and by a slight margin MC. I would say M1 is the best oil I have used for my rig anyway, so far. On the same token, I like the Mobil Driveclean 5k and 75k which is what I used to break in my car with for the first 21,500 miles of it life before I went with MC, PP and now the M1... the beat goes on but M1 has made enough of an impression in my sled and is as an oil in my Top 3, to say the least, along with MC and PP.
 
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