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Ford Introduces New Taurus-based Police Car
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I'm saying that there is no comparison between the two cars. Just like there is no comparison between the Camaro of the 90's and the Camaro of today. The only thing in common between the 90's car and today's (tomorrow's) car is the name. Therefore, it makes no sense to say that the Taurus used for police duty in the 90's is some type of measure as to what the Police Interceptor will be like.
As to the rest of your post, I really have no idea where you were going with it....
As to the rest of your post, I really have no idea where you were going with it....
I think it will be a long while in my city and county before the agencies bite on a GM police car. The Impala/Caprice units they changed over to recently have been a disaster maintenance-wise, and will ultimately have a total cost-to-use much, much higher than the previously-used Crown Vics. I'll remain pretty skeptical of the V6/FWD platform until I see it used successfully at acceptable cost.
I love how everyone is bashing a car that isn't even out yet. I haven't heard ANY problems with the new Taurus yet. Lets face it, the CVPI, as solid and reliable as it is... is OLD. It is SLOW. A current Impala SS, or heck, even a Ford Fusion/Toyota camry/Honda accord V6 could outrun a Crown vic. It's crash test scores pale in comparison to even a Ford Fusion. It's time for a new car. If we stuck with the "don't fix what ain't broke" we would still be driving carbeurated, RWD, steel body, cassette deck, hydraulicly controlled automatic, no cruise control..... None of that. We would still be using Ford Trimotor, and Douglas DC3 instead of the jets we have today. I hate to quote toyota here, but we need to "Move forward".
The new Ford PI will, I bet knock the CVPI out of the ring. Acceleration will decimate it, it will get much better fuel economy, and I will bet a days wages that the FWDAWD Transaxle/Transmission will be just as durable as the transmission in the crown vic. We know by now that the 3.5L Duratec is reliable, it's been out for several years. The Ecoboost has yet to prove itself, but I have no doubt that it too, will prove reliable in the long term.
The new Ford PI will, I bet knock the CVPI out of the ring. Acceleration will decimate it, it will get much better fuel economy, and I will bet a days wages that the FWDAWD Transaxle/Transmission will be just as durable as the transmission in the crown vic. We know by now that the 3.5L Duratec is reliable, it's been out for several years. The Ecoboost has yet to prove itself, but I have no doubt that it too, will prove reliable in the long term.
I will say the Crown Victoria is a great car that can take a beating. I have had to run Code 3 to a call that was normally about 30 minutes away running routine traffic. Running Code 3, I had the A/C on. When I get to the call I leave the car running. Clear the call, get in the car and it has already cooled itself off, ready to roll. Not too many cars I can think of that can take this kind of abuse. I bet my personal car would already have transmission problems driving like that for that length of time. My Crown Vic is an 06 with 85,000 miles on it and still runs great. We have some 08 Impalas in our fleet that are already giving us lots of problems. I can promise you that we would not be getting turbo Tauruses, and I don't think we want any more FWD cars either. We are testing out some Chargers right now, but the Caprice might look promising for us in the future. I hope the Chargers and Caprices hold up as well as the Crown Vics do.
Originally Posted By: Ryan
I will say the Crown Victoria is a great car that can take a beating. I have had to run Code 3 to a call that was normally about 30 minutes away running routine traffic. Running Code 3, I had the A/C on. When I get to the call I leave the car running. Clear the call, get in the car and it has already cooled itself off, ready to roll. Not too many cars I can think of that can take this kind of abuse. I bet my personal car would already have transmission problems driving like that for that length of time. My Crown Vic is an 06 with 85,000 miles on it and still runs great. We have some 08 Impalas in our fleet that are already giving us lots of problems. I can promise you that we would not be getting turbo Tauruses, and I don't think we want any more FWD cars either. We are testing out some Chargers right now, but the Caprice might look promising for us in the future. I hope the Chargers and Caprices hold up as well as the Crown Vics do.
The chargers don't They hit 20,000 miles and then are in the shop a LOT. School busses, big trucks all use turbochargers... And they last for hundreds of thousands of miles. Why would the one in the Taurus be any different?
I will say the Crown Victoria is a great car that can take a beating. I have had to run Code 3 to a call that was normally about 30 minutes away running routine traffic. Running Code 3, I had the A/C on. When I get to the call I leave the car running. Clear the call, get in the car and it has already cooled itself off, ready to roll. Not too many cars I can think of that can take this kind of abuse. I bet my personal car would already have transmission problems driving like that for that length of time. My Crown Vic is an 06 with 85,000 miles on it and still runs great. We have some 08 Impalas in our fleet that are already giving us lots of problems. I can promise you that we would not be getting turbo Tauruses, and I don't think we want any more FWD cars either. We are testing out some Chargers right now, but the Caprice might look promising for us in the future. I hope the Chargers and Caprices hold up as well as the Crown Vics do.
The chargers don't They hit 20,000 miles and then are in the shop a LOT. School busses, big trucks all use turbochargers... And they last for hundreds of thousands of miles. Why would the one in the Taurus be any different?
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
I love how everyone is bashing a car that isn't even out yet....
Yeah, that's almost as bad as singing the praises of an unproven product that isn't even out yet.
Pretty naive to assume that all change brings about improvement...and that goes for the non-automotive environment also...if you know what I mean.
I love how everyone is bashing a car that isn't even out yet....
Yeah, that's almost as bad as singing the praises of an unproven product that isn't even out yet.
Pretty naive to assume that all change brings about improvement...and that goes for the non-automotive environment also...if you know what I mean.
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
...School busses, big trucks all use turbochargers... And they last for hundreds of thousands of miles. Why would the one in the Taurus be any different?
Maybe, just maybe....the turbo unit in the Taurus won't be quite as heavy duty as those in a bus or big truck?
...School busses, big trucks all use turbochargers... And they last for hundreds of thousands of miles. Why would the one in the Taurus be any different?
Maybe, just maybe....the turbo unit in the Taurus won't be quite as heavy duty as those in a bus or big truck?
How the new offerings fare while doing a pit manuver will be the key.
Crown Vic has the heaft; we'll have to wait and see if they new stuff works as well.
Crown Vic has the heaft; we'll have to wait and see if they new stuff works as well.
I think that what will be most missed of the crown vics is the mass. Yeah, these new cars are faster, more effecient, cheaper to maintain (hopefully - though I doubt it), and better looking. But are they as tough? I mean, those old crown vics, all 4000lbs + of them were tanks. They could take out pick ups, big SUVs, win demolition derbys and still finish a patrol.
Originally Posted By: dwendt44
How the new offerings fare while doing a pit manuver will be the key.
Crown Vic has the heaft; we'll have to wait and see if they new stuff works as well.
That's the thing, with traffic on the road and radios, a CV can catch up to just about whatever is running away just as good as anything else. It's the PIT that's going to stop the chase. I have no personal experience with this, but given the choice I think I'd rather use the PIT with a CV than any FWD unibody car.
How the new offerings fare while doing a pit manuver will be the key.
Crown Vic has the heaft; we'll have to wait and see if they new stuff works as well.
That's the thing, with traffic on the road and radios, a CV can catch up to just about whatever is running away just as good as anything else. It's the PIT that's going to stop the chase. I have no personal experience with this, but given the choice I think I'd rather use the PIT with a CV than any FWD unibody car.
Obviously the R&D at Ford's Don't ask, Don't tell division is starting to pay off.
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: Johnny
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Then how are we going to progress as a society?
Consumers need to support continuous improvement if they want to see better products in the future.
I have to agree with the improvement vs the status quo......
I must admit there is going to be a lot of doubt till it proves itself as not being high maintenance, and is able to do what has been mentioned. With all wheel drive that will give them awesome pursuit abilities.
Originally Posted By: Johnny
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Then how are we going to progress as a society?
Consumers need to support continuous improvement if they want to see better products in the future.
I have to agree with the improvement vs the status quo......
I must admit there is going to be a lot of doubt till it proves itself as not being high maintenance, and is able to do what has been mentioned. With all wheel drive that will give them awesome pursuit abilities.
I cant see how this car will be as good as the CVPI within the big picture. A good PI is more than just a high power to weight ratio and slalom numbers, the Vic is probably in the lower 50% of cars on the road in these categories and that does not make it a bad PI. The full frame will probably be missed the most. The ability to absorb punishment for years, be easy and ecomomical to fix just wont be there on a unibody. Turbo chargers have no place on a PI, sure they are a performance marvel on paper, the added complexity and complication of maintenance will be a disaster in reality.
The new PIs may perform adequately or even quite well but I am betting they will be money pits with a lot of downtime for any fleet that adopts them.
The new PIs may perform adequately or even quite well but I am betting they will be money pits with a lot of downtime for any fleet that adopts them.
Time will tell.
Originally Posted By: Duffman77
I cant see how this car will be as good as the CVPI within the big picture. A good PI is more than just a high power to weight ratio and slalom numbers, the Vic is probably in the lower 50% of cars on the road in these categories and that does not make it a bad PI. The full frame will probably be missed the most. The ability to absorb punishment for years, be easy and ecomomical to fix just wont be there on a unibody. Turbo chargers have no place on a PI, sure they are a performance marvel on paper, the added complexity and complication of maintenance will be a disaster in reality.
The new PIs may perform adequately or even quite well but I am betting they will be money pits with a lot of downtime for any fleet that adopts them.
Originally Posted By: Duffman77
I cant see how this car will be as good as the CVPI within the big picture. A good PI is more than just a high power to weight ratio and slalom numbers, the Vic is probably in the lower 50% of cars on the road in these categories and that does not make it a bad PI. The full frame will probably be missed the most. The ability to absorb punishment for years, be easy and ecomomical to fix just wont be there on a unibody. Turbo chargers have no place on a PI, sure they are a performance marvel on paper, the added complexity and complication of maintenance will be a disaster in reality.
The new PIs may perform adequately or even quite well but I am betting they will be money pits with a lot of downtime for any fleet that adopts them.
Everyone seems to believe that the superchargers are GOING to explode, they are GOING to fail there is NO WAY they will be able to stand up to this. From what I understand, police work involves alot of idling, and alot of WOT runs. I can't see any reason why these engines cannot take it.
I cant see how this car will be as good as the CVPI within the big picture. A good PI is more than just a high power to weight ratio and slalom numbers, the Vic is probably in the lower 50% of cars on the road in these categories and that does not make it a bad PI. The full frame will probably be missed the most. The ability to absorb punishment for years, be easy and ecomomical to fix just wont be there on a unibody. Turbo chargers have no place on a PI, sure they are a performance marvel on paper, the added complexity and complication of maintenance will be a disaster in reality.
The new PIs may perform adequately or even quite well but I am betting they will be money pits with a lot of downtime for any fleet that adopts them.
Originally Posted By: Duffman77
I cant see how this car will be as good as the CVPI within the big picture. A good PI is more than just a high power to weight ratio and slalom numbers, the Vic is probably in the lower 50% of cars on the road in these categories and that does not make it a bad PI. The full frame will probably be missed the most. The ability to absorb punishment for years, be easy and ecomomical to fix just wont be there on a unibody. Turbo chargers have no place on a PI, sure they are a performance marvel on paper, the added complexity and complication of maintenance will be a disaster in reality.
The new PIs may perform adequately or even quite well but I am betting they will be money pits with a lot of downtime for any fleet that adopts them.
Everyone seems to believe that the superchargers are GOING to explode, they are GOING to fail there is NO WAY they will be able to stand up to this. From what I understand, police work involves alot of idling, and alot of WOT runs. I can't see any reason why these engines cannot take it.
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Everyone seems to believe that the superchargers are GOING to explode, they are GOING to fail there is NO WAY they will be able to stand up to this. From what I understand, police work involves alot of idling, and alot of WOT runs. I can't see any reason why these engines cannot take it.
In reality the 4.6 is a bit of a dog given its displacement but that is really why it is so robust, it keeps its componets stress levels in a reasonable level that promotes longevity. Turbo engines being high performance beasts tend to require quality fuels and lubricants as well as a more rigorous maintenance schedule. Are the fleet maintainers going to run the proper fluids. What will the effects be if the intervals are run out well past their guidleines. The 4.6 never really had rigourus demands on its oil and had a generous cooling system so it could stand up to it.
Most civil servants dont give a sh*t about their equipment and emergency response always takes precidence over equipment too. I havnt looked at the specs on the new engine but if Ford was smart they put at least a 10L sump on this thing and looked at ways of keeping those turbos cool for sustained use. This thing better have a hefty automatic too.
Everyone seems to believe that the superchargers are GOING to explode, they are GOING to fail there is NO WAY they will be able to stand up to this. From what I understand, police work involves alot of idling, and alot of WOT runs. I can't see any reason why these engines cannot take it.
In reality the 4.6 is a bit of a dog given its displacement but that is really why it is so robust, it keeps its componets stress levels in a reasonable level that promotes longevity. Turbo engines being high performance beasts tend to require quality fuels and lubricants as well as a more rigorous maintenance schedule. Are the fleet maintainers going to run the proper fluids. What will the effects be if the intervals are run out well past their guidleines. The 4.6 never really had rigourus demands on its oil and had a generous cooling system so it could stand up to it.
Most civil servants dont give a sh*t about their equipment and emergency response always takes precidence over equipment too. I havnt looked at the specs on the new engine but if Ford was smart they put at least a 10L sump on this thing and looked at ways of keeping those turbos cool for sustained use. This thing better have a hefty automatic too.
Running sytnhetic lubes in the drive train might be a way to keep things more reliable? Anybody know if synthetics are required on the Taurus drive train?
I don't think they are legally allowed to "require" it unless they provide it for you or pay you for it, or something like that.
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