Ford tractor 8N oil canister converted to TP filter

[RalphPWood]

I made the outer tube from an old brass bathtub drain tube and cut the threaded fitting off the overflow drain. Screwed it into the brass tube. Then used a thick steel washer beveled and ground to fit into the other end and soldered it together.
The other tube end, I used a Tomato past can. Soldered on and left about 3/8" to dig into the TP to help seal the top end of the roll.

Designing a functional central tube arrangement was the hardest part of this job.
Simple tin snips was able to cut the strainer to the right diameter.


What I found amazing, the old rubber washer was like new in the canister. The screen goes in first, then the rubber washer and the outer tube's bottom end seals the incoming oil flow. Oil flows in at the bottom center, moves up the tube and flows out over the top of the TP roll, then oil must flow thru the TP roll to exit thru the strainer bottom and is collected at the canister drain, from where I plan to put it into the valve cover of the truck.

I took just a few unwraps of the TP roll to be enabled to force it into the canister.

Sounds too complicated for me I did a flat head Ford V8 canister filter for my Ford diesel tractor. The Ford wont run unless you run a Ford filter.

 

[53' Stude]

Anyone who keeps quoting himself all the time for 5 pages in one thread might need help.

He’s still quoting himself I. This thread. I’m no longer following this thread. It’s turned into a joke.

 

[RalphPWood]

OK, mine had a 3/4-16 spin on adapter for the two hoses that fit in place of the spin on filter, must have came with it? What would that have properly worked on back then? I don't know why I even bother to ask, I could care less at this point.

Take care of your Frantz and it will take care of your oil. Neglect your Frantz and it will let your oil get dirty.

 

[RalphPWood]

How would the guy know if he never tore down the engine to verify. Engines will "still run good" with pretty worn out parts ... seen it many times. Guess if the owner thinks the engine "still runs good", then doesn't really matter how worn out it might be, lol.

The boss knew the condition of the engine by what was showing up on top of the tp in the Frantz. Its not rocket science. I suspect I will see less wear metal in the Australian Jackmaster Classic because the Pontiac is cleaner running and isnt pulling a dragster all over thd US.

 

[RalphPWood]

The boss knew the condition of the engine by what was showing up on top of the tp in the Frantz. Its not rocket science. I suspect I will see less wear metal in the Australian Jackmaster Classic because the Pontiac is cleaner running and isnt pulling a dragster all over the US.

 

[RalphPWood]

The Mustang dragster had a Chevy engine a Chrysler Torque Flite transmission. He could probably rebuild both of them with his eyes closed. He used a good automotive machine shop.

 

[RalphPWood]

Yes it does if it's not filtered. If you can't grasp that concept then don't know what your filtering logic is. What do you think is going on when only 10% of the oil going through the engine is filtered at a time by just using a bypass filter without also a full flow filter? Where do you think anything that doesn't happen to go through the bypass filter goes? And anything that's not filtered if large in size can get smashed up into smaller particles if left unfiltered, and then those particles go "round-and-round" unfiltered through the engine. Running only a bypass filter without a full flow filter is not ideal and leaves room for unfiltered oil to go through the oiling system ... any maker of modern day bypass oil filtering systems will say that. 70 years ago, they thought it was a "good idea", but not these days even if you think engines are "cleaner" and don't need a full flow oil filter.

You are a little slow.

 

[53' Stude]

You are a little slow.

I’d take a long hard look in a mirror before throwing rocks.

You’re constantly quoting yourself thru this and other threads. It’s kinda disturbing and disgusting.

 

[RalphPWood]

I’d take a long hard look in a mirror before throwing rocks.

You’re constantly quoting yourself thru this and other threads. It’s kinda disturbing and disgusting.

Are you looking for someone to agree with you. You are insinuating I dont understand the oil system.

 

[RalphPWood]

He’s still quoting himself I. This thread. I’m no longer following this thread. It’s turned into a joke.

You guys need someone to agree with you.

 

[RalphPWood]

You guys need someone to agree with you.

Dont leave I will leave weeds are taking over the garden.

 

[ZeeOSix]

You are insinuating I dont understand the oil system.

You're right ... you don't understand the oil system.

 

[ZeeOSix]

You are a little slow.

Really ... what would you call people who quotes themselves over and over in the same thread, and replies multiple times to the same post of someone. This thread is like reading something out of the Twilight Zone.

What's this mean? What kind of weed you talkin' about man, lol.

 

[FordFETruck]

Really ... what would you call people who quotes themselves over and over in the same thread, and replies multiple times to the same post of someone. This thread is like reading something out of the Twilight Zone.

What's this mean? What kind of weed you talkin' about man, lol.

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Doesn't opening this thread to find 5+ quotes and replies to the same two posts from the same person make your anxiety just go through the roof? that's how this has made me feel. Someone take his roll of TP filters and TP his house with it.

 

[RalphPWood]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/pbiRtCvF5JCGGLiL7

Since they discontinued the bypass filters for the old housings, I decided fooey, I will make my own TP roll filter design. I bought a 1940's 8N oil canister, and figured out how to make this function. Oil comes up the center tube, and goes out the drain at the bottom, which this earlier canister did not have, had to drill and tap for a fitting. Some later models did have the drain.

I set this up to use a great value Walmart TP roll.
The double tube design, the inner tube holds down the outer sealing tube by way of the spring in the cover.

The inner SS screen is a cut off piece from a vegetable steamer, cost me 49 cents at thrift store. It need a bottom support for the TP filter so it wont collapse.

My Ford diesel tractor has a flat head Ford V8 canister filter modified to use a 4 1/ 2 inch diameter roll of Scott 1000. Started in 1964 with a Frantz oil cleaner and Delo 100 30W. 29.95 Delo was 29 cents a quart in the discount stores. The Delo went from dirty and black to like new. I was hooked on continuous clean oil. No more allowing it to get dirty then draining it.

 

[RalphPWood]

Its tough to find room under the 2005 Ram hood. Her truck had some available space.

I have a Motor Guard on my 94 Buick Roadmaster Wagon. I ran Mobil one for at least 25,000 miles, but I think thats hard on the additive package, I did not change the filters often. The Motorguard continued to warm up, but when it got slow to warm up, I changed it. I must have over the years changed the roll 4 times in at least 10 years, and only changed the oil twice in that time. Engine still runs good, has 245,000 miles. The paint on the car is going. I had to rebuild the 4L60E, and resela the intake manifold as it was pumping oil out the back. Those have been the only mechanical failures on the car.

One thing I like about the Ford 8N, I used metal lines, better than rubber ones. Filter is well supported on the engine, so they should last. I may improve my center tube with some rubber orings. I may also make another tube to use the Scott 1000 rolls which use the 1.6 inch tube. These Walmart Great Value rolls are a lot bigger tube.
Another nice thing, I can take off the top of the canister and see the top of the paper roll. I noticed it has already relaxed downwards in the can.

The 8N canister has a slight roll in on the top edge where it meets the lid. But I was still able to stuff in a TP roll. It is a thick steel construction, and the lid is twice as thick as the canister. Very solidly built.

My Ford diesel tractor has a flat head Ford V8 canister filter converted to use Scott 1000 The canister is 4 1/2 inches ID. Dont need a tube inside the tp core with firm paper.

 

[RalphPWood]

Correction 58 years not 48, had 58 first, changed it to 48. Not meaning to slam the old cars, it was my experience with brakes on the 101 bayshore freeway going to work. Disk brakes sure helped later on. I don’t know what the gauge of steel was on the 64 Fords, but it wasn’t thin.

So the guy removed the spin-on filter and ONLY ran the Frantz filter?

If so, no wonder the bearings were badly worn. If he was only running the Frantz as a "full flow" filter, instead of a bypass filter along with a full flow spin-on filter, then the engine was probably not getting the proper oil flow to the oiling system.

Didnt say he had worn bearings. As far as I know the engine was in excellent condition at over 300.000 miles. Without the full flow filter not much was showing up in the Frantz. I didnt see anything of concern showing up in the 84 Subaru with the Frantz adapter. Probably because it always used Mobil 1 15W 50. The oil has a lot to do with what shows up in the filters. Not happy with the dozen or so particles showing up on top of the tp in the Australian Jackmaster Classic. I can probably fix it with a better motor oil. Amsoil worked on one engine. The old 86 Chevy is doing fine with 15 W 40 diesel rated Delo.

 

[kschachn]

You guys need someone to agree with you.

Actually you need to stop quoting yourself, try and understand some of the questions and comments you’re getting, think about them with a clear head, and make reasonable and learned responses. As it stands right now you’re not making sense in many of the comments you’re making.

Multiple individuals are making this same point but you’re just making the same strange responses and continuing to bizarrely quote yourself.

 

[RalphPWood]

Actually you need to stop quoting yourself, try and understand some of the questions and comments you’re getting, think about them with a clear head, and make reasonable and learned responses. As it stands right now you’re not making sense in many of the comments you’re making.

Multiple individuals are making this same point but you’re just making the same strange responses and continuing to bizarrely quote yourself.

Im getting a very small amount of.wear. putting the full flow filter back on will hide it. I probably need to find a better motor oil.

 

[jimmyjamesndt]

Im getting a very small amount of.wear. putting the full flow filter back on will hide it. I probably need to find a better motor oil.

I would try Valvoline Restore and Protect, that should really clean up the engine with your Jackmaster. I would try it myself but it is not available up here.