Is that a two port or single port adapter?
Ford tractor 8N oil canister converted to TP filter
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OK? you must be bored or something man.
You shouldnt need a center tube with the great Value 1000 from Walmart or the scott 1000. I did my flathead Ford V8 canister filter for the Ford Diesel tractor a simpler way. It is 4 1/2 inch I D. Took a 4 1/2 inch roll of Scott 1000. I wanted it to drain completely so I bypassed the Ford orifice in the center tube. Put a pipe plug in the outlet. Put a new outlet next to the origional using a self tapping hollow bolt. Cut the thread end of a full flow filter off and drilled and debured some extra holes in it. That is what the tp pushes down against. May need to drop in a spacer to put the top of the tp near the top of the canister. For the top you will need a washer to bridge the space between the tp core and the Ford center tube. John Frantz used a piece of 1 1/2 inch exhaust pipe welded to the washer. All he had was soft paper. We have firm paper. He sealed the washer with a seal and washer. Put a 1/16 inch orifice at the inlet. The important thing is making the oil go down thru the tp thru the perforated plate and out the botton.
I put a tubeless tire valve in the lid of the Ford.canister. its mounted low on the tractor. Use a cigarette lighter pump with a gauge. The pressure comes up a little. When the pressure drops its ready to change. Best to do when the filter is hot. A Slime valve from Auto Zone with the nut. The Australian Jackmaster Classic is mounted high. It has a air tank valve that I open when the filter is still hot. Leave the hood up so I wont start it with the valve open.
Some of.you guys need a lot of help
I think at one time I used it as a two port adapter. It had about a 1/8 hole between the in and out ports with fittings in the 3/8 inch ports. I removed the 1/8 inch plug and drilled out the 1/8 inch orifice. Put the plug back in. Dont remember what I had it on but it had a build up of dirt. To do that you need a gauge. I remember the Frantz 2 ports that eliminated the full flow filters looked the same as your adapter. Had a return port off to the side. Its a matter of creating a pressure difference. John Frantz was as crazy as I am.
Probably true.Anyone who keeps quoting himself all the time for 5 pages in one thread might need help.
Debris going around and around in the engines ?Anyone who keeps quoting himself all the time for 5 pages in one thread might need help.
Yes it does if it's not filtered. If you can't grasp that concept then don't know what your filtering logic is. What do you think is going on when only 10% of the oil going through the engine is filtered at a time by just using a bypass filter without also a full flow filter? Where do you think anything that doesn't happen to go through the bypass filter goes? And anything that's not filtered if large in size can get smashed up into smaller particles if left unfiltered, and then those particles go "round-and-round" unfiltered through the engine. Running only a bypass filter without a full flow filter is not ideal and leaves room for unfiltered oil to go through the oiling system ... any maker of modern day bypass oil filtering systems will say that. 70 years ago, they thought it was a "good idea", but not these days even if you think engines are "cleaner" and don't need a full flow oil filter.
Good question.I didnt drain the oil with a Frantz. I changed the Frantz every 2.000 miles and added a new quart of oil in the 60s.In those days the oil got better with use. The impurities ended up in the Frantz and stuck to hot engine parts. Multi grades were even worse. Then you had the polymers breaking down.
Im not saying no engines need a full flow filter.Im saying mine dont need a full flow filter. Bypass filters clean 100 percent of the oil not 10 percent of the oil. If I start getting large abrasives on top of the toilet paper the car will go to the auction.putting the full full flow filter back on wont help. The Pontiac shows no signs of debris at 210.000 miles. I can see 40 micron debris. A few now and then wont worry me. Everything will show up on top of the toilet paper. Wont need to cut open the full flow filter and look for debris.
....and then those particles go "round-and-round"...... I'm thinking of that song by Ratt with those particles doing that in my engine.
That's a good song!....and then those particles go "round-and-round"...... I'm thinking of that song by Ratt with those particles doing that in my engine.
How do you know "your engine" doesn't need a full flow filter? Because the oil "looks" clean? There can still be pretty large debris in oil that looks clean. Have you seen some of the cut open filters on this site on pretty new engines that are well maintained? Some show lots of debris inside the filter can. Without the full flow filter, lots of that can go through the oiling system.
Bypass filters used without a full flow filter only clean 10% of the oil at a time. Never said they only clean 10% of the oil ... they clean 10% at a time - there's a difference in those statements. The other 90% goes through the oiling system unfiltered. So if something does get in the oil, it only has a 10% chance of getting caught the first time through. Otherwise it can go "round-and-round" like the band Ratt sings about, lol.
I cut open the full flow filter and checked the pleats. They were clean at 65.000 miles so I figured the Pontiac is in such good condition its not generating large wear metals so I will remove the full flow filter and watch what is showing up on the tp in the Australian Jackmaster Classic. The Jackmaster Classic is the easiest filter I have to oen and check for debris. I dont tolerate debris going around and around in my engines.
I gave up dirty oil and oil drains when I installed a Frantz oil cleaner on my Nearly new 64 Rambler American flat head 6. It came with a pretty much useless bypass filter. I probably changed the Frantz and added more Delo 30W than most. I got addicted to 100 percent clean oil 100 percent of the time. The Delo was beautiful when you kept it clean. It was for diesels but I didnt care. Probably the best oil we had in the full service Standard station. I figured if it was good enough for a over the road truck it was good enough for the Rambler. Couldnt use multi grade oil in a diesel. The polymers fouled the engine.Get rid of the foul full flow filter! You really have to know your equipment to do this.
One thing good about a full flow filter is on a new engine if there are metal parts from machining or sand. The full flow can take it out. Frantz and Motor Guard said dont eliminate the full flow filter until the warranty expires. Made sense to me
All the filters can do is keep the oil clean. If you dont take care of them the oil will get dirty. Then the fools wonder why the filters dont clean the oil.
I had some gasket leaks on the76 F250 with the 390. Decided to go ahead and overhaul the engine. Nothing wrong with the engine. No ridge in the cylinders. Cleaned the top of the pistons and the valves and put it back together. Cant justify insuring and licensing it. The wifes Pontiac Torrent will haul about any thing I need to haul. Removed the rear seat. That baby was heavy. Not sure how many miles the 390 has on it. Hasnt registered miles in years.
