Think we're talking about different people. Go back and re-read the thread so you can do more multiple replies to years old posts, and throw in few more responses to yourself too, lol.
Ford tractor 8N oil canister converted to TP filter
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One of my customers from 25 years ago recommended Valvoline Restore And Protect. It gets hot here in the Dallas Texas area. The Mobil 1 15W 50 racing oil served me well in the 84 Subaru. I looked up the Valvoline Restore and Protect. They have a similar racing oil. I got a couple gallons of I think 0 20 Valvoline Restore and Protect for my wifes Honda Accord at Walmart. I am a little afraid to use a heavier oil in the Accord. I dont know enough about that engine. I have a thing next to my bed that monitors my heart and sends results to the Cardiologist. They put a Watchman in my heart thats supposed to keep me from having a stroke They say my new heart valve is leaking and I am worried about 12 shiny particles on the top of the tp in the Jackmaster Classic hardly big enough to see.
If you can see the particles they are at least 40 microns in size, just seeing them now as before they were hidden in the pleats or in the bottom of the full flow filter, I think you have nothing to worry about with what you are seeing.
What does your heart tell you might happen when you use a heavier oil in the Accord?
I think the reason they are so easy to see on top of the tp is they are cleaner. They arent covered with sludge. Its funny my daughters late model Subaru calls for 0 20. My 93 Subaru Legacy calls for thicker oil in hot weather. My 79 Ford diesel tractor has a sticker on the engine. I can use 10 30 or 10 40. For extreme hot weather use 30 weight..I remember starting with a Frantz oil cleaner and Standard Delo 100 W 30. Multi Grade oil would void the warranty in a diesel. I found I can still get Chevron Delo 100 30W. Thought about using Delo 400 30W in the tractor. Put some Walmart off highway diesel 30 weight in the tractor. In the fall when it got down to freezing pulled out the dipstick. Too thick to circulate. Not winter grade. That could be dangerous. No W next to the 30.
The engine will probably last longer with 10 30 and use a little more fuel but my heart is just guessing.
Its a 2 port universal Perma Cool 189 oil cooler sandwich adapter. The old Frantz 2 port sandwich adapters were super heavy duty. If they needed a new gasket you took one out of a full flow filter. The Frantz wasnt universal. You had to have a sandwich made for your car. Most Fords needed a 3/4 16 thread adapter.
Center tube is not needed with tightly wound toilet paper. The card board core is needed.
All a toilet paper filter can do is.send a constant stream of clean oil to the oil pan. It will keep sending that stream of clean oil to the oil pan until it cant hold any more contamination. Then someone with a brain must put a new roll of toilet paper in it. Ive used toilet paper filters since 1964. A Frantz oil cleaner on a 1964 Rambler American flat head 6. My 06 Pontiac uses a Australian Jackmaster Classic with a sandwich adapter. The clean oil feeds into the inlet of the full flow filter normally.
I didnt take.the spring and washer seriously when I read about it on the Jackmaster site. Ive never had to use a spring and washer. If you are using short paper in a Jackmaster Classic with a 2 port sandwich adapter you need a spring and washer. The oil pressure is trying to get between the bottom of the tp and the core seal. I put a hose clamp on the bolt under the washer most of the filters take 4 1/2 inch tall tp. Works great now.
I had a good email with James the owner of Jackmaster a little over a year and a half ago, he never knew about using 2 port sandwich adapters, when he did come across the adapters with the ball/spring he thought they were a safety device, he did think the idea was good though, he has a machine shop where he does his r&d and thought about modifying an existing adapter and experimenting with one, but he says he was thinking of retiring and had not been in the shop in a long while. I think he did contact you to see if you had a Frantz 2 port adapter that you might be willing to part with. He lived in Texas years ago, designing automotive air conditioning systems, told me if he could go back in time he would of liked to have visited SKY corp in California and talk to John Frantz and Skipper K Yee, he started making his filters many years later after moving back to Australia.
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I always thought that the Jackmaster core seal might not have a positive seal using the small pressure differential of a two port sandwich adapter, 4 1/2" paper would be the same as 4", there is nothing in the lid that pushes down on the 4 1/2" paper, there is an air gap.
Jackmaster never made the washer/spring for two port adapters, he didn't know about there use, that seal was designed for full oil pressure, but you have indeed discovered a need for them.
Jackmaster never made the washer/spring for two port adapters, he didn't know about there use, that seal was designed for full oil pressure, but you have indeed discovered a need for them.
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Don't mess with Charlie Sims, he was ex-military, heard he could chew a guys ass out. 
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He got me good. I thought I was back in jungle training. He was a good guy. He is gone now. So is his little Gulf Coast juniors. One of his big filter customers now owns the company. Another military guy. He owns oil well service boats that supply offshore rigs in the gulf of America.Don't mess with Charlie Sims, he was ex-military, heard he could chew a guys ass out.
Sorry I walked on you. The reason the oil cooler sandwich adapters work for motor oil is if the oil cooler is clogged or too cold. The spring loaded ball allows enough oil to bypass the cooler and supply the engine with enough oil. The bypass filter is like a restricted oil cooler. I like the Australian Jackmaster Classic but it has no way to hold down a short roll of toilet paper. When oil pressure is in both lines. You want a little more pressure going in than out. The Jackmaster works with no orifice or the orifice at the outlet. To be safe I use a spring and washer to push down on the core a spacer will also work. I suspect the filters clean oil better with pressure on both hoses. The same as the old Frantz 2 port sandwichs. Kind of like using a smaller orifice.
From the looks of the tp at the top of the Jackmaster Classic it must have a good imprint
at the bottom. I will get a picture on in a few days.
From the looks of the tp at the top of the Jackmaster Classic it must have a good imprint
at the bottom. I will get a picture on in a few days
Nothing wrong with the Jackmaster Classic seal. Having a little trouble hand starting the center bolt with the spring and washer. I have some 2 inch nylon and aluminum. I will make a spacer that will hold down the tp until the oil pressure takes over. Just have to make sure the spacer doesnt restrict the flow to the top of the tp. The old Motor Guards that filtered from the bottom up could use a spacer at the bottom with the shorter paper. When I sold them tp was 4 1/2 inches.I always thought that the Jackmaster core seal might not have a positive seal using the small pressure differential of a two port sandwich adapter, 4 1/2" paper would be the same as 4", there is nothing in the lid that pushes down on the 4 1/2" paper, there is an air gap.
Jackmaster never made the washer/spring for two port adapters, he didn't know about there use, that seal was designed for full oil pressure, but you have indeed discovered a need for them.
Should be able to find a conical type spring like Jackmaster uses, that and a washer, the spring will let the center bolt engage easily. Store like Princess Auto sell a bag with all types of assorted springs fairly cheap.
