Front loading washing machines

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Most modern front loaders are not meant to be worked on by anyone besides a trained repairman with special tools.

On the Neptune if the door latch fails to hook up, a circuit board that also controls draining, is destroyed. Bearings and drive assemblies are expensive and take a lot of time to replace. There are circuit boards that cannot be repaired and are very expensive. The machine comes apart like a mouse trap and is a pain to put back together.

I purchased a Staber because it is designed to be repaired with no special tools. Everything is easy to get at through the front. Jobs that take hours on the Neptune take very little time on the Staber. It has bearings on both sides of the drum instead of having the whole drum hanging out in space, supported on one end, against a fragile door seal on the other end. All parts in and around the drum are stainless steel, were the washing is done. The water pump is self purging and is easy to replace, requiring only basic hand tools, through the front cover without removing anything else to get to it. And the spin dry works much better than the Neptune, cutting drying time in half. The long term ownership of a Neptune is very expensive and I can't imagine it going to 5 years without help.

I purchased a Staber after seeing the machine in an extended day car facility where it was doing ten to twelve loads a day, with hot water and lots of bleach, seven days a week and at five years had, as the only service, the replacement of the drive belt, which the laundry guy did himself. That kind of use would have killed the Neptune I owned in less than a year.

The Staber cleans better, uses less water, cheaper soap and I can do any repair myself. I like all the stainless steel parts and the plastic top cover, too. Sometimes simple, better parts and better made is just plain better.

The Maytag repairman in the TV ad that is always sitting around is retired. He made his fortune with the Maytag billing rate and Neptune washing machines.
 
LarryL: I visited the Staber site and they look interesting. Where do you find these as I've never heard of them? I'm interested in a front loader, maybe next year.
 
I researched this for a while and finally got an LG this past summer. Would prefer an old time US brand but the reliability horror stories scared me away.
Searched around and ended up paying $950 for what started out at $1150.
We are completely happy with it. Uses a fraction of the water - the drain hose is even much smaller diameter.
I was concerned about the electronic controls so I put an APC surge protector on the circuit.
They claim it is more gentle on the clothes - apparently so - we get less than 1/2 the lint on the dryer screen since switching to this washer.
The spin speed is 1100 RPM so the dryer has less to do.

What I would really like to see are the yellow energy tags on gas and electric dryers. I have read the manufacturers have the data but since the government does not mandate it, they do not put this info out.
 
drm7, you usually have to order it directly from them and they ship it directly to you. There might be a dealer near you but probably not. Ask Staber. They don't have a mass marketing scheme like the big guys. When you buy their machine you are not paying for all that marketing and distribution. I had my machine shipped to a nearby depot and picked it up with my 4Runner. That was cheaper than shipping it directly to my house. The guys at the depot helped me load it and I unloaded it myself, no problem. The installation consisted of hooking up hoses and leveling the machine (very important) grounding it and plugging it the power plug.

I've had the machine for a year now, and would buy it again. The dryer has half the work because of the the clothes arrive dryer. There is much less lint, too.

One warning, though. If you use too much soap for whatever reason, suds will go all over the place. I use just under an ounce per full load of regular soap, not the expensive HE soap required by the Neptune. When you first wash clothes that have been previously washed in the Neptune you may not need any soap at all, because the Neptune leaves soap behind in the clothes and the Staber will reactivate it when it washes. It leaves virtually no soap residue in the clothes, so just be careful to use maybe a quarter of an ounce, first time around. With fluffy towels, large sheets and bulky items you might want to wash them first in warm water with no soap and then again with one ounce of soap. That way you'll get rid of all the residue left by the Neptune. I had to do this with some large quilts and all the towels.

Finally if you want an American made machine it may be your only choice. The others come from places like Germany, Mexico and China. The Staber is built like a tank, and for me that's what I want. I don't want a fragile flower lining the pockets of some big corporation.


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Around here, a 100 oz container of HE liquid detergent costs the same as a 100 oz. container of the same brand non-HE liquid detergent.

And you can get the stuff in powder form from Sears at a reasonable price.
 
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Originally posted by Chimay:
I just bought 200 oz. of the HE for 9.99 with a $1.00 dollar off coupon.

I use Purex detergent. One of my clients makes Sodium Laurel Sulphate, which is the base ingredient in all liquid detergents and some shampoos too. I learned from them that the difference between detergents is mostly perfumes and dyes.

If I wait for sales, I can get 100 oz containers of Purex HE for as little as $2.99 in the Shaw's supermarket chain here in New England.
 
When the front loading washers first started becoming popular here, they advertised that you use half the normal amount that you would have used in a top loader.

I think the detergent companies started fearing that their detergent sales could drop rapidly if these machines caught on. So they developed the new HE detergent to help offset those potential losses. I don't buy the HE detergent. I just use less of the regular detergent.

I am not crying conspiracy or anything. If I owned a detergent company I would get worried about reduced sales volume too.
 
My front loader (Maytag)has worked fine but we have the mildew or mold or both. I have tried to clean it off but haven't been able to.
 
This usually occurs with "empty nesters" ..where the washing frequecy is fairly low. Ours sees at least 3 loads a day ..one of them with bleach. No mold .. maybe an occasional cleaning of the gasket/door area for "build up".
 
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Originally posted by Gary Allan:
This usually occurs with "empty nesters" ..where the washing frequecy is fairly low. Ours sees at least 3 loads a day ..one of them with bleach. No mold .. maybe an occasional cleaning of the gasket/door area for "build up".

Gary, That fits the bill here its just me and my wife.
 
We have a five year old Neptune and because Maytag *lost our mailing address* we missed the court action. Fortunately - I was able to repair the darn thing myself (twice) otherwise it would have cost much more...still it was over 200 bucks!

Run as fast as you can AWAY from "The Dependability People"!

My 2 cents,
 
After reading these posts, and needing a new washer myself..(my old Maytag is finally giving up after 30 years!)..I called the people at Staber. Great people! I was traveling on business and was very near the factory in Columbus Ohio when I called. They stayed open after 5:00 PM just to see me and show me the machine and the factory. I bought the washer on the spot and they loaded it in my truck...also gave me a $100.00 discount for picking it up! I'll let everyone know how it works out, but so far everything posted here is absolutely true.. the lady at the front desk has made all the repairs in the last 6 years to her own washer herself! (Small items and preventive maintenance, no failures) No special tools required!
 
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Originally posted by williar:
Why are the front loaders so much more expensive than the top loaders? The basic technology has been around for 50 years; my parents had a 1955 Bendix brand that washed & dried in the same machine. What's new?

My parents had Bendix front load washing machine in 1946.
 
sprint,
The front loaders that I've had association with have been maintenace bears, requiring many many new parts, and replaced at more regular intervals than the average top loader.

I wonder how much better they are in the long term, but don't have the data.

The most enviro friendly washer that I've used was a twin tub.

Wash two, three or four loads of clothes, rinse them, then spin them.
 
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LarryL: I visited the Staber site and they look interesting. Where do you find these as I've never heard of them? I'm interested in a front loader, maybe next year.

I stopped by the Staber plant the other day, it is just off rt 33 south of Columbus Ohio. Great people! They stayed open for me and gave me $100.00 off the price of the machine for taking it with me. (Delivery by them is included in the price generally) The machine works very well, is built like a tank, you can add stuff to the load at ANY time during the cycle, it's also fairly quiet but I would not install it next to a bedroom where anyone was trying to sleep. VERY satisfied overall.
 
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